2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

i fucking wonder why when this is how a bunch of randomly selected families from gaza act
Hasn't Gaza essentially been a welfare state for decades now? They get a free education paid for by the Emirates, free food, fuel and water trucked in by the UN and and Free Healthcare by various non-profit charities like MSF and so on. This is the sort of behavior you see from Ghetto niggers in the US where there is this general expectation that everything in society exists to cater to them and they don't have to do anything at all for it.
 
U.S. Drones Are Flying Over Gaza to Aid in Hostage Recovery, Officials Say
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Riley Mellen and Eric Schmitt
2023-11-02 22:50:08GMT
Excerpt:
There appear to be at least six separate MQ-9 aircraft involved in the effort, according to Amelia Smith, an aviation researcher who has been tracking the flights.
 
Wrong. The US also expedited bomb shipments to Israel in 2007 and gave them full reign to do whatever they wanted (remind you of anything?).

Lol hold on.

What sort of sandnigger copium are you high on to think that Israel was somehow under threat of being genocided by sandniggers in 2007?

But it was everybody else's job to keep you from being genocided by sandniggers in all those other wars?

Remember this? The point I challenged you on?

The Yom Kippur War was probably closest, and even then, it wasn't anywhere close to some sandnigger total victory.

Honestly, the closest the Arabs had to total sandnigger victory over the Jews was 1948, where the started the war with three tanks and no aircraft, compared to the leftovers the Arabs had from the British, and even at the start of the war, with Arabs having tanks, field guns, and aircraft galore, still couldn't wipe out the Jews.

Again, if you don't know anything about war you shouldn't comment on it. You can "turn the tide" at any moment you want in any war you want as long as you expend enough munitions to do so, but you aren't fighting in a war in some retarded vacuum where your enemies' logistics and your own don't matter - if you use too much you're not going to have anything to fight the next battle with. Israel didn't have to worry about one of war's most difficult aspects because the Greatest Ally was there, ready to pick up the slack.

The Yom Kippur War played out as it did. The Israelis were already pushing back the Syrians by October 8 (right around when the USSR resupply started) and had pushed the Syrians back to their side of the ceasefire line by October 10. By October 11, the Israelis were 30km from Damascus.

US military resupply didn't start until October 12-13.

So yes, I don't see the US being the pivotal factor in saving Israel during the Yom Kippur War, since they fought off the Syrians (the most dangerous threat to Israel proper) by the 10th.

The Egyptians crossed the Suez and stayed there, not coming anywhere close to Israel proper.

How the war would have played out without US rearmament? No clue. Do I think the Arabs would have had TKD in 73 without US rearmament halfway through the war? Probably not, although the IDF would have performed worse.

You're not even trying to argue against my point by now, you're just admitting I'm right and then making shit up to pretend you could be correct if X thing happened. Yes, I'm sure they tried to sink the US ships instead of attacking the far weaker country they're in an active war with.

Well yea, the US shot half of them down for Israel by your own admission lol.

I don't see how a US ship knocking out a few drones and missiles somehow means that the Israelis results in the Israelis wholly reliant on others to keep them from being genocided.

Worst case scenario, what happens if those two cruise missiles and handful of drones are bypassed or ignored by the US navy? Does the course of the Israel-Hamas war change?

This is why trying to comment on wars without understanding even the basics is fucking retarded.

Here's a basic scenario that anybody with half a brain should be able to understand

Israel does not make their own SAMs. They do not make their own SAM missiles. They do not have enough SAMs purchased from the US to defend themselves properly. This leaves their huge, retarded, still living in 1990 military completely exposed to ballistic missile strikes that could cause massive amounts of casualties not only to regular military units and equipment (not just because the IDF seems utterly inept at modern staging of troops), but also to high-ranking officials and possibly important civilian infrastructure that could help cause a crisis in the country that would help their enemies massively.
Instead of suffering from the consequences of not having enough equipment to adequately defend themselves, the US is running interference for them by shooting down missiles meant for these targets, thereby inserting themselves into this war and essentially declaring war on whoever attacks Israel in the process.

