Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Nopenopenope said:
If it's true that a bunch of helicopters and other expensive shit has been destroyed by covertly US supplied missiles, seems like a pretty clear escalation? Is Russia holding back on using any equivalent/better missiles (not including nuclear)?

Also, at what point does Putin just say fuck the SMO, this is a war and fully mobilise?
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Hey look at that, what's this called, its not deja vu but something similar? I just posted the same thoughts just a bit longer.
And yeah, Im actually getting a bit worried at this point.
 
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Nopenopenope said:
If it's true that a bunch of helicopters and other expensive shit has been destroyed by covertly US supplied missiles, seems like a pretty clear escalation? Is Russia holding back on using any equivalent/better missiles (not including nuclear)?

Also, at what point does Putin just say fuck the SMO, this is a war and fully mobilise?
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"If its true" is the point here. So far, any losses caused inside russia were superficial at most. In echange they pretty much exhausted stocks of ALL european NATO members. Who wins there?
 
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Nopenopenope said:
If it's true that a bunch of helicopters and other expensive shit has been destroyed by covertly US supplied missiles, seems like a pretty clear escalation?
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Its not really an escalation. The Ukrainians could have done a similar attack with any number of other weapons systems they already have. The entire attack was more of a publicity stunt than a meaningful military operation.
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There are some reports now that the Ukrainians used the attack on the airfield as cover to launch yet another attack from Robotyne toward Verbove. The report is that in the absence of the helicopters they did a mass vehicle charge in the direction of Verbove and some of them may have reached the edge of the Verbove this time. The situation is still unclear though. Alot of Ukrainian vehicles heading toward Verbove got destroyed and some of them got destroyed really close in to it.

So it was maybe the use of the missiles was a more serious military operation than it seemed.
 
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prolapsed_cranium said:
Kamrov claimed they could deliver 30 this year. The total fleet prior to the war was about 150+
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Kamov might be able to get 30 out the door in a calendar year. We'll see.

As for the entire fleet, as of yesterday Russia has verifiably lost 40 Ka-52s and had a fleet in Feb 2022 of about 120 helicopters.

Russian has taken delivery of more Ka-52s but not dozens.

So they've lost about 1/3 of the prewar fleet.
 
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Falcos_Commisar said:
Kamov might be able to get 30 out the door in a calendar year. We'll see.

As for the entire fleet, as of yesterday Russia has verifiably lost 40 Ka-52s and had a fleet in Feb 2022 of about 120 helicopters.

Russian has taken delivery of more Ka-52s but not dozens.

So they've lost about 1/3 of the prewar fleet.
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better then Ukraine's 333/1 of their prewar fleet
 

Arrival of FAB-1500 from UMPC to the warehouse of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the right bank of the Dnieper. Link


Compilation of recent rekt AFU vehicles: T-72s, BMPs, BM-21 Grad, RM-70 Vampire, two Caesars, one Krab, M777 and one M109 from various sources, mostly Sudaplatov and BOBR FPV operators on TG but a few others as well.
 
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VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
NOT cope cages!! Definitely not in any way!!

Honestly it will be interesting to see if that helps the M113 be even marginally more survivable, that thing is a tin can
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Almost certainly not.
The cages provide a substantial increase in standoff distance. That won't do much against EFP warheads, but that was, in all likelihood, never the purpose.
Defeating lighter shaped charges, as you'd find on a drone or DPICM, is a different story.
They offer much greater penetration, but that effect decreases faster with standoff relative to the charge diameter.

Slat armor doesn't provide a large enough standoff increase to work that way, but it does offer protection against specific types of warheads.
Most importantly, it works against the most widely available, the RPG-7.

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The warhead may get stuck inbetween the slats, or the outer cone gets deformed and crushed into the inner cone, creating a short circuit.
I think most versions have a self-destruct, so the warhead will detonate either way, but by that time, the liner itself will be deformed.

tl;dr: Good enough if you're fighting insurgents with 50 year old soviet surplus weapons.
Against anything other than PIBD fuzes, slat armor won't help.

Sebastian Bacchanalia said:
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/...unted-side-anti-cumulative-grids-on-the-m113/
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On that note, this article gets just about everything wrong about how and why shaped charges and slat armor are supposed to work.
The blast wave dissipating outside the armor has zero impact on the damage done by the shaped charge jet on the inside.

Once again, "experts" speaking with the utmost self-confidence, but without doing the most basic research....
 
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There has been an interesting development in the world of FPVSD's. A Russian design group has created an "X-wing" FPV drone.
Samuel Bendett posts regarding the drone (his thread on Russian FPV Development is a great read)
A Pro-Russian combat footage and commentary account on X claims that the drone is capable of carrying the K3-6 shaped charge that is used in Lancet Drones and that it has a top speed of 20 m/s, has lost the ability to hover, has a range of 10-15km max and probably comes at a price point of less that $1k.
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VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
"Russia is weak and useless and militarily can't even handle fighting a backwater shithole!!"
"Russia wants to turn the UN into a de facto world government and basically control the whole world"

:story:
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The enemy is pathetic and cowardly yet the greatest threat ever faced at the same time 😂

I'm guessing that Z-Man is pissed that he's no longer the crowd favorite.
 
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Kane Lives said:
Not those that were the site of furious fighting during the counter-offensyiv, though. Rabotino was allegedly levelled to the last house, and is now just a ruined town at this point.
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Oh true,but the depot hits usually worked much well than Israel's Gaza bombaroo. How come drunk ivan vatnik ziggers can aim better than greatest IDF ally?
 
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There was a special announcement from the spokestranny today. He has been removed from the territorial forces and from a uniformed military role. The spoketranny claims to have been assigned to a new vague role of working on international "humanitarian issues" outside the territorial forces where he will not wear a uniform. He is trying hard to present this reassignment as him being assigned to the general staff. But it seems clear that Ukraine no longer wants him wearing the uniform and talking as if he is the public face of their military.

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