2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[toad of the depths]

Threadly reminder to use proper units when talking about casualties.

 

[Vott]

Reported delay in Egypt-Gaza border crossing

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

I saw reports that Hamas claims to have parts of what's left of the thing that landed there (explaining why it took hours to get images out and why all that is missing in the images and videos out the next morning) but are thus far refusing to show anyone. With the media now calling for international "investigations", it's pretty clear where this is headed. Elite UN, advocacy orgs and academic ghouls are going to come in, take everything Hamas says/shows at face value and then claim that evidence actually points to an Israeli strike. We've seen it before.

A mass Islamic prayer was held outside the prime minister’s residence in London to protest the Gaza hospital compound bombing. It was blamed on Israel. The gathering shut down traffic on Whitehall.

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Anti Semites seen giving the middle finger to 4.5 and 8 year old children kidnapped by Hamas. Spotted at Baruch College in NYC

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That second one!! Fucking people literally and unironically need to have their lives ruined. It's time for a little more of that "consequence culture" these very same types of fucks openly mouth off about all the time.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

It is consistently hilarious to me that people keep demanding a separate thread because they come here to say something retarded and pointless like "i fucking hate kikes/sandniggers they should all die reeee" then get negrated or threadbanned because they're spergs and blame the Jews for it.
its not like we have multiple openly anti-Israel/Jew posters here that don't constantly get negrated and aren't threadbanned, it must be the Jews!

You'd think after the hospital shit people would just fucking wait until we have actual clear views on what happened. It's just like Ukraine and Russia, you have a side that practices deception as a matter of course and a side that just fucking lies obviously and extravagantly but people just line up to uncritically deepthroat whichever narrative suits their views. I get it, you hate the Jews, but that doesn't mean you have to lube your ass to dickride whatever Hamas's claims happen to be before we have something a bit more substantial.

 

[Ballistics]

Destroying a historically significant church is really inexcusable especially when you're dealing with a weak opponent such as Hamas.

Imagine if Hamas had rockets or AK's in say, the Pyramids of Giza (I know, pyramids more significant/not in Gaza yadda yadda).
They have weapons there but... it's dinky Hamas rockets and weapons they already have plenty of. Destroying them won't turn the tide of the war but now humanity has lost part of their history for your gay conflict.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Originally he wanted to build the Judenstaat in Argentina. Would've saved the world a lot of grief. Might've wound up with weird neighbors in the fifties, though. At least they'd all speak some form of German.

I think Kimberley in Australia would have been a good place to put a Jewish homeland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberley_Plan

It was mostly uninhabited, safe and fertile.

Ordinary Jews were severely persecuted in Europe in the 30s and 40s, so I could definitely see the need for a place of their own. Just not a place already highly populated in one of the most volatile regions on earth.

 

[Bloodthirsty Nosenigger]

"The United States does not consider it appropriate to have an international investigation into the attack on a hospital in Gaza." - United States Department of State.

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Nothing to see here, goy!

 

[Kiwiballs]

You'd think after the hospital shit people would just fucking wait until we have actual clear views on what happened. It's just like Ukraine and Russia, you have a side that practices deception as a matter of course and a side that just fucking lies obviously and extravagantly but people just line up to uncritically deepthroat whichever narrative suits their views. I get it, you hate the Jews, but that doesn't mean you have to lube your ass to dickride whatever Hamas's claims happen to be before we have something a bit more substantial.

All of that being true, and obviously people do feel outrage at hospitals or churches being bombed:

It's a war.
Wars are dirty.
People are gonna die.
Unless Israel purposefully targeted a hospital (which we will never prove) does it rally matter if Hamas or Israel accidentally bombed ground close to it?

It's like that flight over Ukraine. Everyone losing their mind over it. Because it fits various agendas.
But the flight that was shot over Iran as a trigger-happy response to US killing of the IRGC General Sulemain (spelling?). That was swepped under the rug almost immediately since neither Ukraine nor Iran wanted to beef with each other at that time.
Same amount of people died, same kind of tragedy (trigger happy AA shooting down civilian airliner).


It's all bullshit, its all a game in the end. Dont wage war if you dont want people to die. And both sides want to wage war.

 

[toad of the depths]

Each riot above followed sustained Zionist provocation, abuse and intimidation of the native population. The British Mandatory Palestine government's Palin Commission concluded this as far back as 1920. They published an extensive report on the Nebi Musa riots (or 1920 Jerusalem riots as you call them) which you can read here in its entirety:

https://balfourproject.org/full-palin-report/
The report's well-written and an easy read. The depth of thought and critical analysis is extinct in modern official communications. If you're serious about learning the history of this conflict, I highly recommend at least glancing the whole thing over. It's chunked into numbered sections for easy reading. Key excerpts:

This is the best post in the thread, I remember looking into this a while ago. Upon examination the conflict isn't really solvable.

It's all bullshit, its all a game in the end. Dont wage war if you dont want people to die. And both sides want to wage war.

