2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

pikachudidnothingwrong said:
It doesn't even look like a HE was involved at all to tell the truth. The images that are finally coming out are almost 100% fire damage. The cars at the center aren't even fucked up beyond burning.
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Did the bomb explode in air? That could explain the lack of damage on the ground. Some explosives can cause significant casualties from pressure deltas alone - fuel/air explosives can literally rip people's lungs out. Shrapnel could also deal heavy damage. The destruction looks more extensive than most Hamas rockets could be expected to inflict, the Grads seen in the video a few pages ago would probably wreck 4-5 of those cars as opposed to an entire parking lot. There's still too much fog of war to say anything for sure.
 
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Vaclav said:
Did the bomb explode in air? That could explain the lack of damage on the ground. Some explosives can cause significant casualties from pressure deltas alone - fuel/air explosives can literally rip people's lungs out. Shrapnel could also deal heavy damage. The destruction looks more extensive than most Hamas rockets could be expected to inflict, the Grads seen in the video a few pages ago would probably wreck 4-5 of those cars as opposed to an entire parking lot. There's still too much fog of war to say anything for sure.
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The explosion was on the ground. There are no 500 deaths it was all horseshit.
 
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Yeah I was leaning towards JDAM/bomb with the night footage, but these day shots really don't look like a bomb strike. I feel like those cars would've been more effected if it was a bomb, and even a 500lb JDAM wouldn't kill 500+ people unless it collapsed a building, which is what I thought happened.

I don't fucking know, I'm going back to my original train of thought and blaming Islam.
 
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Does this look like it was done by a Mk82, 155, or a shitty homemade rocket?
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Saudi Arabia has issued a statement condemning Israel in the Hospital Bombing. Even if proved it wasn't Israel, SA is not the type of country to revoke a statement either. Having SA against Israel on this issue is...huge.

Information good and bad is simply traveling too fast for proper analysis and statements and positions are being taken on incomplete information. We do not know what is the good or bad information and yet positions have been struck. In such a hostile data environment, the goal is to saturate media with your position because most persons will hold onto their original assessment and will be very hard to have their minds changed.

Even if the IDF or Hamas came up with "conclusive proof" of the other's lies, it now is not relevant as far as their audience is concerned.

Israel has lost the PR Battle, and a war is lost or won before the troops ever hit the ground. They will no doubt defeat Hamas, but that is just a battle. The War for their legitimacy has been lost in the Middle East entirely, and it won't matter what we hear on our radios in the West, it only matters what the Middle East decides locally.

And the Middle East has decided Israel did it, they are monsters, and they're animals committing war crimes. It is not possible for the West to come out of this unscathed, because regardless of the position taken by the West or Europe there is no right position to take, only degrees of wrong positions.

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pikachudidnothingwrong said:
It doesn't even look like a high explosive was involved at all to tell the truth. The images that are finally coming out are almost 100% fire damage. The cars at the center aren't even fucked up beyond burning.

Whom ever or how ever or what ever hit it.... No way it killed 500+ people! I mean maybe if they were packed in at literal ground zero at crush crowd levels but even that I find hard to believe given the damage. I could be wrong I guess.. it probably depends on what hit it.
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It's the Pali's version of 40 beheaded babies. There weren't any strikes around hospitals yet I would assume. Now that there was they wen't full on propaganda mode. Doesn't matter if it's true after all. It riled up the Arab/Muslim world. No one is going to ask for proof when he's anti-Israel leaning anyway.
 
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With the new photos, yeah it looks like "just" a fire. There is no way any significant amount of explosives was involved there. So either rocket fuel burning or some hamas filling your car with gasoline accident.

