Feminism discussion thread

[skekChuck]

Oh I see lol it’s all coming together now

If it wasn’t for that and a lot of self-realization. I probably wouldn’t be making a stand against trannies.
The lord works in mysterious ways…

Beliefs can be wrong and based on prejudice or bias. If they cannot withstand scrutiny, they're probably good to go.
Beliefs that are based on observable and measurable reality should be the basis, not those based on emotion, fear and resentment, nor those based on frustration or religious lunacy.

I agree. We women have gears that are simply more defensive in this way. Some women have experienced things that will forever make us hate men.
Some of us have never experienced anything truly bad.
I’m certain all of us here have issues with men based on personal experiences.

I hate nigger men because the only time I was ever harassed, was by a nigger who got mad that nobody was giving him free money. He called us all pasty white bitches and I was too far from home to call anyone for backup if I said something.
Thank god we have statistics to back up why we should hate them. (Despite being 13%)

Statistics do state that the first-world has been safer than ever in regards to homicide. SA might not be fully accurate because I think the main perpetrators are trannies and that shit is being actively covered up. Most misogyny is coming from gay men and trannies as of late.
I guess my qualm with men is that they aren’t actively trying to fix the faggot problem. So they’re failing us by allowing trannies to step all over us. These troons are men, so men should probably make a stand against them. It’s possible that it’s part of some convoluted plot from dark entities of sexism to make women feel horrible in the presence of people “underprivileged”.

I fucking hate gay male privilege. This is pretty much the only reason I’m here. I just fucking hate troons and faggots and niggers so much. Yeah I could do it in the male threads but it’s nice to know there’s some agreement in my sex that we should all hate certain groups.

I can’t hate straight men entirely because my personal experience has been completely beneficial (not in dating but just actual friendships, they’re the last hold-out for warhammer and battletech now that trannies have gotten ahold of it.) There is nothing wrong with getting along with any reasonable human on the planet.

It's not necessarily the beliefs, it's the man-hate thread denizens who can't withstand scruotiny kek.

They are annoying. I agree, it just seems that this is what the culture of the website is. Not excusing it, just something observable.
I came across a discord of trans-exclusionary rad-fems. Only thing that annoyed me was the constant whining about how helpless each of them were in this world. Like go get help. Jesus. We aren’t helpless beings and it only causes more issues when we fall into that pit and even worse when other women encourage that shit. (And I was the baddie for posting resources for women to use).

What elevated, high IQ feminist opinions have you heard from Amber or Lidl?

Lidl is Fine. She’s cool-headed.
Amber is just unhinged and angry. Needs to swim more.

no one cares, women want a space free of men, stop whining about how "there's no critical discussion" in a thread that isn't intended for it.

This thread is literally made for critical discussion about it. It’s the actual description.
You can ban men, but it probably won’t stop other women from being critical of completely radicalized opinions.

 

[Freya]

Feminism needs to clean house. Its not my fault the Biden admin is fronting mutilated men as women in the name of Feminism. Why aren't Feminists telling him to stop? Why are they here bitching about men instead of writing in to NOW? Or their legislators? Or the White House?
I just want to know which Feminism is good and which is bad. Apparently pro-tranny Feminism is bad, but for some reason it's from the same leaders general Feminism has urged us to vote for for decades. So confusing. So which one should I support?

You don't control the forums, the board or this thread. Criticism is discussion. Use Ignore. Try Ovarit. Start a group chat.

you know there's more to feminism than trannies right

I've repeatedly asked what the good and bad Feminisms are. No one seems to know. Or even how to figure it out.

Voting blue took away womens sports! How'd that happen? Maybe they have a bad Feminism.

This is the problem. you're not asking that because you want to know. its just ammo

 

[Stan]

This thread is literally made for critical discussion about it. It’s the actual description.
You can ban men, but it probably won’t stop other women from being critical of completely radicalized opinions.

