Cringe Side-Quest #2: Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card - Enemy gate is Down's syndrome

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I Rose de Nose, Jewboy extraordinaire, and you ain't nothin but a pinheaded pinprick of a goy. Don't you forget it.”
Rat Army was often called the Kike Force, half in parody of Mazer Rackham's Strike Force.
Mazer Rackham's apparently not the only Kiwi in the 23rd century :lol:

So on "The Hegemony" - it's sounding like they're a sort of super-United Nations and then individual countries still have their own politics and whatnot. After all, I suppose it is the "International Fleet" and not the "Global Fleet" or "United Humanity Fleet". You know what, sure, fine, whatever.

"Colonel Graff, the games have always been run fairly before. Either random distribution of stars, or symmetrical.”
Final Destination, no items, Fox only. Got it.

"It's also status, identity, purpose, name; all that makes these children who they are comes out of this game.
I consider that an unassailable argument against the game.
Major Anderson's hand-wringing about "ruining" Battle School is bizarre considering the results we've seen so far. He's clearly letting his gaywad appreciation for boys playing laser tag in skintight uniforms interfere with his judgement. Letting the so-called geniuses run amok hasn't resulted in any sort of tactical breakthroughs - there's no consensus on discipline, training, people management, tactics, or anything else. There's no "steel sharpens steel" action here since nobody is actually adapting or learning from their peers - Dink is the first person we see even considering a tactic he didn't invent himself.
And what tactic is that? Paratroopers, Ender reinvented paratroopers. And more generally, the idea of "get in there fast and wreck people's shit" is as old as warfare itself. Aren't they supposed to be studying military history at Battle School?

Mazer Rackham, a little-known, twice-court-martialled, half-Maori New Zealander
And we still don't know his origin story. Did he go to Battle School? Was he bullied 24/7 for his entire childhood? I can only assume not. Why do they think Battle School is the best way to create a new Mazer? We don't know.

Four boys turned up on medical report. One with bruised ribs, one with a bruised testicle
You'd think groin shots would get you instantly expelled in a society that's all-in on eugenics. Endangering the fertility of someone who might be needed to father a new Kwisatz Haderach Buzz Lightyear should be a bigger deal in-universe.

Anyway, I like Dink. Too bad he's probably going to get killed off or crippled and sent home or something - an independent thinker just doesn't fit in at Battle School, by all appearances.
 
Mmm. You know, I'm finding Ender's "I just want to be soft boi." a lot more obnoxious on adult reread. Ender, presumably, believes that the buggers are real, that they are dangerous, and that if they are not taken seriously as a military threat that they will kill many, most, or all of humanity.

And while I don't expect a book about an adolescent or pre-adolescent to have them be particularly self-reflective or insightful, Ender is supposed to be special and we only really get a view of him from either deliberately-unreliable external perspectives, or his own internal monologues.

I think we'd get better internal characterization if Ender was written as too smart to believe, even for a moment and even to himself, that "I'm not that guy! I didn't kick the shit out of a kid on the ground and send him to the hospital after calculating that violence would achieve my aims!" Ender's at Battle School, and he's learning to fight in a war for the survival of everything and everyone he cares about (plus all the non-Valentine bits of the world in addition); I feel like there should be at least a part of him that recognizes that violence is necessary, if not outright good and praiseworthy in his given position.

It feels like it's pure tone-management, to allow for righteous application of violence in the moment while trying to make Ender look innocent and peaceful the rest of the time, and as with the other books, it feels artificial and tonally-inconsistent. And again, I'd buy that level of disconnect from a normal person, or any child character meant to act like a child, but we're deliberately not being shown normal kids here, and the book says so.

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I will say that I do always enjoy reading material from other times, and seeing what casual assumptions about both the world and the future were held by the author at the times, and how they've held up. And if nothing else, I am enjoying this little jaunt back in time, when it was assumed both that Islam would be going along quietly with the greater hegemonic force of nascent global homogenization, and that we could have post-racial-tension banter and the Rat Army of the Jews.
 