Dude you were one of the retards claiming the IDF totally bombed the hospital 200ish pages back, only for it to become readily apparent it was some sandnigger rocket that crashed into the parking lot.

Let's erase US military aid to Israel (which, again, as a reminder, is basically an indirect subsidy to the US MIC)

We'll go with 2022. The US provides Israel 3.3 billion in US military aid, and an additional 1.5 bil specifically for Israeli missile defense as a part of the various joint programs. 2022 was a special year as it was given an extra 1 billion to replenish Iron Dome, as the missile defense funding generally averaged around 500 million in 2020 and 2021.

The Israeli government budget for 2022 (passed Feb 2021) was about 137.6 bil US, using the exchange rate average for Feb 2021. Do you really think the Israeli government couldn't pull together either 4.8 billion US to fund what the US provides in subsidies? Even if we use today's exchange rate, it'd be around 113.5 billion US. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice chunk of change for the Israelis, but losing said aid won't have the Israeli government go broke/implode.

That domestic industries wouldn't have been tasked to build what SAMs or whatever they might need if they didn't have the US as an arms supplier?
Do you now understand how having some other country shooting down missiles for you is helpful for you or are you going to keep denying that? Or are you just going to keep claiming that Israel would be fine if they had no realistic way to stop even the majority of competent ballistic missile attacks on their territory?

Lol I never argued it wasn't a benefit for Israel, but that assistance, nor previous assistance, doesn't somehow mean the US bailed out Israel from "being genocided by sandniggers in all those other wars" as you claimed.
 
What sort of sandnigger copium are you high on to think that Israel was somehow under threat of being genocided by sandniggers in 2007?
This is your brain on Zionism lol. Please understand this very basic fact: Israel does not exist without the threat of US retaliation in case of serious attack. 2007 proved that Israel was no longer the relative power that it was in previous wars. It was very much possible that, after the humiliation the IDF faced there, other countries would have gotten much more aggressive in response.

You seem to be very eager to completely dismiss the role of the US in Israel's foreign affairs for whatever reason, but there can be no discussion regarding Israel's sovereignty and its wars without the US being involved in them. The Arabs stopped being Soviet-dependent eventually, the Israelis never stopped being US-dependent.

The Yom Kippur War played out as it did. The Israelis were already pushing back the Syrians by October 8 (right around when the USSR resupply started) and had pushed the Syrians back to their side of the ceasefire line by October 10. By October 11, the Israelis were 30km from Damascus.

US military resupply didn't start until October 12-13.
How stupid of a nigger are you? A victory isn't worth jack shit if you can't press it. You can win the biggest, coolest victory that you'll be jerking off to for 1500 years, if you have no ammo with which to press the advantage you've gained, you're not going to beat anyone, and in fact, you're probably going to lose the next time you attack or get attacked because you have no ammo left you mongoloid.

This is literally war 101 you're failing at. Expending many resources for a result that does not guarantee total victory is a bad fucking idea.

The Egyptians crossed the Suez and stayed there, not coming anywhere close to Israel proper.

How the war would have played out without US rearmament? No clue.
Yeah I wonder how the rest of the war would have played out if the Israelis lacked munitions. Real fucking mystery lol

I don't see how a US ship knocking out a few drones and missiles somehow means that the Israelis results in the Israelis wholly reliant on others to keep them from being genocided.
You don't see how a world power stationing ships near Israel when the entire Arab world is clamoring for Israeli blood is stopping Israel from being attacked and, in case of Arab victory, possibly genocided, huh?

Worst case scenario, what happens if those two cruise missiles and handful of drones are bypassed or ignored by the US navy? Does the course of the Israel-Hamas war change?
Yes you thick-headed motherfucker. Do you think those are the only cruise missiles in the Middle East? If Israel shows they can't stop cruise missiles, rockets and loitering munitions then there's no reason for Iran & co to not supply everyone who hates kikes with all sorts of cool amateur rocketry equipment, which means that Israel's military would very quickly find itself fighting a war that it can't win (because THEY DON'T MAKE ANY ROCKETS OR MISSILES THEMSELVES OTHER THAN A SMALL AMOUNT).

