Mass shooting reported at multiple locations in Lewiston, Maine

[Glock 19 Gen 5]

Edit: false alarm, no shooting on the base.

And now there’s a base locked down in New Jersey. It’s a ~10h drive from Maine to NJ.

https://x.com/bnonews/status/1717623169463238795

 

[Asperchewy]

And about the Subarus: It is literally the most popular car in northern New England. These are not riced out sporty models, These are Foresters, Outbacks and Crosstreks. Everyone has them because they are made for the climate and terrain.

Also, 4X4 big boy Fords and Dodge trucks. Winters/mud seasons are brutal on steep inclines up-yonder.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

What moon math are we doing here?

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It's neat how they had to redefine "mass shooting" to mean an incident where four or more people died instead of you know, where more than one person was shot. Words and phrases which have been in common usage for decades suddenly redefined to fit a one-sided political narrative isn't suspicious at all and we shouldn't even notice that happening!

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

It's neat how they had to redefine "mass shooting" to mean an incident where four or more people died instead of you know, where more than one person was shot. Words and phrases which have been in common usage for decades suddenly redefined to fit a one-sided political narrative isn't suspicious at all and we shouldn't even notice that happening!

It's literally the definition, bro. You're the one redefining things.

 

[Calandrino]

And now there’s a base locked down in New Jersey. It’s a ~10h drive from Maine to NJ.

https://x.com/bnonews/status/1717623169463238795

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I'm not a fan of mass murder, but I can recognize when it's being done effectively.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

It's literally the definition, bro. You're the one redefining things.

How long has it been the definition? The FBI has changed it several times when the numbers have been inconvenient and depending which party is in power. It's actually three fatalities now, down from four. They realized that love-triangle shootings where one person kills their spouse and whoever they were cheating with before turning the gun on themsevles really jacked up those "mass shooting" numbers so they lowered it there during the Obama administration.

Before then "mass shooting" meant exactly what it means: more than one person being shot. Murder-suicides used to be classified as mass shootings too. Drive-by gang-bangers spraying bullets were really screwing up the mission so they had to change it to fatalities instead of just being shot. "Mass murder" doesn't have the same ring to it and isn't as effective for the anti-gun crusaders as "mass shooting"

Once you see how you're being manipulated with these word games it's hard to unsee it. Everywhere.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

How long has it been the definition? The FBI has changed it several times when the numbers have been inconvenient and depending which party is in power. It's actually three fatalities now, down from four. They realized that lover-triangle shootings where one person kills their spouse and whoever they were cheating with before turning the gun on themsevles really jacked up those "mass shooting" numbers so they went with that during the Obama administration.

Before then "mass shooting" meant exactly what it means: more than one person being shot. Murder-suicides used to be classified as mass shootings too.

I can't find any source that supports what you're saying. Ironically, your claimed definition is on its face an extremely liberal one, but even the most pearl-clutching ultra-lib sources don't seem to define it that way.

If you want to hate black people no one's stopping you dude. But you're choosing to sperg out about one of the few types of violent crime that mayoids outperform in by all metrics.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

WaPo says police say he used a .308. Probably an M1A.

Dunno. But now they're walking back the claim he was a shooting instructor. If it was a .308, it probably wouldn't be a military-issue, unless it was a SCAR or a 240, which it obviously isn't in those pictures.

It's been addressed a little already, but the .308 is basically the civilian equivalent of the military 7.62 round (IIRC, it's a tiny bit thinner, with maybe some reduction in power and projectile size.) Think AK-47.

They're so similar, it's barely even a mistake to confuse the two. General rule of thumb is you wouldn't want to put the military rounds in a civilian rifle, because they're built to different standards and specifications. But you could easily put a .308 in an AK with minimal problems. Maybe a little jamming.

But it's an extremely popular round for hunting, because it's the big-brother of the .223/5.56 (Think: AR-15/M-16/M-4).

Whatever the gun platform, it really doesn't matter. One AR-10 clone fires about the same as the next, in terms of killing power.