I will say that I do always enjoy reading material from other times, and seeing what casual assumptions about both the world and the future were held by the author at the times, and how they've held up. And if nothing else, I am enjoying this little jaunt back in time, when it was assumed both that Islam would be going along quietly with the greater hegemonic force of nascent global homogenization, and that we could have post-racial-tension banter and the Rat Army of the Jews.

I assume everyone chilled out a bit after the Great American Race War of 2087, about whether Puerto Ricans could use the n-word.
 
Ender, presumably, believes that the buggers are real, that they are dangerous, and that if they are not taken seriously as a military threat that they will kill many, most, or all of humanity.
For all we know it could be true. Maybe the buggers' lifespan is 100000 years, and waiting 80 years for another assault is just a coffee break for them.
It's odd that Anderson and Graff are utterly convinced that Round 3 of the bug wars is inevitable... but also humanity are the ones actively looking to pick a fight this time, searching out the bugger homeworlds. How about not doing that if you don't want to restart the war?
 
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Quidditch could've been made more interesting if everyone could chase the Snitch, not just the protagonist, so the teams could decide to dedicate more players to capture-the-Snitch and bet on catching it sooner than the opposing team racks up more of a score difference than the Snitch can make up for. I looked to see if a rule exists, and I shit you not, all of the following is true:

At the 2014 Quidditch World Cup, the Snitch flew into a Haitian Beater [this is a position] 's sleeve and got stuck in his underwear. Yes, one of the Seekers [this is the protagonist position] was supposed to get it out or the game wouldn't ever end. Unfortunately for Haiti, the Snitch-in-underwear guy just knocked out their own [male] Seeker by accident, and would have to avoid the Brazilian [also male] Seeker's attempts at molestation until Haiti's woke up and gave him a handy. Instead, the Beater took it out himself with his hand, and by this committed "Snitchnip", and the Haitian team was disqualified.

This is still less stupid than Ender's Game.

(I swear I'm not a Harry Potter fan. @Ewan McGregor bumped the Harry Potter thread and I went there to rant about bad party design. Ewan look here, this shit is amazing.)
For Quidditch to make any kind of sense, either the snitch needs to give no points and end the game, or give points and have no bearing on the end of the game. I know the game was invented as a parody of absurd british school sports, but even utter parodies of it make more sense, like Mittens from Hello from the Magic Tavern.

For all we know it could be true. Maybe the buggers' lifespan is 100000 years, and waiting 80 years for another assault is just a coffee break for them.
It's odd that Anderson and Graff are utterly convinced that Round 3 of the bug wars is inevitable... but also humanity are the ones actively looking to pick a fight this time, searching out the bugger homeworlds. How about not doing that if you don't want to restart the war?
Because they want to win all possible future fights, like Ender did.
 
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Is it ever explained why nobody thinks peace with the buggers is possible? I mean, they obviously must have a language if they were able to invent space travel and antigravity. Has anyone talked to them? Did neither side ever do the old conquistador tactic of making their first captives serve as interpreters?
 
For Quidditch to make any kind of sense, either the snitch needs to give no points and end the game, or give points and have no bearing on the end of the game. I know the game was invented as a parody of absurd british school sports, but even utter parodies of it make more sense, like Mittens from Hello from the Magic Tavern.
(i'll bite) Neither of these options alone will help. If it gives no points and ends the game, the losing team's Seeker has nothing to do. If it gives points and doesn't end the game, once it's caught, both Seekers have nothing to do. Either solution needs the Seeker to be an informal speciality (like "midfielder" in soccer) instead of a formal position with special rules (like "goalkeeper"); in the first case, the losing team's Seeker(s) can help the team score points and make a comeback, in the second case, all Seekers can rejoin the game and play until time runs out. Maybe have a restriction that at most one player per team can leave the field to chase the Snitch, but if it's within the field, everyone can try grabbing it.
I know the game was invented as a parody of absurd british school sports, but even utter parodies of it make more sense, like Mittens from Hello from the Magic Tavern.
Baseball makes less sense. (If you don't know, baseball is a parody of Quidditch that's quite popular in the US.)
 
