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US pedestrian deaths are soaring. Is it time to ban right turns on red lights?​

Nearly fifty years after the federal government pushed for looser rules, cities across the country are considering a change

Matthew Cantor in Los Angeles

@CantorMatthew
Tue 17 Oct 2023 13.00 BST

For the past 50 years, red-blooded Americans have enjoyed a freedom the Founding Fathers hardly dreamed of: the ability to turn right on a red light. But with pedestrian fatalities at a four-decade high, a movement is afoot to change that.

This month, San Francisco supervisors unanimously voiced support for a ban on right-on-red. Last year, the practice was banned in Cambridge, Massachusetts. New York has long barred it, Denver could soon, and Washington DC has taken steps toward a ban. Seattle, meanwhile, has made no-right-on-red the city’s “default” policy at new traffic signals. A growing media chorus agrees it’s time for change.


The shift comes as pedestrian deaths in the US soar to their highest levels since 1981. Last year, at least 7,508 people were killed while walking, according to a report by the non-profit Governors Highway Safety Association, which also found a 77% increase in fatalities between 2010 and 2021.

There are many possible reasons for this, including the popularity of SUVs, more people walking in suburbs built for cars, and reckless driving that worsened during Covid. Banning right turns on red lights certainly wouldn’t eliminate all pedestrian deaths – but it could help, advocates say.

“The key to safe streets is predictability – me knowing what you’re going to do and you knowing what I’m going to do and therefore we navigate the space together,” says John Yi, executive director of Los Angeles Walks, a pedestrian advocacy non-profit in a city known for its car culture. A ban on right-on-red, he says, “creates more predictability”.

People for Bikes, a national organization aimed at getting more people cycling, includes a call for a ban in its model legislation. “Intersections are a really important part of improving road safety. It’s where we tend to see the most conflicts between people biking and people driving,” says Martina Haggerty, the organization’s senior director of local innovation.

Turning right on red was only legal in a few states until the 1970s, when the federal government, facing an oil crisis, told states to allow it – or lose their energy funding. The idea was that cars would use less fuel if they avoided sitting at red lights. That law remains in place, despite research from 1984 showing that at intersections allowing right-on-red, crashes jump 23%, pedestrian crashes increase by 60%, and cyclist crashes double.

Perhaps this was partially related to uncertainty over new laws – but a study last year raises similar concerns. When University of Toronto researchers equipped drivers with glasses that tracked their eye movements, they found that drivers generally kept a close eye on pedestrians – but their attention was “heavily skewed” toward the left at intersections, as they looked for a gap in traffic so they could turn right. (Canada, like the US, generally allows right-on-red.)

“Attention is a limited resource,” says Birsen Donmez, an author of the study. When drivers are focused on finding a gap, they have less capacity to track pedestrians trying to cross in front of them.

Donmez, who has lived in the US and Canada, says she would support banning right turns on red lights – in fact, she says, the best-case scenario would be “fully protected” turns, in which pedestrian and vehicle crossings are entirely isolated from each other.

But supporters of a ban acknowledge the barriers to change, especially at a federal level. “There’s a car-centric culture in parts of the US,” she says. “If your main form of transportation is with a car and you don’t get the chance to walk because it’s not walkable, I can see why people say: ‘This is going to hurt me and I don’t see the value.’”

Yi, the pedestrian advocate, agrees. “I’m a driver myself, and oftentimes, we are in streets that are incredibly busy, traffic congested, and many see a right turn on red as a means of getting home faster,” he says. Especially in Los Angeles, anything that would slow traffic “causes anxiety”.

And some engineers still see fuel savings and a reduction in air pollution as perks in favor of turning right on red. But Haggerty, of People for Bikes, argues “the benefit of saving lives far outweighs the fuel savings here, especially as we push to reduce vehicle miles travelled and switch to more fuel efficient cars and EVs”.

What’s more, when it comes to eco-friendly cycling, “infrastructure tends to be the biggest barrier to participation because of the very real fear of personal safety when riding a bike,” she notes. “And so to create a more bike-friendly environment for people, we really have to improve road safety everywhere.”

Donmez says when we allow right turns on red, “we are putting the drivers in a situation where they’re gonna fail for sure. Not all the time, right? It’s rare these things happen,” she notes. “But at the same time, we’re looking at millions of interactions, and crashes do happen, and people die. Even a single person’s life being lost due to this – that’s unacceptable.”

