Living Off-Grid Has Shown Me That Modern Society Cannot Function on Renewable Energy

BY PSEUDONAJA TEXTILIS 26 OCTOBER 2023 3:29 PM

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When we moved to our farm on the coast in Victoria Australia over 20 years ago our mains power was delivered by a single wire earth return (SWER) power line and we were the second to last house connected to it. This was just after the misguided privatisation of the power grid delivered this lifeline of civilised existence into the greedy hands of ‘competing’ power companies.

The previously state owned ‘Gold Plated’ system now had to turn a profit for investors so preventative maintenance services were cut.

We began to experience power outages, these were usually brief but occurred at least weekly. They would sometimes extend for hours and more than once for more than a day. With rainwater tanks and an electric pressure supply we couldn’t fill a kettle or flush a toilet.

The first response to this was to install a 5,000 litre tank on a hill 15 metres above the house with a 40 mm pipe to the house. We kept it full and only used it when we had to. One problem solved, but we were still sometimes reduced to kerosene lamps and candles after dark and couldn’t reliably run a freezer to store the food we produced.

So we decided to go off grid. It was a few years before we were fully independent of mains power.

Our system grew over time as finances permitted, technology improved and our experience and knowledge grew.

Now we have two three-bedroom houses 800 metres apart. One is 35 years old and only moderately energy efficient the other is eight years old and optimised for passive solar with excellent insulation, double glazing etc.

Both homes have wood-burning kitchen stoves with boilers for hot water in winter and for hydronic heating. They also have bottled gas stoves and solar hot water with instantaneous gas boost, which is almost never required because the heat exchanger on-stove boiler keeps the tank hot all winter. When the stove is not in use the solar hot water system with its heat exchanger does the job.

We grow all our own firewood. Providing around 100 kg of seasoned hardwood per house per week for the colder months is labour intensive and requires petrol powered chainsaws and a wood splitter.

Each house has its own completely separate power system, each with 30 solar panels of 300-440W capacity, MPPT solar controllers and a 1 kW wind turbine on a 19 metre mast of 80 mm diameter steel tube, stabilised by about 100m of 10mm steel cables and 3.6 cubic metres of concrete.

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Running 24 hours a day the wind generators can sometimes equal the total daily solar input.

The power storage systems consist of a total of 60 German made lead acid gel 2V 600 amp hr batteries, shared between the houses (24 and 36). Each of these batteries weighs 48 kg and currently retails for $474 (AUD). They are rigged in series to provide 24 V power to a computer controlled DC linked inverter/charger. Each house also has an interconnected AC linked inverter/charger that sends 240 V AC power from part of the solar array directly to the house switchboard and also contributes DC charge to the battery bank.

In theory we have three to four days of zero input power supply if we were to flatten the batteries, but in practice we don’t let the batteries drop below 70% capacity in order to protect them and make them last as long as possible. So we are limited to about one day of stored capacity.

Both house systems are close to as optimised as we can get them and represent a total investment of around $160,000.

So how do they perform?

In summer perfectly. We don’t have to do much other than check in with the laptop once a week to monitor the system, and we often take the wind generators offline for extended periods.

In winter, when solar energy input per square metre drops to about 30% of peak summer level and then for only a few hours a day, the systems still work pretty well but require more monitoring involvement.

To some extent power usage can be matched to storage levels and fluctuating input from the wind generator. However, the total renewable input is just too patchy and unreliable so petrol or diesel powered generator backup is absolutely required.

It’s not just in winter, but in autumn especially and sometimes in springtime too. When cloudy skies and windless days persist we need to make recourse to our petrol generators, sometimes everyday for a week at a time to keep the batteries charged and provide peak load supply. The inverters are linked to auto-start the generators as required when the battery voltage drops below a set level or demand rises too high. They often come on in the evenings and have to be sited to minimise noise.

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In the early days it was a case of dishwasher now, washing machine later, maybe tomorrow etc. and minimal use of electricity to heat things. Nowadays such restrictions on usage are limited to days when the generator starts to automatically kick in – we take that as a signal to check the system and ease off to save on fuel.