Nobody asked the Arab Christians to be party to a blood feud. I'm sure theres some apocryphal account of a Christian Palestinian doing something bad to a Jew (you can pull anything off the historical record here) but Arab Christians have also committed atrocities in the name of Israeli political interests (namely in lebanon) Ultimately the thanks the Eastern Orthodox get is their historic sites bombed and excused as yet another weapons cache conveniently not in the tunnels. I'm tired of watching my brothers and sisters in Christ die pointless deaths at behest of vile people who hate us (doesn't matter specifying who, ghouls on all sides).

 

[412-L]

Using the BLM method of making radical activism seem chic for children and brainwashing them at the same time, militant Palestinian nationalism is now playing out at American high schools. Video recorded at Balboa High School in San Francisco.

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I find young activists like this to be insufferable. Grow up and get some life experience, and then maybe I’ll care about your opinions on global politics. Maybe Plato was right—politics and philosophy shouldn’t be taught until people are thirty.

 

[Kiwiballs]

This is the best post in the thread, I remember looking into this a while ago. Upon examination the conflict isn't really solvable.

It is solvable.
In the past it was solvable with the Oslo Accords. That time is over since Bibi took over.
Now it's solvable with a total Israeli victory.

 

[DumbDude43]

I think Kimberley in Australia would have been a good place to put a Jewish homeland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberley_Plan

It was mostly uninhabited, safe and fertile.

Ordinary Jews were severely persecuted in Europe in the 30s and 40s, so I could definitely see the need for a place of their own. Just not a place already highly populated in one of the most volatile regions on earth.

its not about just some random place to live
it's about THIS place to live
their holy land
their ancestral homeland
not some piece of dirt in bumfuck nowhere siberia or in the australian outback lol

 

[Vaclav]

Maybe Plato was right—politics and philosophy shouldn’t be taught until people are thirty.

That wouldn't work today. It's like sex - if you hide it from young people, they'll end up learning about it anyway from child molesters on a Discord.

 

[toad of the depths]

It is solvable.
In the past it was solvable with the Oslo Accords. That time is over since Bibi took over.
Now it's solvable with a total Israeli victory.

Hard disagree, if the israelis pursue total victory Rome probably gets nuked (arab zerg rush), which frankly, if they samson option europe, signs the death warrant for jewish race.

This would vindicate Otto weineger though, which would be humorous.

 

[Kiwiballs]

Hard disagree, if the israelis pursue total victory Rome probably gets nuked (arab zerg rush), which frankly, if they samson option europe, signs the death warrant for jewish race.

This would vindicate Otto weineger though, which would be humorous.

Why does Israel nuke Europe?
Look I'm saying the conflict is solvable through a military victory where Israel annexes the territory and makes second class citizens out of Arabs.

What the path to that victory looks like is not my job to figure out. But if the world chilled the fuck out and let a war play out as a war should without ending it in the middle and freezing the conflict only for it to start again every 10 years then maybe we can have some fucking peace in this world.

Every conflict that has had an ending gets ended with a population exchange or actual annexation. Conflicts "managed" by the UN last forever until they get solved by option 1. This conflict has been going on for 70 years, its enough suffering, especially for the Gazan people but also the people of Israel and the West Bank.

Negrate as much as you want, unless you have a better solution this is the only solution and the world should come to terms with it. If not for this war then at least for the next one in Gaza that as I said, will start again in 10 years.

 

[toad of the depths]

Why does Israel nuke Europe?

Total Gaza Death means arab tard zerg rush and the invocation of the samson option, which would likely be pointed at places of "historic jewish oppression" moreso than at arab nations proper. Best I can tell.

Remarkable lack of discussion of the samson option in this thread, considering that this the most existential crisis israel has faced in decades.

Also unremarked upon are the general moral implications of Jews endorsing collective punishment as a good idea, which totally doesn't undermine the story of the holocaust drilled into me in primary school. Its not like the german public didn't know who did the bavarian soviet etc etc. (I'm not justifying shit here btw, I'm making a broader point in terms of consistent morality). I would not think the jewish/israeli posters in this thread would find the fact that jews disproportionately participated in illegal non-uniformed raids on the wehrmacht a solid justification for the liquidation of jewish settlements on the ostfront by the einsatzgruppen fairly barbaric, which I would agree it is. The morality and comparison does directly follow though, partisans are objectively terrorists and soviet partisans were totally cool and chill with civilians, I'm sure...

Ultimately its the bizarre decontextualization from the past 100 years of both european jewish relations and zionist history that I find odd, its as if the conflict started 2 weeks ago and the moral implications can only be drawn from there.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Yet these are incredibly rare in Europe and elsewhere with Phimosis in particular being very easy to treat.
Yeah you're all being sold a lie in the US as there is zero reason to strap a baby boy down screaming to cut his foreskin off, it's child abuse and mutilation only done to make money in this day and age.