Dude you were one of the retards claiming the IDF totally bombed the hospital 200ish pages back, only for it to become readily apparent it was some sandnigger rocket that crashed into the parking lot.
You and all the other retards who claimed that were proven wrong.


The Hamas rocket exploded and fell down 2 kilometers away. There is no fucking Hamas rocket on Earth that's making that explosion after being disabled in the air. You don't need to be an expert on rockets to know this, you just have to not be a brainrotted IDF dickrider. Conveniently, nobody has yet been allowed to do any real research on where the rocket came from (I wonder where I've seen this happen before...?).

Not only that, but a few days later, Israel would do the exact same fucking thing, in an Orthodox Church instead. What a coincidence! I bet that was another Hamas rocket that magically found the worst possible place to fall down in, especially considering Israel has been taking so much care to not kill civilians. And not only that but just a few days later Israel would publicly come out and say that they might have to bomb another hospital because that's totally Hamas' HQ, guys.

Let's erase US military aid to Israel (which, again, as a reminder, is basically an indirect subsidy to the US MIC)
Lol. No. Israel does not exist peacefully without US military aid. This is not something you can argue. Being an ally of the Soviets and then the Russians didn't stop the Iranians from developing their own advanced missiles and rockets. Israel is a welfare whore because it wants to be.

PS: Building modern rockets and cruise missiles isn't a matter of throwing money at the issue, that's an incredibly stupid way of thinking about something as complicated as arms development. There's a reason the Iranians have great rockets and it's not because they're a prosperous nation.

Lol I never argued it wasn't a benefit for Israel
You downplayed the effects of US aid several times. You are completely wrong.

There is no country on Earth with grievances against the US big enough that would cause them to start a war against said country. There are many countries on Earth with grievances against Israel big enough that they'd want to start a war against them (and have a very good chance of winning). If you cannot understand and admit that this only does not happen because there's a 99% chance the Golem would join in on the war - then you're a disingenuous retard, or even worse, an Israeli. This is like arguing with a brick wall, but at least the brick wall isn't going to make my point for me and deny it the next sentence.
 
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So the state of Israel has made a website where they put all the evidence of Hamas' crimes in one place.
Announcement tweet:
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https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1720088273664811259 (archive.ph)
 
There's nowhere for them to go, we don't want them here, Egypt doesn't want them. If you flee you lose everything you have.
Maybe if there actually was some Arab solidarity left then sure but globalism has milked everyone dry of sympathy to each other.
Like look at this thread and the social dissonance in it, people bitching and whining about the Gazans both getting out and not getting out, the same people usually. Fucking braindead takes of people that just have nothing to focus their frustration on. Similar to how Gazans have nowhere to go and Israel has no real choice but to kill them.

We're all here because we all deserve to be here in a way.

I guess on a personal level, yeah the guy could try and get out and then spend 10 years in a refugee camp or what try and get over to Italy in a inflatable boat and then live as a second class citizen, learning to hate the people who welcomed him in. At least maybe his child will be able to integrate into that society though probably not with how its looking now.

The real snakes behind these things are still out there enjoying themselves. The one thing we can hope for is that one day the rivers of blood will rise high enough to swallow them too.
The sick shit is, that prior to the 1960s (and even now if you really think about it), they are no different from any arab, syrian, Jordanian or otherwise. They could just accept them as their own but they never will. This would be like if we (everyone in the world) decided that the native white people in Alabama weren't truly American because the Europeans decided to make Alabama a state for all the ex-slaves in the country. And the Americans just up and decided that the best way to stick it to the blacks would be to reject our own American brethren. The thing about the Palestinians are the more you think about them the dumber it gets. Compared to other Arabs, they have no unique culture, language, religion, society etc. They have no separate history prior to 1948. Every other culture, from the Jews, to native Europeans and even Americans, have something to go back on.
Hell even the Lebanese have more unique history and culture than the Palestinians. They're just Egyptians and Jordanians aka: other arabs. Notice how the Arabs who live in Israel/have Israeli citizenship don't start calling themselves Israeli-Palestinians? They call themselves Arab-Israelis because they are Arabs who live in Israel. Palestinians are the WE WUZ KANGZ of the Middle East. And just like the Blacks in the USA who think they're Jews, the Palestinians are just Arabs who are too ashamed to recognize that they aren't special (when compared to other arabs) and frankly got the short end of the stick and lost every battle, so instead of trying to improve they chimp out. I have so much more respect for the ones that drop the Palestinian shit and just say "hey I'm an arab from the levant".
 
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Iran having domestic missile production has changed how the game is played. Munitions can be stockpiled and their state knows since their revolution the USA would never forgive them for throwing the Shah out. If they make more missiles than the USA can make iron dome interceptors then you're looking at the West being on the wrong end of industrial warfare for the first time.
 
Jesus christ. Now the Jews are actually against Israel, goy! If you don't like jews or muslims you should support Israel!
Maybe you should read the thread before spouting your buzzword talking points.

Or if you live in the west maybe you should go outside, touch grass, talk to secular jews and ask them what they think of israel and you might just realize that jews arent a hivemind who are conspiring to steal your foreskin and actually have differing opinions based on their culture and upringing?
 
This is your brain on Zionism lol. Please understand this very basic fact: Israel does not exist without the threat of US retaliation in case of serious attack. 2007 proved that Israel was no longer the relative power that it was in previous wars. It was very much possible that, after the humiliation the IDF faced there, other countries would have gotten much more aggressive in response.

You seem to be very eager to completely dismiss the role of the US in Israel's foreign affairs for whatever reason, but there can be no discussion regarding Israel's sovereignty and its wars without the US being involved in them. The Arabs stopped being Soviet-dependent eventually, the Israelis never stopped being US-dependent.

Lol you're really huffing some Arab copium. Seriously, must be some good shit.

Even if I grant you that the IDF lost it's status as some military hyperpower status in the Middle East, did not bring Israel anywhere close to being genocided by sandniggers in 2007.

How stupid of a nigger are you? A victory isn't worth jack shit if you can't press it. You can win the biggest, coolest victory that you'll be jerking off to for 1500 years, if you have no ammo with which to press the advantage you've gained, you're not going to beat anyone, and in fact, you're probably going to lose the next time you attack because you have no ammo left you mongoloid.

This is literally war 101. Expending many resources for a result that does not guarantee total victory is a bad fucking idea.

Israel was within 30km of fucking Damascus. Pressing any harder would have made the situation far more tense for both the US and the USSR when the USSR sees their client state's capitol be shelled by a US client state.

Again, before US military aid arrived, Israel had the Syrians, the most dangerous threat to Israel, contained. The aid no doubt helped the IDF when dealing with Egypt later in the war, and allowed the IDF to maintain their dominance over Syria, but in no way were the sandniggers somehow close to genociding Israel by the time US aid arrived. They lost their chance two days before. Egypt never pressed their advantage to the point Israel proper was under threat throughout the whole conflict.

Like you keep saying war 101 and shit, and yes, I will state that Israel does benefit from US military aid. But that aid isn't the thin line between Israel and total kike death you're imagining.

Yeah I wonder how the rest of the war would have played out if the Israelis lacked munitions. Real fucking mystery lol

You're basically acting as if there was literally no other way for Israel to be resupplied at all. Like, perhaps, just buying US armaments rather than getting them freely? No? It was just free shit from the US or total sandnigger victory. Okay.

Yes you thick-headed motherfucker. Do you think those are the only cruise missiles in the Middle East? If Israel shows they can't stop cruise missiles, rockets and loitering munitions then there's no reason for Iran & co to not supply everyone who hates kikes with all sorts of cool amateur rocketry equipment, which means that Israel's military would very quickly find itself fighting a war that it can't win (because THEY DON'T MAKE ANY ROCKETS OR MISSILES THEMSELVES OTHER THAN A SMALL AMOUNT).

Lol Iran has been doing that already. I asked what changes, you

So the war changes because more Yemeni rebels get a few more cruise missiles that have already been intercepted by Israel, assuming those missiles intercepted by the US Navy were actually intended for Israel, and not some Yemeni rebel attempt to strike at a US ship, like how Iranian proxies have been striking at US bases in the Middle East throughout the conflict.