The generators have to be looked after and kept fuelled-up ready to go at all times. We have several of them, including a 70-year-old Lister JP 1/9 Startomatic – a 9 hp single cylinder water-cooled diesel running a 1,500 rpm 6.25 kVA generator that was retrieved from a sheep station in NSW. I recently substantially rebuilt it in my workshop with original spare parts. It is a magnificent 1.4 tonnes of the best of British engineering; it works perfectly and will soon be connected. The other repurposed diesel generator I’m working on is a solid old 1,500 rpm ST-6 designed for nonstop use in a commercial fishing boat. It will be driven by a 10hp air-cooled Yanmar L100N until I can find another auto-start Lister diesel for it. These will both soon take over from two two Honda 6kVA petrol gensets currently connected to the systems and will be about half the cost to run. Most years the annual generator run time is around 60-100 hours at each house but it’s as unpredictable as the weather.

After 20 years the first of our solar panels have started to fail and have been replaced. Rather than dump them into landfill because they can’t be recycled, I’m planning on using them to make north-facing sun traps for heat loving plants in our big vegetable garden.

Renewable energy systems should more honestly be called replaceable energy systems. None of the components can be expected to work for more than 25 years and often a much shorter time than that.

It is the journey as much as the destination. Producing our own power fits with our overall ethos of self reliance. We produce our own free range poultry and eggs and, in a good year, most of our fruit and vegetables. We breed Wiltshire sheep and buy in beef weaners, then we butcher, pack and freeze our own meat supply which we can supplement with hunting and offshore fishing.

Extrapolating from our renewable energy experience, anyone who thinks that a modern society can function with a power grid that runs on just solar and wind power without fossil fuel or nuclear backup that’s able to immediately provide up to 100% of power needs on cloudy, still days and dark, windless nights, is totally deluded!

And getting grid-scale lithium ion battery storage to provide the sort of supply time that we have on our farm would cost trillions of dollars, deplete the planet’s non-renewable resources to the point of imminent exhaustion and then it would have to be done all over again in 10 years.

It matters nought that you have massive renewable generation capacity if you can’t store power for extended periods.

So you can have all the wind and solar farms you want, but without fossil fuel or nuclear back up you’ll need to buy a good supply of warm blankets and candles if you don’t want to be spending a lot of time shivering in the dark.

The author was a part-time specialist medical practitioner until he refused to be injected with the experimental gene-based Covid vaccines just over two years ago and was sacked. Now he’s a fulltime peasant farmer who values his privacy and prefers to remain anonymous.

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When we moved to our farm on the coast in Victoria Australia over 20 years ago our mains power was delivered by a single wire earth return (SWER) power line and we were the second to last house connected to it. This was just after the misguided privatisation of the power grid delivered this lifeline of civilised existence into the greedy hands of ‘competing’ power companies.

The previously state owned ‘Gold Plated’ system now had to turn a profit for investors so preventative maintenance services were cut.

Dipshit socialist learns raw input and output numbers matter but doesn't extend that to services and products provided by markets :stupid:
 
At the moment, I don't really see the benefit of solar and wind at an individual scale and widespread. The systems for it to be actually useful are just too expensive still. However, if developers of neighborhoods/apartments started adopting solar/wind farm technologies and techniques alongside water and rain collection services into their neighborhood designs, well, now ya got my interest. Heck, be a neighborhood and powerplant, if the neighborhood sells back enough electricity pay the residents as an incentive to actually follow reasonable energy practices. This'll probably not happen in my lifetime or start happening when I'm too old to care.
 
