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Two days left, almost $40K remaining to be raised, if anything this should clue people in that there's no market for this so "investors" wouldn't be interested.
Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows
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Only a small handful of updates from the randos
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So thats where my shower curtain went.
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I did not know Evie had a blog. HAS a blog! Here’s a little morsel, an apéritif if you will, of the delusion that drives her. This is one post that she wrote less than one year ago. I just picked at random and read. Knowing English is her first language makes the spelling errors and weird word choices even better, complete with misplaced acronyms and self quoting. Ladies and fags, I give you: WLS or Not! A post in eight parts.
Now; Imagine me, waving my arms franticly in a room of semi and fully-fat women… “Excuse me Excuse me is fat revolution over? Why didn’t anyone send me the memo?” (This is honestly how I and a few others have felt lately.)
Aside from feeling full and not being full-filled, not being able to eat and drink comfortably, having vitamin deficiencies your body may have the rest of Your lives and this is only the beginning. There is another aspect, I truly believe weight loss is something we can do with the same results without being so lifetime altering.in negative ways.
(Insert quote from “Radom WLD sight” here)
You might point out here that Evie you gained your weight back how is that different from the people that gained theirs back after WLS? I would like to remind you that for one, I did not alter my insides, and I did not have some of the health concerns that WLS and weight gain can have after a great loss can cause.
Evie of all people casting judgement from her permanent wheelchair is just sending me.
I am a fat girl and for me, I do not need to be thin. Let that sink in. It is no different from skinny women not wanting to be fat. When I was in the 400 to 450 range I had a healthy state, a state of comfort in my body (which means I could walk, hike, shop, drive, play with kids, clean my house, and do just about anything I wanted with little pain and distress in my body).
At the time my almost 2 months to go wedding dress last fitting came around. The dress which had been altered was too big. We added padding in every place we could but it was still too big and could not be changed anymore. So, I gained about 50 lbs. in almost 2 months (Yes that can be done). Turns out that with that 50 lbs. not only did my dress fit, my knees and back stopped hurting as much. I would stay between 400 and 420 for the next 4 years.
I am not in the right headspace and I imagine I would never be. I have lost friends to WLS. I have watched friends drop all their weight in mere months with WLS and then gain twice as much back. I have watched as younger people have WLS and come out the end looking twice their age. I have seen children lose their parents, mothers and fathers angry that they encouraged their adult children to get these surgeries because it killed them. I have also watched and known people that never had any luck with WLS because it is not a miracle worker. News flash it takes work. Even if you do not exercise, you must take vitamins, watch your sugar, your electrolytes, and so much more including not overeating, which in case you do not know can all be very time-consuming and mentally exhausting.
Who knows all these people having this specific surgery? Not very HAES of you, Evie.
What I think does not matter. What your doctor says does not matter. It is what you want that matters and what you are willing to risk. Remember No one will have more of your best interest than you. I would say Do not do it because it seems like a thing people are doing recently.
What.
She then states she is trying to lose weight but won’t talk about it in her “main” content. Apparently, she was up to 650 during COVID but yes, better stop listening to your doctors because even her mental health counselor told her to drop some pudge. Whatever nerds, I know what’s right for me. I have no time to track my electrolytes and not overeat, that’s for people with more time and spoons than my unemployed ass. 450 is my baseline weight. Sorry, shitlords, no WLS for me!
What a fucking read.
Now; Imagine me, waving my arms franticly in a room of semi and fully-fat women… “Excuse me Excuse me is fat revolution over? Why didn’t anyone send me the memo?” (This is honestly how I and a few others have felt lately.)
Aside from feeling full and not being full-filled, not being able to eat and drink comfortably, having vitamin deficiencies your body may have the rest of Your lives and this is only the beginning. There is another aspect, I truly believe weight loss is something we can do with the same results without being so lifetime altering.in negative ways.
(Insert quote from “Radom WLD sight” here)
You might point out here that Evie you gained your weight back how is that different from the people that gained theirs back after WLS? I would like to remind you that for one, I did not alter my insides, and I did not have some of the health concerns that WLS and weight gain can have after a great loss can cause.
Evie of all people casting judgement from her permanent wheelchair is just sending me.
I am a fat girl and for me, I do not need to be thin. Let that sink in. It is no different from skinny women not wanting to be fat. When I was in the 400 to 450 range I had a healthy state, a state of comfort in my body (which means I could walk, hike, shop, drive, play with kids, clean my house, and do just about anything I wanted with little pain and distress in my body).
