Feminism discussion thread

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Sorry for slightly derailing but something I have noticed is that a few radfems who are antiporn (they have their reasons, not criticizing) tend to accidentally expose themselves as degens. Why am I saying this?
"Porn is so fucking degrading, men get off to women being slapped and choked[...]"

Like, sister... Your average perception of porn is hardcore shit that involves beating and choking, something that is very niche in nature and cannot being found this easily. Specially nowadays that most porn is made on Onlyfans.
It's more probable for a guy to crank his hog to Sonic the Hedgehog porn than something like that.
It's almost feels as if they look at these types of content themselves, dislike it and feels ashamed, and then projects it onto others.
I know this is purely anecdotal but I have seen two cases of radfem types sperging about porn being exposed as extreme degenerates themselves. Don't know how frequent it is but I just wanted to share just to see if it's common or just me.

Brain dead take. it’s literally not niche in nature and very popular porn videos have degrading things like that in them. It doesn’t take a porn addict to know that. It’s literally on the front page of most porn sites, it might not be the main focus but it’s in there. no most porn isn’t on onlyfans lmao pornhub has the most traffic of any sites and while they cleaned up their act pornhub does have videos with millions of views showcasing the degradation of women. And how tf do you know a man is more likel ,to jerk off to sonic porn than anything else? You just made that up out of nowhere. You’re just a retard whose only argument against degeneracy is “no u” and want to set up a “women all secretly want to be raped” debate

Never once have I seen anyone male admiting liking choking or beating, just cringy mommy shit or whatever. Anyways, it's all anecdotal.

Ok and my anecdotes are that men are violent sex pests that get pleasure from seeing women be abused

 

[Group Project Carrier]

Sorry for slightly derailing but something I have noticed is that a few radfems who are antiporn

Funny enough, this is the closest this thread has come to being on-topic in 10 pages or so.

A thing I mentioned earlier that I'm not sure whether you're aware of--you say "a few radfems who are antiporn", but being antiporn is actually one of the primary tenets of the radfem movement. This stance is rooted in concerns about human trafficking, abuse of the actresses, et cetera. If you read testimonies from former or current porn actresses (I could try and dig some up if anyone's really interested), the vast majority of them despise their work. Remember that it's not like acting out, for example, a violent scene in an action movie; whatever happens to a woman in a porno is actually happening to her.

People mention "consensual porn" that women make themselves, but bear in mind that it's not always possible to know exactly what's going on behind the scenes. For instance, I think Amouranth had a boyfriend or husband or something that was forcing her to stream and taking most of her earnings (not quite remembering the full story, but this is the gist of it).

Why am I saying this?
"Porn is so fucking degrading, men get off to women being slapped and choked[...]"

Like, sister... Your average perception of porn is hardcore shit that involves beating and choking, something that is very niche in nature and cannot being found this easily.

This is just not true. I know that certain websites aren't available in certain countries and things like that, so maybe you live somewhere where the internet isn't as uninhibited as it is in America and Western Europe, but finding "hardcore shit" is remarkably easy.

Consider how popular BDSM has become in the past 20 years or so--it may not be a majority of people on a numbers basis, but in either case it's a very loud population. (Take a tour of Reddit and you'll see what I mean.) Where did this come from? From the type of porn like you described, which is so easy to find that--apparently--people often stumble across it as early as age 8.

Don't know how frequent it is but I just wanted to share just to see if it's common or just me.

I couldn't answer this question without knowing roughly where you live. If you're in America, I'd say your experience is pretty unique.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

Ok and my anecdotes are that men are violent sex pests that get pleasure from seeing women be abused

Exactly, because we're not a monolith and we do not share the same life experiences. Your anecdotes about men being violent sex pests is just as correct as mine about a few radfems being exposed as hypocrites.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Sorry for slightly derailing but something I have noticed is that a few radfems who are antiporn (they have their reasons, not criticizing) tend to accidentally expose themselves as degens. Why am I saying this?
"Porn is so fucking degrading, men get off to women being slapped and choked[...]"

Like, sister... Your average perception of porn is hardcore shit that involves beating and choking, something that is very niche in nature and cannot being found this easily. Specially nowadays that most porn is made on Onlyfans.
It's more probable for a guy to crank his hog to Sonic the Hedgehog porn than something like that.
It's almost feels as if they look at these types of content themselves, dislike it and feels ashamed, and then projects it onto others.
I know this is purely anecdotal but I have seen two cases of radfem types sperging about porn being exposed as extreme degenerates themselves. Don't know how frequent it is but I just wanted to share just to see if it's common or just me.

You don't really know how someone has gotten that perception. Your go to assumption that they're consuming it is one possibility. The fact that they themselves or someone they know willingly or unwillingly participated in the production of such porn is another possibility. There's like twenty other possibilities.