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The power storage systems consist of a total of 60 German made lead acid gel 2V 600 amp hr batteries, shared between the houses (24 and 36). Each of these batteries weighs 48 kg and currently retails for $474 (AUD).
I can't get past this part of the article without thinking this person is just retarded. For the 24 cell house that is two sets of series'd cells giving you 24v and a whopping 1200ah. For 11,376 Dollarydoos. If only there was a more convenient option.
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For the same price one could get ~47.6 of these. For convenience and comfy numbers let's say they cut a bulk deal or come up with the extra scratch for 48. You need to wire pairs in series for 24v, we get 24 pairs, and each one is offering 100ah. Parallel those and we get 24v/2400ah for the same exact price. Only slightly heavier at 1,344kg compared to the 1,152kg. Assuming we weren't working with complete retards we could also go with 36 of the "Century Deep Cycle Battery N70T" which is 12v/102ah and not sealed (strangely difficult to find in AUS). More expensive per-cell at 315 dollarydoos but we still get 1,836ah at the same price and we can service the batteries instead of replacing an AGM/SLA unit. This might be my racism talking but I think Australian-made is probably more suited to off-grid 'Stralia living than some over-complicated German nonsense.

The batteries are the only thing they give enough information to find the exact model (BAE PVV 2V VRLA Gel Batteries). However I'm just going to assume they spent their money on equally stupid inverters, chargers, and probably even the panels/windmills*. I agree with the overarching point about society but if it's not working for his edge case I'm assuming it's just because he's a dipshit.

In any other non-autistic application a "turbine" is almost always in some kind of housing and frequently has more than one row of blades. We already have a term for something that isn't ducted and only has one row of blades to convert wind into useful rotational energy- a windmill. Grinding grain, pumping water, or making electricity, that's still exactly what it is. Don Quixote didn't even hate windmills as much as these poindexters hate the term, and he had batshit insanity as an excuse.
 
Between this and the coming crisis of millions of junked EVs with toxic batteries in coming years, the Green Energy scam is going to cause a massive waste problem.
There will be a major fire in the west coast caused by an electric car. It’s a matter of when not if.
 
This seems like a lot of wood for heating a house in Australia.
Most people waaaaaaay underestimate how quickly you literally burn through wood when you're burning it for strictly utilitarian purposes. Likely the guy's house isn't properly insulated either.

Don't know the climate of the antipodes that well, though. Any Aussies care to tell how cold it gets in rural coastal Victoria during the winter months?

Also this thread is like a treasure trove in showing me all the shit I don't know that I didn't know I should probably know.
 
Duh. Most windmills in Germany actually run on a deficit.
Hydroelectric dams work, but they are hell on the enviroment.
Solar Power is a meme.

Nuclear Power is the only longtime option.
Solar Power works when it's sunny and the panels can see the sun without obstruction.

That said there is a literal hard limit on the efficiency of a silicon solar panel called the Shockley–Queisser limit which is a maximum theoretical efficiency of 33.16%. The amount of solar energy hitting the Earth surface in 1 sq meter is about 1100 watts a day. You're getting 1/3 if that at BEST.

The best solar panels on earth are ... ~29-30% in optimal conditions.

SOLAR is fine for a few led bulbs or something with a light power draw. Anything else and you're SoL.
 
Don't know the climate of the antipodes that well, though. Any Aussies care to tell how cold it gets in rural coastal Victoria during the winter months?
Some areas of Victoria get overnight lows approaching 0C over winter. Coastal areas tend to stay above freezing, whereas higher up you'll get snow. Average house sizes in Oz are some of the largest in the world, also. The climate there is comparable to where I live and burning 15Kg of wood a day/night to keep the house warm over winter is well within believeable amounts. We get through at least 40Kg on the coldest winter nights with a 15Kw burner, it's a daily task to haul in 2-6 x 20Kg bags of wood.
 
This sums up the problem I have with renewable energy. You can't control supply and thus you have to shed load when your power generation goes down. This probably works out alright in their situation as they're in control of everything on their system. They can shut off the A/C or not run the dishwasher when their UPS Battery Bank is running low.

Taking this to a macro scale, you can't force without massive intrusion by government entities either through rolling blackouts and/or smart devices that will not allow you to run certain devices when the grid is underperforming.