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(i'll bite) Neither of these options alone will help. If it gives no points and ends the game, the losing team's Seeker has nothing to do. If it gives points and doesn't end the game, once it's caught, both Seekers have nothing to do. Either solution needs the Seeker to be an informal speciality (like "midfielder" in soccer) instead of a formal position with special rules (like "goalkeeper"); in the first case, the losing team's Seeker(s) can help the team score points and make a comeback, in the second case, all Seekers can rejoin the game and play until time runs out. Maybe have a restriction that at most one player per team can leave the field to chase the Snitch, but if it's within the field, everyone can try grabbing it.
I didn't mean to imply that those were the sum total of making it make sense, just a necessary first step. You have to pick one of those and run with it, like making it such that the snitch awards less points and is not removed from play after the first catch.

Baseball makes less sense. (If you don't know, baseball is a parody of Quidditch that's quite popular in the US.)
Baseball has some bizarre rules, sure, but you've lost me on the "is a parody of Quidditch" kayfabe there.
 
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And you know something is dire when it makes Quidditch--a sport that literally has a "protagonist" position tacked on seperate from the rest of the game--look well thought out.

I mean, Quidditch has the sort of rules you would expect from a sport made from and by the british of yore. If you think Quidditch is silly, you might be interested to take a look at Cricket.

(I swear I'm not a Harry Potter fan. @Ewan McGregor bumped the Harry Potter thread and I went there to rant about bad party design. Ewan look here, this shit is amazing.)

I know shit about Ender's Game apart from it being an entertaining yet ultimately mediocre and forgettable movie starring Asa Butterfield.
 
This single part between Dink and Ender kinda highlights how there was a missed opportunity from Card to write a really good dystopian fic, where Ender would eventually become an iron-fisted Hegemony commander indoctrinated into becoming a rebellion crusher on an increasingly nationalist Earth to "protect Earth and his sis from the bugs". That'd also give depth to his "muh bro Peter" shit.

Card kinda did this with the Shadow spin-offs, but he missed the mark by making it about Bean and Achilles social-engineering entire countries and major players of the Battle School to fight each-other by proxy amongst the rubbles of the Hegemony. There's just so much potential in mixing what I imagined with the dynamic of book 1 to 4 of the Shadow series.
At least, It'd make for a mean dollar-store version of Lord of the Flies instead of trashy nerd powerfantasy on one hand, and a decent-ish spin-off on the other.
 
The reason the physical dimensions of the Battle School (or anything else Card invented) make no sense is likely because he has no visual imagination whatsoever: he can't see pictures in his head. If he thinks of something he knows what it is he's thinking about, but he can't "see" it and he couldn't draw it from imagination/memory.

Source: the man himself, he talks about it in the intro to some of his writings. It's why the physical descriptions in his writing are somewhat cursory and if you're a visual person (like I am) you might find it frustrating to read because there are so few cues/details to help you picture the scene.

I'm sorry to say this makes it all the more disturbing when Card decides to describe just how many naked children there are. It's not like he pictured a scene in his head and the kids in it happened to be nude (which would be bad enough), it's that he can't picture _anything_ so if there's naked kids in it, it's because he specifically put them there.

From what I can tell (fandom gossip etc) I don't think he's ever done anything horrible to anyone. Have been reading his stuff for decades and long ago decided you probably wouldn't want him to babysit your kids, but I think he might be an example of someone who enjoys thinking about awful stuff but actually has a conscience and would not ever let himself do it.

This could be quite wrong of course, have never met the man and it might be an unfortunate coincidence that he wrote quite so many books that a careless reader could take to be tracts of noncery.

And being OSC and therefore fucked in the head in strange and unusual ways as yet unknown to science, I wouldn't put it past him to have been a short-eyes his whole life and have no idea he was one. Like a sort of clueless Pedobear with smoked glasses and a white stick who thinks he's Paddington.
 
Well, we've finally reached that subplot. The one even fans of the book like to clown on. But first, a word from our sponsors:

"I didn't call you in here to waste time.

Yet here we are.

How in hell did the computer do that?”

"I don't know.”