Never once have I seen anyone male admiting liking choking or beating

Then you're very out of touch.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/08/sexual-choking-is-now-so-common-that-many-young-people-dont-think-it-even-requires-consent-thats-a-problem

 

[Mankirk]

I guess my qualm with men is that they aren’t actively trying to fix the faggot problem. So they’re failing us by allowing trannies to step all over us. These troons are men, so men should probably make a stand against them.

Only leftist men have anything north of resentment for trannies. Your problems lie with the government and society's normalization of them. Government and society are the only things stopping based moids from stomping out weirdos going into women's bathrooms.

 

[skekChuck]

Only leftist men have anything north of resentment for trannies. Your problems lie with the government and society's normalization of them. Government and society are the only things stopping based moids from stomping out weirdos going into women's bathrooms.

This is why the second amendment is important for women. It should be considered an act of aggression for a troon to walk into a female-only space.

Normalize practical self-defense for women.

This is my boomer take.

This stance is rooted in concerns about human trafficking, abuse of the actresses, et cetera. If you read testimonies from former or current porn actresses (I could try and dig some up if anyone's really interested), the vast majority of them despise their work.

I wish this was just a normal fucking opinion with people.
I am not a redfem but I am super against porn. It’s incredibly harmful.

Women are brainwashed into thinking it’s real work, no it’s not you’re being convinced by Jewish men that it is. Fuck that shit.

Right, but what you don't seem to get is that your rageposting makes you just as pathetic as incels who rant about raping women on sluthate all day. No one's impressed by it, you just appear unhinged.

Autism is one hell of a drug.

It actually makes sense with this behavior. So let the tard be a tard for a bit.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

set up a “women all secretly want to be raped” debate

Amazing how you're doing the same thing as those 2 women. I never, ever implied that all women secretly want to be raped, what the fuck.
Some people just cannot accept the kinks they have and are so ashamed of it that they lash out their anger on others. All in all, I feel bad when touching the subject of feminism because I really don't want to be mean.

 

[Mankirk]

Perhaps assert.

Women lol

The truth is more nuanced. Feminists tolerated trannies for a time (at least I did), but there's a breaking point for all of us. I reached mine, and many other women have reached theirs.

I never did, so you are more guilty of this problem than me, a moid. Own your part of it at least, I didn't make you play nice with men taking hormones.

I don't wish harm on trans people. I don't even want to purposely upset them, but I'm weary of being told to fight their fight for them (the fight for say, drag queen story hour), when I do not see trans people showing up to fight for feminist issues that only affect real, natal women.

Then stop bitching about men in your spaces, because guess what it's going to take. Purposely upsetting them. And until you share a shred of the animosity you have towards penis-kind towards transwomen, you won't change anything.

I've no interest in playing kick the autistic with mentally ill men. It's their life and their penis, I just get irritated when they won't shut up about it and try to grab center stage and make feminism all about them, which is what all males do, except for Dyn, and I'm starting to have doubts about him (her?). I just feel bad for the pooners tbh, it's 100% butch flight and they'll never be real boys.

If you won't do anything about it socially, don't complain when nothing changes the way you want it to. Maybe you should ask a moid for help and support his actions.

Ok now go post this shit in threads with men calling to rape women and take away our rights. Since you’re so offended by the evil misandry

Some men can't be saved, and the final solution to noncery doesn't take place online.

I don’t care if my experience isn’t universal it’s my experience lol I don’t care if others don’t relate. I used to believe that it wasn’t all men until I heard men say it in real life. Now I don’t care

Ok and my anecdotes are that men are violent sex pests that get pleasure from seeing women be abused

Pick better men to surround yourself with, it's one of the most important skills for a young lady like yourself, and you have been given a lot of agency in this area

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Amazing how you're doing the same thing as those 2 women. I never, ever implied that all women secretly want to be raped, what the fuck.
Some people just cannot accept the kinks they have and are so ashamed of it that they lash out their anger on others. All in all, I feel bad when touching the subject of feminism because I really don't want to be mean.

i said you’re setting up that argument. Your posts about how women who don’t like seeing women be abused in porn secretly like it and masturbate to it was sowing the seeds for the more misogynistic posters here to say “just like feminists keep sperging about rape because they secretly want to be dominated by a man” that they ALWAYS bring up in posts like these. You may not have done that on purpose but it would have led to that. These sorts of discussions bring out the same 5 misogynistic talking points and that’s a very big ome, it’s all been said and done before. Oh and stop with your fake ass sympathy whoring men give zero fucks about being mean to women and do not feel bad at all about shitting on women Or our civil,rights. If you didn’t want to be mean you would have shut the fuck and not be posting on a tranny murder site in the first place

Autism is one hell of a drug.