But no, it is not "probably an M1A." By any stretch.

 

[autistic dog]

How long has it been the definition? The FBI has changed it several times when the numbers have been inconvenient and depending which party is in power. It's actually three fatalities now, down from four. They realized that love-triangle shootings where one person kills their spouse and whoever they were cheating with before turning the gun on themsevles really jacked up those "mass shooting" numbers so they lowered it there during the Obama administration.

Before then "mass shooting" meant exactly what it means: more than one person being shot. Murder-suicides used to be classified as mass shootings too. Drive-by gang-bangers spraying bullets were really screwing up the mission so they had to change it to fatalities instead of just being shot. "Mass murder" doesn't have the same ring to it and isn't as effective for the anti-gun crusaders as "mass shooting"

Once you see how you're being manipulated with these word games it's hard to unsee it. Everywhere.

Look bro no one cares if you kill 6 million people as long as you do it one at a time instead of at once.

 

[ForTheHoard]

What moon math are we doing here?

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Chicago has more black mass shooters than that in a year, let alone since '82. Maybe they don't factor in organized crime, kind of like the charts that show white domestic terrorism is higher than any other demographic when you only factor in post 9/11 statistics.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I can't find any source that supports what you're saying....

Then I'll help you:

2013 FBI report defining it to mean four fatalities: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/analysis-recent-mass-shootings
2021 FBI report on active shooters redefining it to three: https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2021-052422.pdf/view

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-is-considered-a-mass-shooting/

What is a mass shooting?

The term “mass shooting” can refer to firearm-related events with various outcomes depending on which definition is being used.

A 2020 article from the National Institute of Justice Journal notes the challenges that arise from the lack of a single definition of the term “mass shooting.” Its authors claim that research is “hampered by a lack of agreement on definitions of critical terms, such as ‘mass shootings’ and ‘mass murders,’ and by the absence of consistent sources of data on mass shootings.”

Further, they note that “The federal criminal code lacks a distinct mass shooting offense; this may help explain why researchers use different terminology, or types of criminal offense, in their analyses of the same phenomenon.”

The Department of Justice, for example, shared a 2013 analysis of mass shootings that defines them as “any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.”

News reports on the number of mass shootings in the US are likely to reference the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that defines a mass shooting as an event with a “minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident.” Many media outlets — such as Reuters, CNN, and the Wall Street Journal — reference this definition of mass shooting. According to that tally, the US has experienced nearly 400 mass shootings so far this year.

Hell even Wikipedia says there is no real definition so just go with whatever advances your political agenda on a given day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting

There are a variety of definitions of a mass shooting:[10][11]

• Mass Shooting Tracker, a crowdsourced data site cited by CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Economist, the BBC, etc., defines a mass shooting as any incident in which four or more people are shot, whether injured or killed.[12][13]
• CBS defines a mass shooting as an event involving the shooting (not necessarily resulting in death) of five or more people (sometimes four)[14] with no cooling-off period.[12][14][15]
• Mother Jones defines a mass shooting as an indiscriminate rampage in a public place, resulting in three or more victims killed by the attacker, excluding gang violence, armed robbery, and attacks by unidentified perpetrators.[5][4]
• Crime violence research group Gun Violence Archive, whose research is used by major American media outlets, defines a mass shooting as having a "minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident," differentiating between a mass shooting and mass murder and not counting shooters as victims.[16]

There are also different definitions of the term mass killing:

• Under U.S. federal law, the Attorney General – on a request from a state – may assist in investigating "mass killings", rather than mass shootings. The term is defined as the murder of four or more people with no cooling-off period[17][11] but redefined by Congress in 2013 as being the murder of three or more people.[18]
• In "Behind the Bloodshed", a report by USA Today, a mass killing is defined as any incident in which four or more were killed, including familial killings.[19] This definition is also used by the Washington Post.[20]
• According to the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012, signed into law in January 2013, a mass killing is defined as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator.[21][22]

The lack of a single definition can lead to alarmism in the news media, with some reports conflating categories of different crimes.[23][24][25]

An act of mass shooting is typically defined as terrorist when it "appears to have been intended" to intimidate or to coerce people;[26] although a mass shooting is not necessarily an act of terrorism solely by itself.[2]

 

[nonnita]

I can't archive or do fuck all but post the link right now, the news managed to find an elderly faggot in a wig true and honest woman to describe what happened.

https://youtu.be/RRf1UnOiL2A?si=xqUxGDGlkN5YYRyt

Someone please archive.