"How could it pick up a picture of Ender's brother and put it into the graphics in this Fairyland routine?”

"Colonel Graff, I wasn't there when it was programmed. All I know is that the computer's never taken anyone to this place before.

Isn't the point of this game that it can create new scernarios on the fly? Surely this kind of thing happens all the time.

Fairyland was strange enough, but this isn't Fairyland anymore. It's beyond the End of the World, and--”

"I know the names of the places, I just don't know what they mean.”

"Fairyland was programmed in. It's mentioned in a few other places. But nothing talks about the End of the World. We don't have any experience with it.”

So, we've basically reached this point:

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"I don't like having the computer screw around with Ender's mind that way. Peter Wiggin is the most potent person in his life, except maybe his sister Valentine.”

We could just not let him play the computer game. That was what my parents did when my evil abusive older brother kept turning up in BioShock. Okay, I just wasn't doing my fucking homework, but the principle is similar.

"And the mind game is designed to help shape them, help them find worlds they can be comfortable in.”

So was the Giant's Drink born from a widespread death-urge in the student body? A sense of futility? We should probably look into this.

"You don't get it, do you, Major Imbu? I don't want Ender being comfortable with the end of the world. Our business here is not to be comfortable with the end of the world!”

"The End of the World in the game isn't necessarily the end of humanity in the bugger wars. It has a private meaning to Ender.”

"Good. What meaning?”

"I don't know, sir. I'm not the kid. Ask him.”

"Major Imbu, I'm asking you.”

Ah, why not ask Ender? In actual schools, when a kid has emotional problems or starts acting out, we usually ask them why. We don't always take their answers entirely at face-value, but it's an important part of the process. Graff seems terrified of Ender ever realising that people are invested in his development, which is an odd fear when he personally invited him to space-school, and has told him more than once that he's the last, best hope for humanity. Is he afraid Ender will realise the games are monitored? Because that's already a widespread rumour among the students. Even if he does, worst case scernario, he stops playing the mind game. Which, given that Ender mostly uses it for emotional scab-picking, doesn't seem like a bad outcome to me?

"There could be a thousand meanings.”

"Try one.”

"You've been isolating the boy. Maybe he's wishing for the end of this world, the Battle School.

Wouldn't be the only one.

Or maybe it's about the end of the world he grew up with as a little boy, his home, coming here. Or maybe it's his way of coping with having broken up so many other kids here. Ender's a sensitive kid, you know, and he's done some pretty bad things to people's bodies, he might be wishing for the end of that world.”

I really don't see how Ender is particularly sensitive. This is a difficult distinction to articulate, but I never get the impression during Ender's post-ultraviolence pity-parties that he's particular disturbed by the pain he causes, just that he's capable of violence at all. He never stops to think about how the kids he beats up feels, or worry if he did them serious damage, or if, in retrospect, they really deserved to have their nuts pureed. Ender never once asks himself, "Did I hurt Stilson because of tactical expedience, or was I just angry?" and the narrative doesn't question him on that front either. You might say that kind of introspection or empathy is a bit beyond most eight year olds, but Ender's meant to be an emotional and intellectual prodigy.

"Or none of the above.”

"The mind game is a relationship between the child and the computer. Together they create stories. The stories are true, in the sense that they reflect the reality of the child's life. That's all I know.”

Good to know Shadiversity's line flourises even in the distant future.

"And I'll tell you what I know, Major Imbu. That picture of Peter Wiggin was not one that could have been taken from our files here at the school. We have nothing on him, electronically or otherwise, since Ender came here. And that picture is more recent.”

"It's only been a year and a half, sir, how much can the boy change?”

"He's wearing his hair completely differently now. His mouth was redone with orthodontia. I got a recent photograph from landside and compared.

Okay, so how did Ender recognise him immediately?

The only way the computer here in the Battle School could have got that picture was by requisitioning it from a landside computer. And not even one connected with the I.F. That takes requisitionary powers. We can't just go into Guilford County North Carolina and pluck a picture out of school files. Did anyone at this school authorize getting this?”