It actually makes sense with this behavior. So let the tard be a tard for a bit.

yep I’m going to

Pick better men to surround yourself with, it's one of the most important skills for a young lady like yourself, and you have been given a lot of agency in this area

I worked with them and went to school with them

 

[Mankirk]

I worked with them and went to school with them

Curse you feminism!

 

[Lidl Drip]

Sorry for slightly derailing but something I have noticed is that a few radfems who are antiporn (they have their reasons, not criticizing) tend to accidentally expose themselves as degens. Why am I saying this?
"Porn is so fucking degrading, men get off to women being slapped and choked[...]"

Like, sister... Your average perception of porn is hardcore shit that involves beating and choking, something that is very niche in nature and cannot being found this easily. Specially nowadays that most porn is made on Onlyfans.
It's more probable for a guy to crank his hog to Sonic the Hedgehog porn than something like that.
It's almost feels as if they look at these types of content themselves, dislike it and feels ashamed, and then projects it onto others.
I know this is purely anecdotal but I have seen two cases of radfem types sperging about porn being exposed as extreme degenerates themselves. Don't know how frequent it is but I just wanted to share just to see if it's common or just me.

I know you are a man cause this is actually how men's brains work. Hating something makes you horny, men coined terms like "hatefucking" cause men are so depraved they would even fuck people they hate. Men lose a game of Overwatch and then look up characters from the game that beat them being raped. This is how MEN work.

I genuinely do not like porn. Never have. When I was young and found out porn was a thing I watched it just like everyone else my age cause "You're supposed to like it". Never liked it. Never watched it since. I have zero desire to see two strangers bumping their uglies together. The reason radfems bring up women being choked and slapped etc is because it empathizes how violent porn is and you as a man trying to deny this is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Like AmberHeardSupporter said, you just want to bring up the "huehuehue women actually all dream about being raped" argument dumb moids always make. Not true, obviously. Doesn't even need to be said.

Also choking/spitting is so widespread that it's literally become a meme among millennials and zoomers that they call others "vanilla" if you don't want to be choked during sex. Women in women-only spaces share horrific stories from men they have slept with trying to do degen porn shit with them all the time. Men are utterly ruined by porn.

Anyways, kill yourself.

 

[Freya]

THIS is the kind of feminist posting thia thread needs

 

[Group Project Carrier]

Since we're on the topic, I have a question for the women of this thread: for those of you who are anti-trans and anti-porn (on an ideological level, i.e. believing that no amount of any intensity is "okay"), what keeps you away from radical feminism and/or identifying yourself with the movement?

I'd be interested to know since there's some variation of ideas in here.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

and you as a man trying to deny this is utterly ridiculous and laughable

Yes. We are a monolith and all women want 7 foot tall chads, all Jews are conspiring against the gentiles, and all blacks are potential criminals.
Yes, generalizing a large percentage of the world population is totally not an autistic thing that people with low emotional intelligence do.
Notice how I'm only using those 2 women as an example and I am not even criticizing radfems as a group, their hate for porn is reasonable. I just think it's weird how there's a lot of porn categories and they're overfocusing specifically on one type that men don't even like as much.
It's like complaining that porn is bad because there's a lot of animals on it.
Like... what the hell have you been watching? Mind telling us?

 

[Lidl Drip]

all women want 7 foot tall chads, all Jews are conspiring against the gentiles, and all blacks are potential criminals

Literally all true tho tbh.

they're overfocusing specifically on one type that men don't even like as much

Porn production is centered around what men like. It certainly isn't made for women or with women in mind. Everything about porn is geared towards men. Anal sex is one of THE MOST popular search term for pornography, even tho anal sex is degenerate and violent by it's nature alone. The whole study about "women like rape porn tho durr hurr" is based on PornHub reporting "categories women watch" which they do ZERO VERIFICATION if the people who click "woman" as a gender when creating their account are actually women.

WHY DO YOU THINK WOMEN WHO HATE PORN FOCUS ON VIOLENT PORN? Can your logical big male brain figure this out? Is it because perhaps it is promoting violence towards women? Because women are violated to create it? Do you really need me to spell this out for you? If porn was all two people consensually sharing their romantic lovemaking then I think there would be a lot less issues with it, but that's not what it is.

It's like complaining that porn is bad because there's a lot of animals on it.

Tell me why men can't shut the fuck up about white women fucking dogs then?

 

[Group Project Carrier]

Yes, generalizing a large percentage of the world population is totally not an autistic thing that people with low emotional intelligence do.

Ad hominem speedrun any%

At this point I can see you're just bad-faithing it up in here, but I'll just bring up this one more thing. You talk about "generalizations". To say that those are bad in general is technically true, but bringing them up in this particular scenario is disingenuous and I'm sure you know that.

But if the percentage of men reported to regularly view porn is frequently reported at 90% or more, and 88% of porn contains some degree of violence against the women involved, is it still a generalization or does it just become fact? (Yes, those are real numbers.) Technically it would be a "generalization" to say that humans have 4 limbs--some people are amputees, and some people are born with amelia. But in most contexts it would be considered a fact to say, "Humans have 2 arms and 2 legs". Because most of us do.

Notice how I'm only using those 2 women as an example and I am not even criticizing radfems as a group, their hate for porn is reasonable. I just think it's weird how there's a lot of porn categories and they're overfocusing specifically on one type that men don't even like as much.
It's like complaining that porn is bad because there's a lot of animals on it.
Like... what the hell have you been watching? Mind telling us?

If your post had been phrased as, "These 2 women were hypocritical about this thing, what's that about?" that would have been one matter. But you were phrasing it as, "Some antiporn radfems seem like they're projecting when they express disapproval of violent porn. What's that about?" which immediately means that you're applying it, in your mind, to more than just those 2 women. And literally at the end of your post you accuse a random woman on the internet of also being into degen porn. Please be consistent.

 

[Mankirk]

Tell me why men can't shut the fuck up about white women fucking dogs then?

Wonderfully stated. I've always hated that meme, and it stuck hardest with the lowest quality men. It's a vile slander against the most racially faithful demographic in the west.

88% of porn contains some degree of violence against the women involved

That's repulsive, but also not very accurate. If I cared more I'd pick apart their methodology or sampling.

While one study shows 88% of porn depicts violence against women, five other studies estimate between 2% and 36%.

So with those odds, and knowing that the distribution of sadistic porn watching isn't going to be spread equally, it can clearly be shown that it is a niche market. You shouldn't equate porn with sadomasochism, but rather addiction, sexual dysfunction, and dopamine issues.

 

[Group Project Carrier]

That's repulsive, but also not very accurate. If I cared more I'd pick apart their methodology or sampling.

2 percent to 36 percent is quite a wide range. That suggests that there's no single, common criterion for "violence against women" used in every one of those studies.

If one set of criteria yields a total of 2 percent, one yields 36 percent, and another yields 88 percent, my guess is that the third study is counting more things under the umbrella of "violence", which in my mind makes it the more accurate. (Over time there comes a certain desensitization when it comes to these things--what was considered taboo 50 years ago might be commonplace today, etc.)

Also to consider would be the age of those studies--for instance, were they all conducted within the space of a few years, and in the same country? Or were older studies reporting lower rates of violence?

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Since we're on the topic, I have a question for the women of this thread: for those of you who are anti-trans and anti-porn (on an ideological level, i.e. believing that no amount of any intensity is "okay"), what keeps you away from radical feminism and/or identifying yourself with the movement?

I'd be interested to know since there's some variation of ideas in here.

I don’t call myself a radfem because I don’t want to make the movement look bad

So with those odds, and knowing that the distribution of sadistic porn watching isn't going to be spread equally, it can clearly be shown that it is a niche market. You shouldn't equate porn with sadomasochism, but rather addiction, sexual dysfunction, and dopamine issues.

Choking and slapping women is a staple in the vast majority of porn videos even if it’s not the focus. You don’t actually have to search “women being slapped and spit on” to get that sort of content, you can just type something vile but considered to be normal like ”teen” and see her gag, be slapped, be choked etc. the lines between sexual sadism and regular porn have been blurred. Let’s not forget about “stuck” porn being a prominent meme genre of porn that is quite literally softcore rape taken as a joke. Let’s not forget that pornhub had to purge like what, 50 percent of their videos due to trafficking and rape,or the fact that videos with titles like “dumb whore gets abused in her holes” is widely degrading and dehumanizing, or that Xvideos just took the word “forced” off their site like idk 4 years ago. And this is just off the top of my head. Pornography is the filmed abuse, oppression, and degradation of women

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

I know you are a man cause this is actually how men's brains work. Hating something makes you horny, men coined terms like "hatefucking" cause men are so depraved they would even fuck people they hate.

I am male and I have never heard any of my peers or even me into that shit, hatefucking characters just because you lost at Overwatch? Thats new. Hate does not make me feel horny at all, my brain is not wired like that, and again, we're not a monolith just like women.
It almost feels like you're just telling me what you would do if you were male and not actually talking from a male perspective because you did not had male socialization and was not born male.
Either I was very sheltered, or I am just surrounded by guys who have low T, because some of these concepts are batshit insane.