In a previous life, I spent a few years commissioning offshore oil rigs and ended up getting tasked with writing the Black and Cold Start Procedures for these things. These were not small rigs but they had much much larger battery banks than what this guy is describing (hundreds of batteries) and it could run hotel loads on the hull and topsides for an hour while monitoring the rigs condition (and I think I'm being overly generous with timeframe here). You weren't spinning a pump to reballast or bilge and you weren't ventilating the hull on this thing... you had emergency lights and the DCS.

The Emergency Generator, which was not huge, had significantly more power. When it was up, you could handle hotel loads, ventilate the hull and I think you could run a pump or two to get her back level if you needed to. You'd use that to fire the big gas turbines and bring the old girl back on-line.

If it takes you 60 batteries to power a rather spartan homestead (and you're still shedding load when your power generation is operating at less than peak performance), what does it take to power a city block without having to shed load (because I'm running my motherfucking heater in the winter and my A/C in the summer). What happens when you are operating below peak for days or months without the convenience of firing up a generator (because we're not going to have natural gas or diesel in the new green utopia they're trying to sell us).

Without the ability to increase your capacity to meet load, we're going to take a hell of a hit to our standard of living.
 
There will be a major fire in the west coast caused by an electric car. It’s a matter of when not if.

Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five cars

All it takes is for this to happen in a rural location and you get a bushfire. Power lines already start bushfires and some of those are absolutely apocalyptic.


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Here's a home battery storage system that went pop and nobody knows why yet. That looks like the supposedly less volatile LiFePO batteries as well, which is interesting.
 
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but if you can’t make it work full time in Australia then you can’t make it work most places .
Yup. There is actually a useful website:
Solar & Wind should peak in Jan. Coal&Gas is almost never turned off and in winter Coal&Gas dominate in all states.
The problem is that to the greentards, Nuclear is significantly worse than coal or oil.1
The problem is that Australia has the most Uranium, Coal and Gas; 50% or more of Australia's GDP is dependent on Coal and Gas so you are asking an economy that depends on shipping millions of tonnes of fuel to ship instead thousands of tonnes in Uranium is probably a big ask. So that makes the Greenies very useful idiots.
 
Without the ability to increase your capacity to meet load, we're going to take a hell of a hit to our standard of living.
Yup, without some breakthrough in grid storage or(/and) significant deployment of nuclear, the idea of 24/7 unlimited household power access and zero(/negative) carbon is a pipe dream. Ultimately there looks to be no clear way forward to maintain our standard of living that meets our carbon goals. Of course, much like the population issue, broaching the topic of a deliberate reduction (in population or living standards) is political suicide. Reality is though that long enough without a solution, that reduction happens anyway, just too late and in an unplanned manner.
 
Ultimately there looks to be no clear way forward to maintain our standard of living that meets our carbon goals.
I'm pretty sure that's the actual point of the carbon targets: they can cause the power grid to collapse, then say "Oh look all these evil capitalist private power companies can't keep the lights on, it's a Market Failure ™️" which is, as always, a roundabout way of saying government policy turned out to be a load of crap. That's the in to nationalise everything and force a return to pre-industrial standards of living.
 
People who know what they are talking about have only been trying to tell everybody since the beginning.

The eco and green ghouls don't care.. even worse than not care.. they would welcome a shift to this system and then society finding out the truth once it's too late. In fact there's a good chance they are hoping/planning for this!

Also this is yet another example of privatizing done retarded. It should only be allowed for basic services under the direct and express legal mandate for certain quality of service. And of course guaranteed continuation of such services.
 
This person’s efforts are cool and I applaud them for trying it out. What bothers me are the extreme green crowd that have no fucking clue how society operates. Like they seriously don’t know that crude oil itself doesn’t just make gasoline (if they know that much at all), but powers jets, creates plastics, is heavily involved in pharmaceutical production, is the base material for many clothes, makes industrial adhesives, and so on. Ironically enough they’d probably not last a month in a world without oil.
 
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