2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Kiwiballs]

No, the translation is accurate. Like I said, the government is being purposefully vague on the end goal here.

Bruh. Even the most right win zionist documents Ive read speak of taking control of the situation and integrating the remainder of the people under a benevolent form of unequivocal occupation.
Common man, if you guys go too far on this you die too. You'll barely get away with the ^ above and even that's not sure to cause world war 3.

 

[Seafarer]

Look at how many people in this thread have gone on and on about Israel being the Jews indigenous homeland.

Moses was found on what river? Must have been the Jordan

Nigger have you fucking read the story of Moses?

The entire fucking point of the story is that Egypt (which isn’t even the Jewish birth land either, that would be Mesopotamia because Abraham is said to have been from the city of Ur) was a shithole where the Jews lived in slavery and had their children murdered at the whims of the Pharoh. God then has Moses lead the Jews of Egypt into the Promised Land he has gifted to them, which corresponds to modern day Israel (and is actually a low estimate, because it is traditionally supposed to stretch from the Nile to the Euphrates, which modern Israel doesn’t fulfill for geopolitical reasons).

Like I seriously can’t believe how retarded this take is “yeah Egypt is the real Jewish homeland, not the PROMISED LAND GIFTED TO THEM BY GOD ”. You seriously thought this was some epic gotcha and not a genuinely retarded statement that actually strengthens Israel’s claim to the land.

Also thanks for proving my point that people don’t understand biblical stories anymore. Exodus is quite literally one of the most famous stories of the Bible.

 

[Foltest]

What do they mean with "end any responsibility for life in Gaza"? I assume its a mistranslated of something like "assume every responsibility for life in Gaza?"

I would also assume that.
I think they mean they will take direct control over Gaza with the military for the time.

 

[Kiwiballs]

I would also assume that.
I think they mean they will take direct control over Gaza with the military for the time.

Resident hebrew says no. Shits getting so unhinged right now.

 

[Foltest]

Resident hebrew says no. Shits getting so unhinged right now.

Indeed.
Btw, when is the fucking land invasion starting!?

 

[DumbDude43]

I would also assume that.
I think they mean they will take direct control over Gaza with the military for the time.

i read it more as "we will cut all contact, enforce a DMZ buffer zone along the gaza/irael border, and end all water/food/power deliveries"

 

[Instant_Pot_User]

because it is traditionally supposed to stretch from the Nile to the Euphrates

so you're saying that it's supposed to stretch from the river(s) to the sea? wtf based israel is palestine!!!11!1!

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

I think they mean they will take direct control over Gaza with the military for the time.

End responsibility I'm guessing means, no more power from them, water from them, food from them.
They'll prolly wall em off harder as an even nastier ghetto. I wouldn't be surprised if they have inspection teams of military that just go in and smash shit up under the guise that stuff could be 'used for war.'

Has anyone popped questions about "how did we let this happen?"
Any talks of an investigation as to why soldiers were so off guard and ill prepared?
Holiday or not.

 

[verissimus]

Indeed.
Btw, when is the fucking land invasion starting!?

You'll probably know when the thread jumps say 10 or 20 pages in an hour or less.

 

[EyeGuy]

My own translation of Gallant's statement:

This is a three-stage operation:

We are currently in the first stage, which consists of a military operation with bombardment and a follow-up invasion whose goal is the extermination of militants and degradation of infrastructure for the sake of collapsing and exterminating Hamas.

The second stage is an intermediate stage of continuation of lower-intensity fighting and elimination of pockets of resistance.

The third is the creation of a new security regime in the Gaza Strip, removal of Israeli responsibility for life in the strip and creation of a new security paradigm for citizens of Israel and the residents of the perimeter.

I'll repeat once again that stage three is intentionally unclear and there's no point trying to guess what will happen based off the statement.

 

[Kiwiballs]

End responsibility I'm guessing means, no more power from them, water from them, food from them.
They'll prolly wall em off harder as an even nastier ghetto. I wouldn't be surprised if they have inspection teams of military that just go in and smash shit up under the guise that stuff could be 'used for war.'

