Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[White_N]

I dont get the manpower shortage... doesnt the west love ukraine more than brown people?
so why not send illegals to ukraine and let them fight? its a win-win situation...

How can they fight for Ukraine? They're black!

 

[Givi]

Wrong time to even think about negotiating. The momentum has completely shifted after the failed counter-offensive (not that it was in Ukraine's favor before). Russian morale is probably at an all time high, one of the most symbolic and heavily defended cities of the Ukrainian East is going to be functionally surrounded probably within 2 weeks and the Ukrainian Army probably hasn't been this depleted since the start of the war. They now have the ability to purchase munitions from Iran, China and North Korea, all of whom actually make them in sizeable amounts, and the world's attention is shifted to the holy land again.

But then again, I don't think there's any scenario where the UAF ever has the upper hand again. I don't believe Putin even gets near a negotiation table until the entirety of Donetsk Oblast is under firm Russian control. But if that happens, what's the point in stopping and not just going for that sweet, sweet Kharkov? Clearly the Ukrainians wouldn't be in any shape to stop the Russian army.

 

[Betonhaus]

I don't believe Russia will ever trust a nato negotiating table again. I get they would take what they want then make everything to Poland a minefield impossible to cross. Problably will keep an active monitoring presence there for decades

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Jesus fucking Christ why don't they just shove all the colors in and call it a day?

Almost happened with some of the EU prototype flags.

 

[MrJokerRager]

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Ukraine too white too Christian for Americans. Why do you think the left loves Palestine and Hamas so much?

Leave it to THE LEFT (TM) to turn everything they touch to shit.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Uh oh.

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
NBC News (archive.ph)
By Courtney Kube, Carol E. Lee, and Kristen Welker
2023-11-03 23:56:05GMT
Excerpt:

Lol no. None of the major participants are interested. Biden cannot afford to lose another war in the re-election year, for Zelensky any concessions mean political death, Putin can get way more if he waits for another year or two. Everybody else's opinion is irrelevant.

 

[Keystone]

Uh oh.

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
NBC News (archive.ph)
By Courtney Kube, Carol E. Lee, and Kristen Welker
2023-11-03 23:56:05GMT
Excerpt:

Were I Putin I'd accept nothing less than everything east of the Dnieper, and either take Kiev or partition it like Berlin was after WW2. Ukraine will, quite understandably, never consent to either and will likely continue to demand Crimea back. In other words nothing will change and this sad war will continue. It cannot be stated enough that the best and last chance for a "favorable" outcome to this shitshow was that peace conference in March/April 2022.

My guess as some random fucking jerkoff on the internet is that if (when?) Ukraine does start falling apart or losing serious territory, you'll see Poland (NATO) move into west Ukraine to annex conduct peace keeping operations.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

Total rodent death

Given the fact they eat food, contaminate living spaces with disease, and probably eat your dead / dying friends. I can understand the absolute hate.

 

[Mav52ri]

But then again, I don't think there's any scenario where the UAF ever has the upper hand again. I don't believe Putin even gets near a negotiation table until the entirety of Donetsk Oblast is under firm Russian control. But if that happens, what's the point in stopping and not just going for that sweet, sweet Kharkov? Clearly the Ukrainians wouldn't be in any shape to stop the Russian army.

At that point, why not just go further and take Odessa and everything east of the Dnieper? Either to occupy or make a puppet out of. That would make doubly sure that the Ukraine can't be used by NATO to fuck with Russia ever again.

 

[Sir Joahim Browinson III]

HE SAID WILD, RACIST,​

GENOCIDAL THINGS ​

ABOUT RUSSIANS.​

Well ... he is also a big Wikipedia editor. He edits Russia-Ukraine conflict articles a lot. That is fucked up.

So he is another avrage western rusophobe?

Sure, just throw him in the pile with the others.

 

[The Ugly One]

Things that caught my eye:

“Biden administration officials also are worried that Ukraine is running out of forces, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply, officials said. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and has recently seen public protests about some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s open-ended conscription requirements.”

“Officials also have privately said Ukraine likely only has until the end of the year or shortly thereafter before more urgent discussions about peace negotiations should begin.”

“President Joe Biden has been intensely focused on Ukraine’s depleting military forces, according to two people familiar with the matter.

"Manpower is at the top of the administration’s concerns right now,” one said. The U.S. and its allies can provide Ukraine with weaponry, this person said, “but if they don’t have competent forces to use them it doesn’t do a lot of good” “


“Russia has ramped up production of artillery rounds, and, over the next couple years may be able to produce 2 million shells per year, according to a Western official. But Russia fired an estimated 10 million rounds in Ukraine last year, the official said, so it will also have to rely on other countries.”