MadStan said:
Israel has lost the PR Battle, and a war is lost or won before the troops ever hit the ground. They will no doubt defeat Hamas, but that is just a battle. The War for their legitimacy has been lost in the Middle East entirely, and it won't matter what we hear on our radios in the West, it only matters what the Middle East decides locally.
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Muslim have and always will hate jews. Nothing will change that, so for Israel it is a waste of time to expect any legitimacy from them. The only way they survive there is by force and for that they need western support. So as long as Israel can keep their image clean enough to maintain western support it is not a problem. And the PR battle in the west was lost by Hamas especially since the religion of peace is currently very active again in Europe.
 
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I've watched the gore videos, there's a couple of semi intact corpses and then a entire field of burned human flesh and gore and a parking lot burning.
It's hilarious that now the cope on this thread is to claim 500 didn't die because it the car park doesn't look destroyed enough, I guess you're all explosive experts who know what a 500 lb(which 183lb are the actual TNT)bomb does to a human body or a parking lot.
A standard Mk 82 bomb body produces a lethal area of approximately 80 m (across) by 30 m (along), giving a lethal area of approximately 2,400 m2.
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Sounds consistent with the size of a car park in a hospital, probably crawling with civilians and ambulances going in and out constantly.
 
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im5!XxhO said:
With the new photos, yeah it looks like "just" a fire. There is no way any significant amount of explosives was involved there. So either rocket fuel burning or some hamas filling your car with gasoline accident.


Muslim have and always will hate jews. Nothing will change that, so for Israel it is a waste of time to expect any legitimacy from them. The only way they survive there is by force and for that they need western support. So as long as Israel can keep their image clean enough to maintain western support it is not a problem. And the PR battle in the west was lost by Hamas especially since the religion of peace is currently very active again in Europe.
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You are of course right about Muslims and Jews.

Coexistence is a substance of the 21st century. I can go to any country and find hate in spades for other groups of color or religion or political ideology. Iran hates SA more than the Jews - yet both countries are muslim.

My point on the PR battle in the Middle East is that up and until Hamas attacked, it was going Israel's way regionally mildly so, but the means by which Israel responded has been seen regionally as brutal and without merit. Ergo, the support they were hoping for from SA and SA's role in the region has been squandered, and this regionally (not internationally) carries huge weight as to what now happens in the greater Muslim world towards Israel and ergo any country that supports Israel.

We can think what we like here, but over there Hamas and Iran are concerned with how their regional partners, allies and enemies think, and this war has changed that, to Hamas's favor.
 
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MadStan said:
but the means by which Israel responded has been seen regionally as brutal and without merit
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Would any response by Israel other than a mild condemnation been seen regionally as justified? The region hates Israel more than they hate Palestinians, they would protest if Israel did anything militarily.
 
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MadStan said:
We can think what we like here, but over there Hamas and Iran are concerned with how their regional partners, allies and enemies think, and this war has changed that, to Hamas's favor.
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They killed a lot of jews, that makes you popular in the middle east. It's not that I disagree with your point though, a coup against the IDF made hamas more popular in the middle east.
In my view Israel at best can hope for a "we have a common enemy" arrengement with the arab countries. They will never be allies. They will never coexist in anything better than a begrudgingly accepted cease fire or economic deal that can blow up at any time. So trying to appease them is a waste of time. And if the massacres cause a 10-15% shift towards Israel and against Palestine in key western countries, that is improving Israels longterm position. It will be a fight for surival, but that's the price of settling in the "holy land" surrounded by people that want to wipe you out.

I except the 21st century to be a lot more bloody than many might have expected.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:

Interesting Twitter thread talking about the 500 people claim and the actual damage done.
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Is there any third party app or something to use to read Twitter/X comments now if you dont have an account?

I cant scroll at all, just see the main tweets.

TheBigZee said:
Israel did strike the hospital compound on saturday. Prior to that there were about 5,000 people in the courtyard.

No deaths, four injuries on saturday.
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What, that makese no sense? 5000 people, even a katyusha rocket would hurt more people. Whats that even supposed to mean? Whats the source? Or ist his just hyperbole on the general level of disinformation?
 
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