 

[Negative Toxic Loser]

Think AK-47

I love my Russian AK-47 chambered in 7.62 NATO.

 

[gay]

moments before amassing a 5-star wanted level.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

They're so similar, it's barely even a mistake to confuse the two. General rule of thumb is you wouldn't want to put the military rounds in a civilian rifle, because they're built to different standards and specifications. But you could easily put a .308 in an AK with minimal problems. Maybe a little jamming.

AK-47's shoot 7.62x39 not 7.62 NATO (7.62x51 / .30. An AK won't even chamber it, which is good because the 7.62 NATO round would cause the chamber to explode.

 

[ForTheHoard]

But you could easily put a .308 in an AK with minimal problems. Maybe a little jamming.

Most AK platforms are 7.62x39. .308 is 7.62x51. They're not interchangeable. 7.62x51 is significantly longer and more powerful, and more frequently used in DMRs (sniper rifles). The head spacing of an AK wouldn't not allow you to chamber a 7.62 NATO round. The chamber pressure of 7.62 NATO is also about 6,000psi more, so if you were somehow able to get it to chamber, you'd probably destroy the rifle as a result.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

2013 FBI report defining it to mean four fatalities: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/analysis-recent-mass-shootings
2021 FBI report on active shooters redefining it to three: https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2021-052422.pdf/view

I'll help you out with what you originally said: It's neat how they had to redefine "mass shooting" to mean an incident where four or more people died instead of you know, where more than one person was shot. That's what I'm addressing. You haven't given any source to suggest that was ever the working definition by any authority.

How exactly does changing the definition from four fatalities to three change the racial demographics of the shooters?

And then you close by saying there's no agreed upon definition. So...who cares? What are you actually mad about? Do you smell toast?

 

[AStupidMonkey]

AK-47's shoot 7.62x39 not 7.62 NATO (7.62x51 / .30. An AK won't even chamber it, which is good because the 7.62 NATO round would cause the chamber to explode.

Oh fuck off. AK platforms shoot everything these days.

But sure, have fun stocking up on russian ammunition, I guess. lol

 

[Negative Toxic Loser]

AK-47's shoot 7.62x39 not 7.62 NATO (7.62x51 / .30. An AK won't even chamber it, which is good because the 7.62 NATO round would cause the chamber to explode.

To be slightly fair, you can get AK-style rifles chambered in 308. Russia was exporting them pre-ban as the AK-308 and Zastava currently has the M77.

But sure, have fun stocking up on russian ammunition, I guess. lol

7.62x39 is still plentiful, albeit expensive thanks to the war & Russian sanctions. 5.45x39 is a bitch to find.

 

[GunCar Gary]

What moon math are we doing here?

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I can't find any source that supports what you're saying. Ironically, your claimed definition is on its face an extremely liberal one, but even the most pearl-clutching ultra-lib sources don't seem to define it that way.

If you want to hate black people no one's stopping you dude. But you're choosing to sperg out about one of the few types of violent crime that mayoids outperform in by all metrics.

that statistic that says yts commit the most mass shootings also claims there have only been 148 mass shootings since 1982

the gunviolencearchive says that there have been about 550 mass shootings just in 2023

so which is it? is it that mass shootings are done primarily by white people but they're extremely, extremely rare or is it that we have dozens of mass shootings every single month but the races of the shooters are just conveniently not included (or unknown, but you can guess what race unknown would be)?