Has anyone popped questions about "how did we let this happen?"
Any talks of an investigation as to why soldiers were so off guard and ill prepared?
Holiday or not.

I remember reading that Bibi ignored direct egyptian Military intelligence about imminent attacks and pulled troops towards the Westbank and ignored warnings from his own military.

First one Im 100% sure of second one is a bit muddled in my mind so like 80% but the general gist is there.
Theory we worked on earlier in the thread was that both Iran and Israel wanted this to happen for their own reasons but that Hamas went full retard and now its out of everyones hands.

The third is the creation of a new security regime in the Gaza Strip, removal of Israeli responsibility for life in the strip and creation of a new security paradigm for citizens of Israel and the residents of the perimeter.

This doesn't make sense, it's a new security regime = total Israeli control but it's not Israels responsibility to secure the basic needs of the people still left there?

Will play badly internationally...

 

[Breadbassket]

This doesn't make sense, it's a new security regime = total Israeli control but it's not Israels responsibility to secure the basic needs of the people still left there?

Maybe it means the creation of a nominally independent Israeli puppet regime in Gaza?

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

that Hamas went full retard

That was kind of my general thought too.
Kinda like 9/11 the US government expected the planes to hit and do damage, but not for the towers to completely collapse. The terrorists didn't' expect that either.


Israel definitely expected it, but didn't expect them to do so well. Is what I was thinking too so sounds about right. It'd be nice to see if anyone is doing an official inquisition just to humor the people. But it sounds like people are so frothed for war right now that whatever is done will be quietly swept under the rug by the time any investigation begins.

E:

Maybe it means the creation of a nominally independent Israeli puppet regime in Gaza?

I saw something about Hillary bitching that they didn't rig the elections in Palestine enough to favor them back in 2006, so you may be right.

 

[Seafarer]

so you're saying that it's supposed to stretch from the river(s) to the sea? wtf based israel is palestine!!!11!1!

Actually from the river to the river:

From my understanding, according to the Zionists (actual Zionists this time not just a /pol/ buzzword) everything between those two rivers should be Israel. Modern Israel doesn’t border either river.

 

[Kiwiballs]

Maybe it means the creation of a nominally independent Israeli puppet regime in Gaza?

This would be good but Gaza can't survive on its own. Puppet regime needs to be beefed up with bribes the way the americans beefed up Afghanistan for it to work. So you give the head dog bribes then that guy gives his underlings bribes, they spread those bribes out to more people, etc.
You buy loyalty through which the people buy goods.
Maduro is doing that in Venezuela where as long as you're on the side of the government you get free food, of course the people distributing the food and managing the distribution skim from the top.

 

[Poonocchio]

It's a win win for Israel. They kill a lot of Muzzies and the ones they don't are shipped off around the world as refugees because Israel have levelled Gaza. No more angry neighbours!

 

[verissimus]

This would be good but Gaza can't survive on its own. Puppet regime needs to be beefed up with bribes the way the americans beefed up Afghanistan for it to work. So you give the head dog bribes then that guy gives his underlings bribes, they spread those bribes out to more people, etc.
You buy loyalty through which the people buy goods.
Maduro is doing that in Venezuela where as long as you're on the side of the government you get free food, of course the people distributing the food and managing the distribution skim from the top.

...Afghanistan is not a good example to bring up.

 

[Kiwiballs]

...Afghanistan is not a good example to bring up.

Circumstances are a bit different here. It's not an occupation in the middle of nowhere with a lot of land for a resistance movement to move about in, nor are the Palestinians like the Afghanis tribalistic. Anyway that's probably the best they can hope for if they don't expel a very, very large portion of the population (?)

 

[Vott]

source

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

What's wrong with Israeli water and electricity?

That was an unfortunate typo, I meant 'without' water and electricity from Isreal then Gaza is uninhabitable and they aren't turning those back on any time soon.