And if the computer was trying to fuck with Ender using his brother's image, why did it bother fetching a recent picture of Peter, rather than one of him as Ender would remember him?

"You don't understand, sir. Our Battle School computer is only a part of the I.F. network. lf we want a picture, we have to get a requisition, but if the mind game program determines that the picture is necessary--”

"It can just go take it.”

"Not just every day. Only when it's for the child's own good.”

So, it can access any computer system on Earth whenever it feels like.

"OK, it's for his good. But why. His brother is dangerous, his brother was rejected for this program because he's one of the worst human beings we've laid hands on. Why is he so important to Ender? Why, after all his time?”

"Why, less than two years after leaving home, does Ender's older brother who tormented him his entire childhood still loom large in his mind?"

"Honestly, sir. I don't know. And the mind game program is designed so that it can't tell us.

Why not?

It may not know itself, actually. This is uncharted territory.”

I mean, that would make more sense.

"You mean the computer's making this up as it goes along?”

"You might put it that way.”

"Well, that does make me feel a little better. I thought l was the only one.”

And again, this thing can access any computer system it wants.

Valentine celebrated Ender's eighth birthday alone, in the wooded back yard of their new home in Greensboro. She scraped a patch of ground bare of pine needles and leaves, and there scratched his name in the dirt with a twig. Then she made a small teepee of twigs and needles and lit a small fire. It made smoke that interwove with the branches and needles of the pine overhead. All the way into space, she said silently. All the way to the Battle School.

You love to see Mormons get in touch with their Native American roots.

No letters had ever come, and as far as they knew their own letters had never reached him. When he first was taken, Father and Mother sat at the table and keyed in long letters to him every few days. Soon, though, it was once a week, and when no answers came, once a month. Now it had been two years since he went, and there were no letters, none at all, and no remembrance on his birthday. He is dead, she thought bitterly, because we have forgotten him.

So, did nobody tell the Wiggins there were no letters allowed at Battle School? While we're on the subject, why not? It's not like this is a Halo situation where the kids are being subjected to crimes against humanity, they're just playing laser-tag. If the they're afraid of the kids leaking intel, just censor the letters like every other military post mass-literacy. Does nobody see the benefit of preserving a connection to humanity in the kids who're meant to be protecting us from alien genocide? I get the feeling Card chucked this detail in because it was sad, not because it made sense.

But Valentine had not forgotten him. She did not let her parents know, and above all never hinted to Peter how often she thought about Ender, how often she wrote him letters that she knew he would not answer. And when Mother and Father announced to them that they were leaving the city to move to North Carolina, of all places, Valentine knew that they never expected to see Ender again. They were leaving the only place where he knew to find them.

Phone-books were another technology lost during the bugger wars.

How would Ender find them here, among these trees, under this changeable and heavy sky? He had lived deep in corridors all his life, and if he was still in the Battle School, there was less of nature there. What would he make of this?

I could totally see a very young child thinking moving house means her brother (or Santa) will never be able to find them again, I'm just not sure why Valentine is thinking more like a six year old now she's about ten or so.

Valentine knew why they had moved here. It was for Peter, so that living among trees and small animals, so that nature in as raw a form as Mother and Father could conceive of it, might have a softening influence on their strange and frightening son.

I mean, it makes sense. Hitler was well known for his hatred of small animals and natural landscapes.

But Valentine knew. She had seen a squirrel half-skinned, spiked by its little hands and feet with twigs pushed into the dirt. She pictured Peter trapping it, staking it, then carefully parting and peeling back the skin without breaking into the abdomen, watching the muscles twist and ripple. How long had it taken the squirrel to die? And all the while Peter had sat nearby, leaning against the tree where perhaps the squirrel had nested, playing with his desk while the squirrel's life seeped away.

Naturally Valentine never mentioned this to her parents, despite the fact they clearly knew something was wrong with Peter.

At first she was horrified, and nearly threw up at dinner, watching how Peter ate so vigorously, talked so cheerfully. But later she thought about it and realized that perhaps, for Peter, it was a kind of magic, like her little fires; a sacrifice that somehow stilled the dark gods that hunted for his soul. