Law Kiwi Farms ruling sets “dubious” copyright precedent, expert warns - Ruling shows how copyright law could become "Kiwi Farms killer," expert says.


ASHLEY BELANGER - 10/18/2023

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Kiwi Farms—a website credited with launching a range of targeted harassment campaigns, which Cloudflare considers its most dangerous customer ever—has remained online despite immense pressure to dismantle the website. But now it looks like Kiwi Farms may be facing its biggest threat yet. This week, an unexpected court ruling has shown "how copyright law could be a Kiwi Farms killer," tech law expert Eric Goldman wrote in his blog.

Goldman's blog analyzed a judgment issued Monday by the United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, which reversed a lower court's decision to dismiss a copyright lawsuit filed by Russell Greer. According to Greer, Kiwi Farms targeted him with a harassment campaign so extreme that he wrote a book to explain why the harassment should stop. Kiwi Farms then uploaded the book and a song that Greer wrote, allegedly sharing his copyrighted materials to encourage users to continue mocking Greer.

Greer's troubles with Kiwi Farms started when he sued pop star Taylor Swift in 2016. That's when Kiwi Farms users "began 'a relentless harassment campaign,'" Greer alleged, including “direct harassment via phone, email, and social media." Kiwi Farms' “schemes" allegedly "successfully got him fired from his workplace and evicted” and led to "the creation of 'false social media profiles that impersonate him with names ... that mock his physical and developmental disabilities.'” Kiwi Farms frequently targets people with physical and mental disabilities, Greer told the court.

In his complaint, which he filed on his own without legal representation, Greer alleged that the copyright infringement occurred after Greer "self-published and copyrighted the book, Why I Sued Taylor Swift and How I Became Falsely Known as Frivolous, Litigious, and Crazy, around November 2017." Greer said he wrote the book to help “explain his side of things" and "clear up the slander surrounding him.”

Those hopes were dashed when Kiwi Farms operator Joshua Moon allegedly posted a Google Drive link to a full copy of Greer’s book on the Kiwi Farms website. Greer promptly requested Moon to remove the link, but Moon "refused" and then published Greer’s requests onto Kiwi Farms to incite further mocking. Greer alleged that Kiwi Farms users also flooded review sites with bad reviews to hurt sales and created unauthorized audio versions of his book. Kiwi Farms' goal, Greer alleged, was “purposely" depriving Greer "of making money."

The conflict then further escalated when Greer released a song in 2019 called "I Don't Get You, Taylor Swift," which was uploaded within days to Kiwi Farms' site, where an anonymous Kiwi Farms user "encouraged its dissemination on the site 'so no one else accidentally gives Russell [Greer] money.'" Kiwi Farms users also allegedly exploited Greer's other copyrighted materials, including illegally uploading copies of two additional songs and a screenplay.

After it became clear that Moon would not respond to takedown notices, Greer sued Moon and Kiwi Farms in 2020, but his complaint was dismissed in 2021, when a court ruled that Greer had failed to show that the defendants had "intentionally caused, induced, or materially contributed to the direct infringement."

But the appeals court this week disagreed, deciding that Kiwi Farms' bullying behavior of posting Greer's takedown notices while refusing to take down infringing material "amounted to encouragement of Kiwi Farms users’ direct copyright infringement." Now, the case has been remanded to proceed in a lower court.

Greer's lawyer, Andrew Grimm, told Ars that “we think the opinion will contribute to a fairer and more just society, and we appreciate both the court’s time and the collegiality of our opposing counsel.”

Moon's lawyer did not respond to Ars' request to comment.

Will court uphold “dubious” ruling?​

Greer's case will be revisited by the lower court, giving Greer a second chance to strike back at Kiwi Farms. Goldman said that a victory for Greer still seems unlikely, though, because the appeals court's "dubious" ruling appears to be inconsistent with copyright law, at least as Goldman has "taught the subject for 25+ years."

According to Goldman, the appeals court needed to defend its definition of "encouragement" more "thoroughly" because it appeared that the court "conflated" two legal standards and "messed up long-standing contributory copyright infringement principles." Goldman wrote that under common law, contributory infringement requires a finding that Moon and Kiwi Farms "induce, cause, or materially contribute" direct infringement, not just “encourage" direct infringement, as the appeals court ruled. The court's reference to "encourage" comes from a different legal test, Goldman wrote, and that inconsistency alone could make upholding the appeals court's decision messy for the lower court.

Further, Goldman said that the notion that Kiwi Farms posting the takedown notice after failing to remove infringing content amounted to encouragement of direct copyright infringement is flawed. That logic would seemingly suggest that anyone hit with a copyright claim who posts a notice could be held liable for encouraging infringement.

"That cannot be the right legal standard, and I am reasonably confident no other court would reach that conclusion," Goldman wrote.

Goldman suggested that the court was stretching copyright law to punish Kiwi Farms for its mocking behavior, which he said makes the ruling a "dubious precedent on all points." He warned that people "should be careful celebrating copyright’s censorial powers." Though "few people would lament" Kiwi Farms' demise, this ruling could lead to censorship of "socially beneficial content."

"We definitely don’t want more copyright doctrines that facilitate pernicious removals," Goldman wrote.
 
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The takedown of many youtubers and streamers would also be in the cards funny enough. They're too lazy to research their material like they claim and just come here for easy to digest info
 
Damn. Looks I was wrong in the end.
Still I hope SCOTUS does end up on our side, even though it might be :optimistic: .
You can't just copy and distribute someone's book, no matter how shitty. That being said this case is heavily about who "you" is and what "copy[ing] and distribut[ing]" means.

In this case, individual posters are responsible for their own content. So the original poster would be the primary infringer.

The question is if null had an obligation to remove mere links to the content under the DMCA, or if Greer properly should've gone to Google Drive directly.
 
You hold a copyright irrespective of if the product is free or not.
How does someone claim damages if the thing is free at the time? Where's the damage?

I mean I get that Greer's claiming statutory damages because he knows proving actual damages is impossible, but this seems kind of stupid.
 
The question is if null had an obligation to remove mere links to the content under the DMCA, or if Greer properly should've gone to Google Drive directly.
The book is still up at the Google link. Null would have been absolutely powerless to comply with the demand to remove it since he isn't Google. And Russ apparently doesn't care about the book being up anyway, or he would have some time in the last few years actually DMCA'ed Google, which goes above and beyond complying with the DMCA.

It would have been gone the next day.
Still I hope SCOTUS does end up on our side, even though it might be :optimistic: .
Don't get ahead of yourself. The case isn't even back in District Court yet.
 
How does someone claim damages if the thing is free at the time? Where's the damage?
Imagine you have a promotion for your cookies. For an hour, you give them away for free, then stop. I come in 2 hours later, say “I saw you were giving away cookies earlier”, steal your cookies and leave. Could you point me where the damage is? Same here. There is damage if there was sharing outside of the free period. It is quite literally lost sales, though that is a moot point since he is seeking statutory damages (also because his book was never actually made free).
 
The judge's ruling was kinda obviously bullshit. A bunch of irrelevant and not true Kiwi Farms is mean and bad assertions does not a copyright infringement by site owner Joshua Moon make
 
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Imagine you have a promotion for your cookies. For an hour, you give them away for free, then stop. I come in 2 hours later, say “I saw you were giving away cookies earlier”, steal your cookies and leave. Could you point me where the damage is? Same here. There is damage if there was sharing outside of the free period. It is quite literally lost sales, though that is a moot point since he is seeking statutory damages (also because his book was never actually made free).
I forgot what this was about, but if I recall Greer basically sent emails to Null because people made fun of him for being a creep and mocked his books/ songs. Some people posted them via links and this is how he took revenge against Null saying “Hey retard, go to Google and bitch.”

The entire thing is whether or not Null is legally responsible to investigate every Google drive link on the website and if Null wasn’t acting in good faith?
Because it basically is a retard lashing out with his slight understanding of the legal system and is now being used to try to define how Fair use and copyright act on the Internet. Because a lot of the links were just YouTube and Google drive to his copyrighted material?

This entire thing just seems retarded. Like I get the concept of someone stealing the cookies in the allegory, but in this case it’s more like the thief is coming in and distributing them here for free. It doesn’t matter if you ban the thief because he can distribute them elsewhere and through other people.
Doesn’t another issue arise from if there are numerous other cases of Greer’s book being up on other places?
 
Imagine you have a promotion for your cookies. For an hour, you give them away for free, then stop. I come in 2 hours later, say “I saw you were giving away cookies earlier”, steal your cookies and leave.
"I saw you were giving cookies away earlier"
*bakes cookies just like them*

I don't see a problem here.

I forgot what this was about, but if I recall Greer basically sent emails to Null because people made fun of him for being a creep and mocked his books/ songs. Some people posted them via links and this is how he took revenge against Null saying “Hey retard, go to Google and bitch.”
This is true, but I also think linking is still a grey area in copyright law.
That doesn't mean copyright law isn't retarded as shit, but C&D's are still a legal obligation.
If they weren't filed properly that's another thing.
 
Like it or not, that's not how copyright law works. In this case, though, the Farms were not providing the stolen cookies or even copies of them. Google was. The Farms just said "I hear they're giving away cookies for free over on Google."
We'll see how the ruling comes down.
Linking has been inconsistent across jurisdictions.
 
Some people posted them via links and this is how he took revenge against Null saying “Hey retard, go to Google and bitch.”
One person posted a link to a Google drive with his book, and another posted the whole song on KF. Null believes he is not liable for the former, and that the second is used in accordance with Fair Use.
The entire thing is whether or not Null is legally responsible to investigate every Google drive link on the website and if Null wasn’t acting in good faith?
No. This is about if Null contributed to infringement of his copyrights by encouraging people to pirate Russ’s stuff.
and is now being used to try to define how Fair use and copyright act on the Internet
Fair Use has not yet been raised as a defense by Null. This is however precedential as to what is considered contributory copyright infringement in the 10th circuit.