Americans do it in a cruel way. Jews wait for 8 days before doing it with an extremely sharp knife and then immediately giving the baby a drop of wine in order to dull the pain. Americans just strap the baby to a board and apply a clamp that circumcises you.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Why does Israel nuke Europe?
Look I'm saying the conflict is solvable through a military victory where Israel annexes the territory and makes second class citizens out of Arabs.

What the path to that victory looks like is not my job to figure out. But if the world chilled the fuck out and let a war play out as a war should without ending it in the middle and freezing the conflict only for it to start again every 10 years then maybe we can have some fucking peace in this world.

Every conflict that has had an ending gets ended with a population exchange or actual annexation. Conflicts "managed" by the UN last forever until they get solved by option 1. This conflict has been going on for 70 years, its enough suffering, especially for the Gazan people but also the people of Israel and the West Bank.

Negrate as much as you want, unless you have a better solution this is the only solution and the world should come to terms with it. If not for this war then at least for the next one in Gaza that as I said, will start again in 10 years.

The only way this war will end is when all the Israelis and Palestinians have all killed each other, and nobody is left to fight over that strip of land, unless Islamist militants swoop in from elsewhere to turn it into their idealized pork and alcohol free zone.

 

[Kiwiballs]

Total Gaza Death means arab tard zerg rush and the invocation of the samson option, which would likely be pointed at places of "historic jewish oppression" moreso than at arab nations proper.

Remarkable lack of discussion of the samson option in this thread, considering that this the most existential crisis israel has faced in decades.

Also unremarked upon are the general moral implications of Jews endorsing collective punishment as a good idea, which totally doesn't undermine the story of the holocaust drilled into me in primary school. Its not like the german public didn't know who did the bavarian soviet etc etc. (I'm not justifying shit here btw, I'm making a broader point in terms of consistent morality). I would not think the jewish/israeli posters in this thread would find the fact that jews disproportionately participated in illegal non-uniformed raids on the wehrmacht a solid justification for the liquidation of jewish settlements on the ostfront by the einsatzgruppen. The morality and comparison does directly follow though, partisans are objectively terrorists and soviet partisans were totally cool and chill with civilians, I'm sure...

Ultimately its the bizarre decontextualization from the past 100 years of both european jewish relations and zionist history that I find odd, its as if the conflict started 2 weeks ago and the moral implications can only be drawn from there.

Its time for the Holocaust gig to end anyway. The Jews kept 2.5 million people in an open air prison for 30 years.
My sympathy for them (the Jews) out of that perspective is over, too.
Its not collective punishment, the whole focus on Hamas as a terrorist organization is misplaced. They conduct terror attacks because that is the only way they can inflict proportional damage to Israeli society as they lack high tech weaponry.
But the operation or War in Gaza is not a war of collective punishment. It is or should be a war for conquest and if we were honest with each other, displacement of ones enemy and conquering hostile lands.

Accept those that will accept Israeli hegemony,
Drive out the rest.

It wouldnt be the first nor last war to do this. It would be more honest than the globalist wars fought for financial profits and ploys. And it would end the illusion that Israel is better than any other nation.

I'm not calling for the conquest because I like Israel. Im calling for it because its the only solution I can see, and until you give me a better one I'm going for this one rather than endless suffering for both sides.

 

[tiffanytwisted]

How do I filter thread for dancing Israelis, search is shit
Can anyone link the good one with the heavy live electro and orthodox Jews dancing?
Best content so far until ground war starts

Lol I’m glad I’m not alone, my absolute favorite part of this thread is the hilarious jew dancing videos. Nice having a laugh in between the political sperging, religious debate, and existential dread of ww3

Just because someone has a bias doesn't mean they shouldn't be welcome to contribute to a discussion.

Yeah I like this part of KF. I want to hear both sides out and get their takes, to understand why they feel the way they do and learn the cultural/religious/geopolitical context for everything. That kind of shit is literally why I come to KF for updates. It’s seriously the most balanced place with (for the most part) the most sane, nuanced takes. Facebook’s full of boomers who just spam the Israeli flag and have no meaningful commentary to add besides their “tHoUgHtS aNd pRaYeRs”. Reddit is nothing but leftist troons who are still going off about “Israel killing 500 people in a hospital drone strike” and the jannies delete any replies showing evidence to the contrary. Twitter’s a hot confusing mess filled with misinformation and bots. And cable news is just replaying Biden’s rambling speeches on a loop.
KF is the only place I’ve found with nuanced takes, people from all ends contributing, lively but mostly civil debate, well-sourced news updates, quality debunking when necessary, well-researched historical background info, and both sides explaining themselves and how all this has actually impacted their lives personally. I don’t mind the ones with clear bias or bigotry either. Honestly it adds some levity to see “kike” and “goatfucker” and some dumb Jew/sandnig jokes sprinkled into the otherwise serious discussions about dark, sad, scary shit.
Really don’t understand why anybody would be opposed to it. I think it’s what makes the farms great.