See Frequently Yelled Statement #2

> Feminism has gone too far!
No, it hasn't gone far enough. Women in first-world western countries may be guaranteed their rights on paper, but in practice these rights are curtailed by men's sexism and male political initiatives seeking to abridge our rights. There are also many countries and places in the world where female enfranchisement is not guaranteed by the law or recognized by men.

 

[skekChuck]

I just want to know which Feminism is good and which is bad. Apparently pro-tranny Feminism is bad, but for some reason it's from the same leaders general Feminism has urged us to vote for for decades. So confusing. So which one should I support?

ProTip:
Always follow your convictions. Don’t let anyone else tell you how you should think.

If you want someone who wants the entire US to wear boots on our heads, and they just happen to be running. Don’t be ashamed to support it.

Yeah people are going to disagree. But this journey is a self-guided journey. You should first try to fully articulate what you believe and why you believe it. That’s your first step.

 

[Lurker]

This thread is literally made for critical discussion about it. It’s the actual description.
You can ban men, but it probably won’t stop other women from being critical of completely radicalized opinions.

did you read the edit on the post you replied to or...?

and sure, women can be critical of feminism, since it actually affects them. I may not agree with certain criticism, especially if it's coming from a misguided pickme, but still, that's your right, being wrong.

 

[skekChuck]

you know there's more to feminism than trannies right

This issue is that you keep saying this but in the real world, trannies are running Feminism Actual Lunatics are running our show.
So we need to be able to articulate everything we believe. That is what is important.
TERFs are just another denomination of feminism. It’s an actively hated one by the mainstream.

did you read the edit on the post you replied to or...?

Didn’t see the edit.

 

[Lurker]

Didn’t see the edit.

it happens.

DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN

 

[skekChuck]

it happens.

DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN

So ignore it every single time, got it.

See Frequently Yelled Statement #2

That’s not at all what that pertains to.
You’re just frustrated that women don’t blindly follow any one idea.

 

[Freya]

This issue is that you keep saying this but in the real world, trannies are running Feminism Actual Lunatics are running our show.
So we need to be able to articulate everything we believe. That is what is important.
TERFs are just another denomination of feminism. It’s an actively hated one by the mainstream.

yeah. we don't talk about trannies enough. they need to be the only topic allowed in a thread about feminism.

 

[Stan]

Actual response to the presence of trannies in Feminism:

Trans Rights Activists (TRAs) have metastasized from a movement focused on relatively simple requests for civility and the maintenance of their civil rights (e.g. call trannies what they want to be called, it's wrong to fire someone for coming out as trans) to absolutely ridiculous shit. It's not that surprising, considering trannies are actually mentally ill men, so when LGBT and feminism were willing to let them share our umbrella, they pushed the real women out into the rain.

TRA now =/= TRA in 2014. The Democratic Party likes to pander to TRA because 1) their activists are extremely active (something feminists could learn from) 2) their visibility is good optics for the party, and 3) it makes the Democrats look more progressive without having to actually do progressive things. Politicians use them as a political football, and because they are so loud and distracting and make claims to feminism, there are some idiots like Middleman who think that troonery is feminism, full stop.

The truth is more nuanced. Feminists tolerated trannies for a time (at least I did), but there's a breaking point for all of us. I reached mine, and many other women have reached theirs. I've deregistered from the Democratic party to Independent because I'm that tired of trannies sucking all the air out of the room and pretending that getting a neovaginoplasty is "life saving medicine" akin to antibiotics in Gaza.

Now we see a schism in the movement; feminism has gone through schism before, and schism isn't inherently a bad thing if it fosters some diversity of ideas and the schismatics are pragmatic enough to work together on the issues they do agree on. This is the current status of feminism: I am happy to work with 3rd wave choice feminists on issues that matter to me, but I will not stand with them on issues like "women's porn" (made by women, for women ) or this trans-women-are-women thing, when they're not, or advocate for further advancement of TRA initiatives like letting your kid transition before puberty.

I don't wish harm on trans people. I don't even want to purposely upset them, but I'm weary of being told to fight their fight for them (the fight for say, drag queen story hour), when I do not see trans people showing up to fight for feminist issues that only affect real, natal women.