At the time my almost 2 months to go wedding dress last fitting came around. The dress which had been altered was too big. We added padding in every place we could but it was still too big and could not be changed anymore. So, I gained about 50 lbs. in almost 2 months (Yes that can be done). Turns out that with that 50 lbs. not only did my dress fit, my knees and back stopped hurting as much. I would stay between 400 and 420 for the next 4 years.
I am not in the right headspace and I imagine I would never be. I have lost friends to WLS. I have watched friends drop all their weight in mere months with WLS and then gain twice as much back. I have watched as younger people have WLS and come out the end looking twice their age. I have seen children lose their parents, mothers and fathers angry that they encouraged their adult children to get these surgeries because it killed them. I have also watched and known people that never had any luck with WLS because it is not a miracle worker. News flash it takes work. Even if you do not exercise, you must take vitamins, watch your sugar, your electrolytes, and so much more including not overeating, which in case you do not know can all be very time-consuming and mentally exhausting.
Who knows all these people having this specific surgery? Not very HAES of you, Evie.
What I think does not matter. What your doctor says does not matter. It is what you want that matters and what you are willing to risk. Remember No one will have more of your best interest than you. I would say Do not do it because it seems like a thing people are doing recently.
What.
She then states she is trying to lose weight but won’t talk about it in her “main” content. Apparently, she was up to 650 during COVID but yes, better stop listening to your doctors because even her mental health counselor told her to drop some pudge. Whatever nerds, I know what’s right for me. I have no time to track my electrolytes and not overeat, that’s for people with more time and spoons than my unemployed ass. 450 is my baseline weight. Sorry, shitlords, no WLS for me!
What a fucking read.
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I’m fully mind boggled and glad bed time is soon,
What the hell; semi or fully fat? Who decides the distinction? Is one better than the other?
No, I’m not adding this bullshit to my personal lexicon.
Why is she trying so hard to discourage WLS? Yes it comes with a lot of negatives but arguably fewer than heaving around 2-3 extra carcasses on only one frame?
Is she envious of people she knows that had successful WLS? That would be my guess.
What the hell; semi or fully fat? Who decides the distinction? Is one better than the other?
No, I’m not adding this bullshit to my personal lexicon.
Why is she trying so hard to discourage WLS? Yes it comes with a lot of negatives but arguably fewer than heaving around 2-3 extra carcasses on only one frame?
Is she envious of people she knows that had successful WLS? That would be my guess.
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Honestly I have to partially agree with her. WLS should be the absolute last resort imo. Considering the complications, deficiencies, and expected actual long term stable weight loss, it doesn't look good unless you've put in a lot of work ahead of time to make sure your habits and addiction is managed. A lot of people who get WLS want it for the easier way out, so according to some long term studies after 20 years, only about 40% who underwent the surgery manage to keep 30% or more of the weight off from where they started. 60% end up in only the 10-20% loss from their initial weight during surgery. So at that point you're still absolutely massive, but now you have GERD and god knows what else, plus probably a follow up surgery at least once.
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Happy Spooky Day from Fat Lib Dwarf
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I appreciate her having fun with it, thank you tiny fat lib dwarf lady. (Also aren't most of the people with her type of dwarfism kind of chunky looking? I can't think of a skinny one, they all seem to be different types of dwarves.)
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Yep. But she specifically runs a channel for HAES though. She hasn't done anything truly insane with it besides the normal shit so never posted about her, but this just so fit halloween.
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“I can vacuum from my chair” pisses me off because it’s worse than useless. So does someone have to move her so that she can vacuum a new crop circle of clean carpet with a dirty patch under the chair every 10 minutes? It’s like letting a little kid “help” except someday they’ll be able to do it themselves.
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A minute or so into that video and I’ve eye rolled myself into a minor headache.
Who says they’re not allowed to “dream big”? Why are they bowing under that mystery pressure?
“We deserve to feel respected, safe and wanted”. I‘ll accept the safe part but respect is earned and hard to give to someone who doesn’t respect themselves enough to look after the one and only body they have. And wanted? You have to be wantable.
Financial accessibility… they think they’re entitled to luxury? I wonder how they’re going to feel about potential staff wanting hefty wages in their fields to compensate for the much harder work they’re going to do?
“The world gate keeps luxury as a tool of oppression.” Oh please, I can’t afford designer anything but don’t feel particularly oppressed. Try redefining luxury to something more attainable… like a better cut of meat for one meal, a rare takeout, a nice hot bubble bath with a good book or even 30 minutes of quiet with your family giving you some me time.
Creating space for people to connect, etc.., Since when does that have to be physical? Internet addresses those needs remarkably well.
Meeting basic ADS requirements is expensive; going beyond that could create unsustainable overhead. Furniture, robes, towels etc need to meet common manufacturing specifications and expecting the travel/holiday corporate world to fill all these ‘needs’ is not dreaming big, it’s dreaming in colour.
“Granted to others by default?” Excuse me?
STOP REFERRING TO BODIES AS DISTINCT FROM THE PERSON.
You were given for the most part, a perfectly good one at birth. It’s up to YOU to care for it instead of insisting the rest of the world make allowances for your neglect.
By not even making their initial crowd fund target, they’re proving to any investor that this is a non-starter.
I’ve only recently become aware of this development in the FA world and having watching that video reinforces my belief that this is beyond pie in the sky dreaming.
By bitchily stating thin, cis retreats wouldn’t face these problems she lets potential investors, (hah!), know the biggest issues wouldn’t necessarily be the endless list of issues that have been detailed in this thread but the attitude of at least this one ‘dreamer’.
Spas, retreats, any sort of travel or holiday ventures are BUSINESSES first and not meant to be financial black holes.
She acknowledges her target customers have less money than most of us living in “standard bodies” yet expects whatever fraction of that audience she’s exposed her idea to to pony up $50k? Then more later.
I love big dreams but despite what Foodie Beauty thinks, dreaming is not a form of planning. She’s done a ton of research so how about sharing some basics like;
Number of potential clients throughout the IS. The percentage of those who can safely travel to WV. Among those, how many can afford such an undertaking - no point in going to a retreat when the travel experience is so exhausting you need a vacation to recover from your holiday,
I’m not saying such an enterprise couldn’t succeed but best left to a corporate entity with experience in all aspects of resort building who are smart enough to hire several of their target clientele to consult on practical accessibility issues.
TL/DR: she’s dreaming in colour and until she gets her personal biases out of the planning process, it’s going to fail much earlier in the process than she “dreamed”.
Who says they’re not allowed to “dream big”? Why are they bowing under that mystery pressure?
“We deserve to feel respected, safe and wanted”. I‘ll accept the safe part but respect is earned and hard to give to someone who doesn’t respect themselves enough to look after the one and only body they have. And wanted? You have to be wantable.
Financial accessibility… they think they’re entitled to luxury? I wonder how they’re going to feel about potential staff wanting hefty wages in their fields to compensate for the much harder work they’re going to do?
“The world gate keeps luxury as a tool of oppression.” Oh please, I can’t afford designer anything but don’t feel particularly oppressed. Try redefining luxury to something more attainable… like a better cut of meat for one meal, a rare takeout, a nice hot bubble bath with a good book or even 30 minutes of quiet with your family giving you some me time.
Creating space for people to connect, etc.., Since when does that have to be physical? Internet addresses those needs remarkably well.
Meeting basic ADS requirements is expensive; going beyond that could create unsustainable overhead. Furniture, robes, towels etc need to meet common manufacturing specifications and expecting the travel/holiday corporate world to fill all these ‘needs’ is not dreaming big, it’s dreaming in colour.
“Granted to others by default?” Excuse me?
STOP REFERRING TO BODIES AS DISTINCT FROM THE PERSON.
You were given for the most part, a perfectly good one at birth. It’s up to YOU to care for it instead of insisting the rest of the world make allowances for your neglect.
By not even making their initial crowd fund target, they’re proving to any investor that this is a non-starter.
I’ve only recently become aware of this development in the FA world and having watching that video reinforces my belief that this is beyond pie in the sky dreaming.
By bitchily stating thin, cis retreats wouldn’t face these problems she lets potential investors, (hah!), know the biggest issues wouldn’t necessarily be the endless list of issues that have been detailed in this thread but the attitude of at least this one ‘dreamer’.
Spas, retreats, any sort of travel or holiday ventures are BUSINESSES first and not meant to be financial black holes.
She acknowledges her target customers have less money than most of us living in “standard bodies” yet expects whatever fraction of that audience she’s exposed her idea to to pony up $50k? Then more later.
I love big dreams but despite what Foodie Beauty thinks, dreaming is not a form of planning. She’s done a ton of research so how about sharing some basics like;
Number of potential clients throughout the IS. The percentage of those who can safely travel to WV. Among those, how many can afford such an undertaking - no point in going to a retreat when the travel experience is so exhausting you need a vacation to recover from your holiday,
I’m not saying such an enterprise couldn’t succeed but best left to a corporate entity with experience in all aspects of resort building who are smart enough to hire several of their target clientele to consult on practical accessibility issues.
TL/DR: she’s dreaming in colour and until she gets her personal biases out of the planning process, it’s going to fail much earlier in the process than she “dreamed”.
FarmVille
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I've thought about what Laura Burns could do in order to make her dream-in-color luxury retreat center fantasy workable in reality. That includes:
Choose a location that's easily accessible from a major airport, and with easy access from an interstate freeway. This is the most important one. The fewer flights involved, and the greater ease of renting a fat-friendly minivan or other disability-equipped vehicle at the airport, should be a total fucking no-brainer. The Canaan Valley is not that, and that Burns keeps rattling on about accessibility while wanting to build in a near-inaccessible location that is exhausting to get to and from is just fucking delusional. Also, the closer it is to a major city, the better the access to medical care, which is absolutely something that she should be taking into account.
Look for a place that's already been built to meet the needs of deathfats and disabled people. A former assisted-living facility on the outskirts of a smaller city or town would be ideal, especially one built from the mid-'90s onward. Construction is already ADA-compliant (or can be brought up to current standards). Since Burns wouldn't be running it as a health-care facility, she'd have a lot more leeway to customize the existing space. They've already got private rooms, a commercial kitchen and laundry, a dining room, plenty of parking, and common areas that can accommodate various-sized gatherings—they're perfect for what she wants. In Flyover America they're usually single-story, on or adjacent to a good-sized piece of land with potential for expansion. Buy one of those, redo the interior decor and landscaping, put in a pool, and it's going to cost a hell of a lot less than building from scratch in a remote location.
Choose a location that can fulfill staffing needs, and has plenty of decent, affordable housing for staff who choose to relocate. There is no way she's going to be able to staff her fantasy retreat center from the local labor pool in the Canaan Valley. But if she was within easy commuting distance of St. Louis, Kansas City, Dallas-Ft. Worth, or the Denver or Chicago metro areas, this wouldn't be such a problem.
Forget the hobby-farm bullshit. I know AWFLs love getting all twee with the country life thing, but it's going to require a lot of additional staff and inputs, and the money is better spent elsewhere—such as investing in the local economy by paying local farmers to provide all the veg, meat, eggs, and other food.
Go for comfort instead of luxury. The word "luxury" conveys very high expectations, and finding staff who can actually deliver that kind of experience is going to cost her—assuming they are willing to come work for her in the first place. She can still provide a warm, welcoming, attractive environment that guests will want to return to again and again; it will cost a lot less to do it; and, oddly enough, the guests—most of whom will have never set foot in an actual luxury hotel, and might find the idea intimidating—are much more likely to be satisfied with their experience.
Make it a resort or hotel, not just a retreat center. Requiring guests to be there as part of a planned, organized event, instead of just letting them come on their own, shuts out a lot of the clientele she claims she wants to serve. Some people just want to get away from home, and want a low-key place they can go for a few days' quiet. Or they want to meet up with their scattered friends or family and just hang out together for a few days, without organizing an event. This could be the place for fat and disabled people to do just that, but making them jump through hoops by pretending it's an event is ridiculous. In hospitality, you want to fill as many rooms as you can every night, and shutting the door on the easiest way to do that is just ridiculous.
Look for a place that's already been built to meet the needs of deathfats and disabled people. A former assisted-living facility on the outskirts of a smaller city or town would be ideal, especially one built from the mid-'90s onward. Construction is already ADA-compliant (or can be brought up to current standards). Since Burns wouldn't be running it as a health-care facility, she'd have a lot more leeway to customize the existing space. They've already got private rooms, a commercial kitchen and laundry, a dining room, plenty of parking, and common areas that can accommodate various-sized gatherings—they're perfect for what she wants. In Flyover America they're usually single-story, on or adjacent to a good-sized piece of land with potential for expansion. Buy one of those, redo the interior decor and landscaping, put in a pool, and it's going to cost a hell of a lot less than building from scratch in a remote location.
Choose a location that can fulfill staffing needs, and has plenty of decent, affordable housing for staff who choose to relocate. There is no way she's going to be able to staff her fantasy retreat center from the local labor pool in the Canaan Valley. But if she was within easy commuting distance of St. Louis, Kansas City, Dallas-Ft. Worth, or the Denver or Chicago metro areas, this wouldn't be such a problem.
Forget the hobby-farm bullshit. I know AWFLs love getting all twee with the country life thing, but it's going to require a lot of additional staff and inputs, and the money is better spent elsewhere—such as investing in the local economy by paying local farmers to provide all the veg, meat, eggs, and other food.
Go for comfort instead of luxury. The word "luxury" conveys very high expectations, and finding staff who can actually deliver that kind of experience is going to cost her—assuming they are willing to come work for her in the first place. She can still provide a warm, welcoming, attractive environment that guests will want to return to again and again; it will cost a lot less to do it; and, oddly enough, the guests—most of whom will have never set foot in an actual luxury hotel, and might find the idea intimidating—are much more likely to be satisfied with their experience.
Make it a resort or hotel, not just a retreat center. Requiring guests to be there as part of a planned, organized event, instead of just letting them come on their own, shuts out a lot of the clientele she claims she wants to serve. Some people just want to get away from home, and want a low-key place they can go for a few days' quiet. Or they want to meet up with their scattered friends or family and just hang out together for a few days, without organizing an event. This could be the place for fat and disabled people to do just that, but making them jump through hoops by pretending it's an event is ridiculous. In hospitality, you want to fill as many rooms as you can every night, and shutting the door on the easiest way to do that is just ridiculous.
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Something that I haven’t seen brought up— sorry if I missed it— but Laura Burns of DeathFat Retreat fame is expecting a baby in January:
Sounds like a potentially high risk pregnancy— by her own admission she’s “41, fat, diabetic, PCOS”— but no, for Laura it’s the perfect time to launch a ludicrous pie-in-the-sky social media campaign to fundraise for The Fatppalacian.
Sounds like a potentially high risk pregnancy— by her own admission she’s “41, fat, diabetic, PCOS”— but no, for Laura it’s the perfect time to launch a ludicrous pie-in-the-sky social media campaign to fundraise for The Fatppalacian.
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"We tried one last time" OK??? So weird to word it like you're never having sex again. Then again, she might not.
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I get wanting to have a child but... let's get real here. Somebody at her age with her ailments shouldn't be trying to have a kid. Not just because of the stress it puts on the body but she'll be lucky to make it to 45. Meaning that child will lose their mother at a very young age.
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Her age, her ailments, and the fact that she's not exactly a pillar of emotional stability or level-headed, rational thinking all make her a lousy candidate for parenthood. So does the fact that this is basically a FOMO baby, the child she admits she had zero interest in having until the choice of having one at all was nearly gone.
Poor kid; to grow up with a wokescold mother whose emotional equilibrium is dependent upon denying reality, and who has grandiose and unrealistic ideas about what she (and people just like her) "deserve"—good luck, wee bean; you're going to need it.
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Care to share these so-called “long term studies” because these are not the figures coming out of national bariatric registers (in countries where they exist) where most WLS patients are registered by their surgeons and their ongoing medical records are accessible to researchers. Also pays to bear in mind that surgery methods, equipment and techniques have come a long way in the past 20 years. These days WLS is a very safe option for the morbidly obese (safer than actually having the general anaesthesia) as long as they follow up with their clinic and have 6-12 monthly bariatric surgery blood panels. 40 years ago 10% of patients died either during surgery or in the early days after surgery. These days it’s about 1 per 200 patients, and even then for many the reason is the general anaesthesia required, not the actual WLS technique. Looking back to results from 20 years ago and assuming that to compare with modern surgery outcomes is like comparing chalk and cheese, which unless your talking about shakey Parmesan fake cheese, is not a fair comparison.
There will always be failures, but they will come from those treating the surgery as a magic bullet rather than a second chance to live with a new lifestyle needed. It also pays to remember that most people undergoing WLS already have a myriad of health issues that, even if resolved by WLS and resultant weight loss, have already taken quite a toll on their vital organs. Some people are just too far gone by the time they have surgery. Having heart bypass surgery won’t necessarily stop a person from dying of a heart attack in the next 20 years either. Does that mean they shouldn’t take the opportunity to prolong their lives if that is their choice?
Gastric bypass is considered the cure for GERD. By its very nature the removal of the pyloric valve from the digestive pathway prevents acid reflux. Unfortunately those opting for VSG (vertical sleeve gastrectomy) are taking a risk with new or existing reflux worsening.
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Turd Fergusson
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In addition to what @I call shenanigans wrote, I think that bariatric clinics are much better in patient selection than previously, which can lead to younger and perhaps fitter patients that would better benefit from the surgery. If you are 200, 300 or 400 pounds over a normal body mass, you have very little options to lose weight; dieting is not one of them.
This is why proper patient selection is essential. Amber was looking at bariatric surgery as an easy way out of obesity, but she was denied surgery as she was not a good candidate by failing the psychology evaluation and perhaps the physical one. Unfortunately, dieting will never work for her.
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Guys we are taking your money we'll get back to you for more and then finally talk to investors maybe at the end of 2024...