Like I get the concept of someone stealing the cookies in the allegory
The allegory was for damages, not the case.
Doesn’t another issue arise from if there are numerous other cases of Greer’s book being up on other places?
Not in anyway that is relevant to Null.
 
This is however precedential as to what is considered contributory copyright infringement in the 10th circuit.
I read your posts from the other thread on this.
Your analysis there was that they were simply applying pro-se allowances more liberally rather than ruling on the merits of what constitutes contributory infringement.
I was under the impression based on the cited sections that this standard would not apply to a case pled by licensed and barred counsel.
 
One person posted a link to a Google drive with his book, and another posted the whole song on KF. Null believes he is not liable for the former, and that the second is used in accordance with Fair Use.

No. This is about if Null contributed to infringement of his copyrights by encouraging people to pirate Russ’s stuff.

Fair Use has not yet been raised as a defense by Null. This is however precedential as to what is considered contributory copyright infringement in the 10th circuit.


The allegory was for damages, not the case.

Not in anyway that is relevant to Null.
Thanks. People have been Doomsaying for the last few days and I never paid attention to Russell because I don’t like Taylor Swift.
 
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I was under the impression based on the cited sections that this standard would not apply to a case pled by licensed and barred counsel.
They probably wouldn’t get away with it (at least without a more artful pleading), but it would certainly make their argument more persuasive. While pro se pleading deserved liberal reading and favorable interpretation, the underlying fact remains; the 10th circuit found that posting a DMCA notice while mocking the Plaintiff may be evidence of inducement. This underlying fact remains true for all plaintiffs, but what would be the subject of further litigation is exactly what line pushes the ‘may’ into “is”.

Weirdly, the appellate court seemed to draw the conclusion backwards: There was infringement -> Russ sent an email -> Null posted the email -> there was additional infringement -> Russ sent DMCA -> Null posted it and mocked it -> Null knew that his audience hated Greer -> therefore Null is responsible retroactively for infringement that happened before his supposed encouragement. Both Russ and the Appellate court assert that there have been additional infringements since the DMCA, but it was for things not at issue here, meaning that the infringement applied retroactively
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Interestingly, this seems to favor the theory that because the infringement happened, it must have been induced, a doctrine of thought that has long since been denied in other Free Speech areas (like incitement)

@AnOminous @mindlessobserver tell me if my read (the last two paragraphs) fits with how you read the district’s decision
 
This underlying fact remains true for all plaintiffs, but what would be the subject of further litigation is exactly what line pushes the ‘may’ into “is”.
The Tenth Circuit actually misstated the standard entirely.

[T]he reposting of the takedown notice, combined with the refusal to take down the infringing material, amounted to encouragement of Kiwi Farms users’ direct copyright infringement.

Apparently he has a time machine and can encourage infringement that happened before he even did anything. The court didn't say it "may" be encouragement, it outright said it just is, period. And of course, "encouragement" is from a completely different standard than contributory infringement, which they were pretending to apply.
 
Apparently he has a time machine and can encourage infringement that happened before he even did anything
So I wasn’t crazy! What the actual fuck? This is way worse than I initially thought.
And of course, "encouragement" is from a completely different standard than contributory infringement, which they were pretending to apply.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd., 545 U.S. 913, 125 S. Ct. 2764 (2005) (which both sides used IIRC) established enouragement as a valid factor for contributory infringement? It says “One infringes contributorily by intentionally inducing or encouraging direct infringement”. Or am I mixing something up.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd., 545 U.S. 913, 125 S. Ct. 2764 (2005) (which both sides used IIRC) established enouragement as a valid factor for contributory infringement? It says “One infringes contributorily by intentionally inducing or encouraging direct infringement”. Or am I mixing something up.
Yes, and that's exactly what Goldman said (and I was quoting his own selection of the relevant language the court used):
Ugh. First, the common law contributory infringement elements refer to “induce, cause, or materially contribute” direct infringement, not “encourage.” The term “encourage” comes from the Grokster inducement test, but the court is very clear that it is applying the common law contributory infringement test, not the inducement test. So in its effort to accommodate a pro se complaint, the court conflated the two doctrines and messed up long-standing contributory copyright infringement principles.
It frankly suggests we're not just biased toward our own interest in saying this ruling is a huge fuckup, when even people who probably hate us realize how bad it is.
 
Yes, and that's exactly what Goldman said (and I was quoting his own selection of the relevant language the court used):
Wait, but the inducement test draws from common law secondary copyright liability too, and is used to find liability for contributory copyright infringement…

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but fucking hell, I am confused beyond all reason, and Null is completely right in his takes on copyright.
It frankly suggests we're not just biased toward our own interest in saying this ruling is a huge fuckup, when even people who probably hate us realize how bad it is
He didn’t seem to realize the backwards reasoning the court used to establish the retroactive liability for Null, which is sad. That aside, you’re right, it’s good that we can see we aren’t blinded by our own bias.
 
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