 

[Lurker]

yeah. we don't talk about trannies enough. they need to be the only topic allowed in a thread about feminism.

BUT YOU SEE

THE TRANNIES

THEY ARE TRANNIES

BEING TRANNIES

AREN'T YOU AS MAD AS I AM ABOUT THE TRANNIES?

BECAUSE FEMINISM IS ABOUT TRANNIES

 

[Freya]

been reading about Artemisia Gentileschi. there were actually a ton of female Renaissance artists that don't get mentioned for some reason

 

[Stan]

That’s not at all what that pertains to.
You’re just frustrated that women don’t blindly follow any one idea.

See previous reply, pertains to your issue:

feminism has gone through schism before, and schism isn't inherently a bad thing if it fosters some diversity of ideas and the schismatics are pragmatic enough to work together on the issues they do agree on.

 

[skekChuck]

I don't wish harm on trans people. I don't even want to purposely upset them, but I'm weary of being told to fight their fight for them (the fight for say, drag queen story hour), when I do not see trans people showing up to fight for feminist issues that only affect real, natal women.

Legitimate rage towards them is necessary. They need to know they are not the same as women. They need to know to stay out and away from real women. They need to feel uncomfortable at the least.

 

[Lurker]

a ton of female Renaissance artists that don't get mentioned for some reason

 

[Stan]

been reading about Artemisia Gentileschi. there were actually a ton of female Renaissance artists that don't get mentioned for some reason

you know why. we all know why.
Men can't comprehend women making art. It's why women novelists use male names.
Men see women as objects, and they see female art as creatorless and available for male appropriation. Just look at Zelda Fitzgerald.

 

[Lurker]

Legitimate rage towards them is necessary. They need to know they are not the same as women. They need to know to stay out and away from real women. They need to feel uncomfortable at the least.

Legitimate rage towards men is necessary but that's bad because you like men and dislike trannies, even though they're one in the same.

 

[Stan]

Legitimate rage towards them is necessary. They need to know they are not the same as women. They need to know to stay out and away from real women. They need to feel uncomfortable at the least.

I've no interest in playing kick the autistic with mentally ill men. It's their life and their penis, I just get irritated when they won't shut up about it and try to grab center stage and make feminism all about them, which is what all males do, except for Dyn, and I'm starting to have doubts about him (her?). I just feel bad for the pooners tbh, it's 100% butch flight and they'll never be real boys.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

1) Equal pay for equal work.
Since the women’s US soccer team is objectively better than the men’s (it is) then the women should receive at least the same amount of pay as the men's team does, if not more.

It's late, but sports pay is determined by the size of the crowd drawn. If no one cares about a particular sport or version of it, the athletes don't get paid, no matter how good they are at playing.

Now I don't watch soccer, so whatever.

I guess my qualm with men is that they aren’t actively trying to fix the faggot problem. So they’re failing us by allowing trannies to step all over us. These troons are men, so men should probably make a stand against them. It’s possible that it’s part of some convoluted plot from dark entities of sexism to make women feel horrible in the presence of people “underprivileged”.

My main qualm with women regarding the troon is question is how many of them actively encourage it. I'm a filthy third worlder, so most of the women here reacted negatively when the troon push came here in 2019, but quite a bit were also eager to support it.

Meanwhile, literally zero of the men/boys I know supported it.

 

[skekChuck]

My main qualm with women regarding the troon is question is how many of them actively encourage it. I'm a filthy third worlder, so most of the women here reacted negatively when the troon push came here in 2019, but quite a bit were also eager to support it.

Meanwhile, literally zero of the men/boys I know supported it.

And I’m going to stop you there.

Trannies are an extremely sexist reaction to women having responsibilities and rights.

And again, your bias isn’t going to let you see what others have experienced. I’m glad you have some reasonable people in your life. But men have a responsibility to stop lunacy from their own sex.

I know it’s easier said than done but complacency is just as much of a sin as any others.