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At least one idiot a year gets hit in Pittsburgh because Fifth Ave is one direction only, except for busses, and stupid kids can't be bothered to look both ways. There are some roads near Pitt that you could not pay me to drive anywhere near, because pedestrians are dumb. Noise cancelling headphones have only made the situation worse.
 
Noise cancelling headphones have only made the situation worse
That reminds me... just recently with the cool weather I've noticed a bunch of kids walking the streets with their hoodies up and giant headphones over the hoodie, locking it in place to completely eliminate any peripheral vision as well as deafening them to all environmental noise (engines, honking, yelling, screaming etc) - There's no way to save people who are unconcerned with their surroundings and personal safety
 
There are many possible reasons for this, including the popularity of SUVs, more people walking in suburbs built for cars, and reckless driving that worsened during Covid. Banning right turns on red lights certainly wouldn’t eliminate all pedestrian deaths – but it could help, advocates say.
Oh yes. It's all the drivers' fault. Not at all the sheer number of assholes who walk across the street at somewhere that's not a crosswalk. Not the assholes who will try to cross a busy four lane and stop so you can pass them, stop in the DEAD CENTER of 2 lanes. No no, obviously they're all traffic obeying people who just get hit by drunk Mexicans at the wheel.
 
Considering the number of people I see not even bothering to use a crosswalk, even when there's one within sight, I'm gonna say yes.
I used to jaywalk. It works if you're actually aware of your surroundings and don't be an asshole. The cars have right of way. I observed that rule even in crosswalks, because unless I made direct eye contact with the driver, the assumption was that they didn't know I was there. What always freaked me out was people in black jackets walking down the middle of the road at night, when there were sidewalks available, right there. Crowd surfing through tourists to get to work ontime with spotty bus service is an art. Being an idiot wearing all black in a neighborhood with no streetlights is a suicide wish.
 
Drivers? Always be on the lookout. I understand the mad urge to run down some oblivious fuckstick moron who simply strides across an intersection without looking (brown people seem to do this a lot), but these retards aren't worth the jail time. Pedestrians? Get your heads out of your asses. A vehicle can demolish you with ease without even having to go very fast. Cyclists are some of the worst offenders, too.
 
A large part of it is both pedestrians and drivers being on their phones and inattentive.

I was almost hit once by a truck on a right on red turn. But I was paying attention and avoided getting hit. I’ve always been super cautious and paranoid as a driver or a pedestrian. Another time I avoided hitting a skateboarder who was going the opposite of traffic and was wearing all dark clothing. If I wasn’t super attentive I would’ve killed the kid.
 
Ban this, ban that, for fuck's sake, can we just accept some people are retards that will get others and themselves killed ?

It's like when America banned Kinder Eggs because parents are retards who can't keep an eye on their children for one sec to prevent the three year old dummies from eating the toy. Because of that, no one gets to enjoy those anymore.
 
It's like when America banned Kinder Eggs because parents are retards who can't keep an eye on their children for one sec to prevent the three year old dummies from eating the toy. Because of that, no one gets to enjoy those anymore.
Kinder Eggs are back actually but they made them retard proof in the US
 
“Attention is a limited resource,” says Birsen Donmez, an author of the study. When drivers are focused on finding a gap, they have less capacity to track pedestrians trying to cross in front of them.

Donmez, who has lived in the US and Canada
Another fucking foreigner trying to force me into their bugman schemes. Fuck off you mud people.
 
it sounds like a fucking nightmare because every fucking city/county/state can somehow have it's own opinion about what is legal and illegal, from traffic laws
Let me introduce you to the Michigan Left. It's like someone saw the emergency crossovers on the highway and said, I could make that an intersection. I don't understand how big tucks get around the cities with these.
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>pedestrian deaths
I dunno about anyone else, but I noticed during and after the pandemic there were a lot more people driving way to fast on non-highway streets compared to previously, which combined with previous levels of distracted pedestrians would be a recipe for more deaths.

Bumping someone at 5-10 mph in a crosswalk ain't it unless they're 98...or unless the driver isn't stopping to turn in the first place in which case banning isn't going to stop those incidents.
 
I dunno about anyone else, but I noticed during and after the pandemic there were a lot more people driving way to fast on non-highway streets compared to previously, which combined with previous levels of distracted pedestrians would be a recipe for more deaths.
Traffic deaths per vehicle mile were up 20% in 2020. The neighbor cattle can't drive like normal people when there isn't traffic holding them back.
 
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