Unless those cruise missiles are filled with some sort of WMD, the war wouldn't change. If the Yemeni rebels are given a WMD to fire at Israel, then shit goes wild.

You don't see how a world power stationing ships near Israel when the entire Arab world is clamoring for Israeli blood is stopping Israel from being attacked and, in case of Arab victory, possibly genocided, huh?

Sandniggers civilians clamor for Jew blood all the time. This isn't new, nor does it mean that Israel is on the verge of being genocided you fuckwit. Seriously you're huffing some really good shit.

You and all the other retards who claimed that were proven wrong.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html
The Hamas rocket exploded and fell down 2 kilometers away. There is no fucking Hamas rocket on Earth that's making that explosion after being disabled in the air. You don't need to be an expert on rockets to know this, you just have to not be a brainrotted IDF dickrider. Conveniently, nobody has yet been allowed to do any real research on where the rocket came from (I wonder where I've seen this happen before...?).

"Guys listen, this link totally says we're wrong. It still concludes it's probably a failed rocket from a Palestinian terror group, just not the rocket failure that failed higher in the sky."

Uh huh. So this proves your theory that the IDF was totally the one to blow up the hospital, how?

Oh. It doesn't.

Lol. No. Israel does not exist peacefully without US military aid. This is not something you can argue. Being an ally of the Soviets and then the Russians didn't stop the Iranians from developing their own advanced missiles and rockets. Israel is a welfare whore because it wants to be.

PS: Building modern rockets and cruise missiles isn't a matter of throwing money at the issue, that's an incredibly stupid way of thinking about something as complicated as arms development. There's a reason the Iranians have great rockets and it's not because they're a prosperous nation.

Except Israel doesn't exist peacefully. We're in a fucking thread about another conflict Israel is involved with. I'd agree with you that I'd prefer the Israelis not take US military aid so retards like you can stop whining about it. However, US politicians like making sure their Raytheon and Boeing stocks stay strong, and what's 4.8 billion US dollars to a 4.79 trillion dollar budget, according to retarded politicians.

We're getting off track here. Yes, Israel does get military aid. Yes, this makes them reliant on the US MIC. Yes, said US military aid goes to subsidize the US MIC. Some magical hypothetical where the US didn't start providing military aid to Israel after 1973 is fun to imagine, but who the fuck knows how it'd play out. Fun alternate history scenario to imagine. However, your fantasy of the Israelis just rolling over and being genocided in 1973 is fucking hilarious and has no basis in reality. Just some Arab fantasy of thinking they're not cowardly sandniggers.

You downplayed the effects of US aid several times. You are completely wrong.

There is no country on Earth with grievances against the US big enough that would cause them to start a war against said country. There are many countries on Earth with grievances against Israel big enough that they'd want to start a war against them (and have a very good chance of winning). If you cannot understand and admit that this only does not happen because there's a 99% chance the Golem would join in on the war - then you're a disingenuous retard, or even worse, an Israeli. This is like arguing with a brick wall, but at least the brick wall isn't going to make my point for me and deny it the next sentence.

And you're playing it up as if said aid is the only thing from keeping the Arabs from going total kike death. You're completely wrong.

Lol sandniggers hold grievances against the US too. Osama bin Laden was upset that the Saudis when to the US over his band of goat fucking retards to defend against Saddam. However, even with massive grievances against the US, finding a way to fight the US on US soil is a fucking pipedream. Thus, terrorism. Last country with balls to attack the US directly got nuked for it. Twice.

Lol there are "many" countries that they'd want to both start a war with Israel and have a "very good chance of winning"? Lol some sandnigger coping again. Are you sure you're not fucking a goat as we speak?

Like, even beyond any conventional war, Israel still has nukes. Do you still win if your conventional military and some are your cities are turn to nuclear ash?

Anyway, we're probably getting off topic from the actual war. At this point I've enjoyed my indirect high from whatever the fuck you're puffing.
 
The Israel vs Muslim sperging should be split off into a debate thread or something to contain all these retards arguing about which desert niggers cocks they want to suck so you don't have to wade through pages of that shit to find out the latest happenings in the jew vs muslim war.
 
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