“Progress in Ukraine’s counteroffensive has been very slow, and hope that Ukraine will make significant advances, including reaching the coast near Russia’s frontlines, is fading.”

“Administration officials expect Ukraine to want more time to fight on the battlefield, particularly with new, heavier equipment, “but there’s a growing sense that it’s too late, and it’s time to do a deal,” the former senior administration official said. It is not certain that Ukraine would mount another spring offensive.”

So half-assed American intervention in a war didn't affect the outcome at all, and just turned a whole lot more young men into meat chunks? Wow, when has that ever happened?

 

[Rubick]

My guess as some random fucking jerkoff on the internet is that if (when?) Ukraine does start falling apart or losing serious territory, you'll see Poland (NATO) move into west Ukraine to annex conduct peace keeping operations.

That would be a even bigger red line for Russia.

At that point, why not just go further and take Odessa and everything east of the Dnieper? Either to occupy or make a puppet out of. That would make doubly sure that the Ukraine can't be used by NATO to fuck with Russia ever again.

To make sure that Ukraine is not used anymore by NATO. One needs to occupy it all. And that's like buying a dead horse with lots of fleas to boot.

Perhaps leave a rump of the western Ukraine and hope Poland takes it and it backfire's into a hohol jihading the Poles. Which a Polish friend of mne expects. But i'm not so sure about. Russian leadership don't want NATO in Ukraine even in a small enclaved rump state

Either way Ukranians as ussually fucked themselves over.

 

[Susanna]

At that point, why not just go further and take Odessa and everything east of the Dnieper? Either to occupy or make a puppet out of. That would make doubly sure that the Ukraine can't be used by NATO to fuck with Russia ever again.

Peace absolutely will require landlocking the Ukraine. Whatever remains of it must be worthless enough that NATO will think twice about admitting it, and a landlocked west Ukrainian rump state will be a big military cost, huge terrorist threat to whomever opens their borders with it, and (relatively) easily contained otherwise.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Apparently this happened.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

The war in Israel provides perfect cover to cut their losses with Ukraine and Zelenskyyyy. There’s no way the concessions won’t be humiliating as Russia is well positioned to carve out a big chunk of Ukraine but the CIA can keep poking the Russian Bear from Poland which is all that the U.S. cares about. Ukraine and Zelenskyyyy are learning what friendship with the United States actually means.

 

[Keystone]

That would be a even bigger red line for Russia.

Indeed. Likely won't stop them from doing it though.

 

[Sniperwoof]

I just want to point out that I've been saying for two years now that Russia was absolutely wiping the fucking floor with Ukraine and Zelensky was running out of soldiers.

For that I got screamed at and spammed with downvotes. NPC retards assured me any day Ukraine was going to have a stupid ass Marvels Avengers moment and defeat Thanos, I mean Putin.

Now even the Biden admin is admitting I was right all along.

 

[Audit]

I want to consider this from a different angle. With the sheer amount of destruction, backward infrastructure, lack of economy, mine fields, and terrorism-prone populations in Ukraine, how far would Russia realistically want to go in Ukraine? Sure, if the Ukes were to up and move to Poland this might not be such a big deal, but I suspect most of the ones remaining (>20 million) aren't going to skip town. This population will have a ton of elderly who have to be supported on state pensions and barely any competent persons, who will have fled to Germany for higher wages already. What would even be the cost of trying to completely conquer and restore Ukraine as a new frontline against NATO? It has to be in the 100's of billions. This seems absolutely untenable for Russia without bankrupting itself.

My bet would be that Russia would realistically only want strategic assets like Odessa, Kharkiv, and various pretty much everything east of the Dnieper river. They can minimize the intake of hostile populations by furthermore expelling anyone suspected of hostilities against Russia to Kiev, but this plan assumes to continued existence of a Ukrainian rump state. This still leaves most of the critical gas infrastructure in the hands of this rump state, but that's hardly anything new given the last decade.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

How long until the SBU rounds this guy up for "defeatism." This dude is a major NAFO adjacent account



Even the Holhols are realizing that the losses in Bakhmut fucked up the Summer Offensive.

 

[Betonhaus]

The war in Israel provides perfect cover to cut their losses with Ukraine and Zelenskyyyy. There’s no way the concessions won’t be humiliating as Russia is well positioned to carve out a big chunk of Ukraine but the CIA can keep poking the Russian Bear from Poland which is all that the U.S. cares about. Ukraine and Zelenskyyyy are learning what friendship with the United States actually means.

And Taiwan and the rest of the world is watching and making notes.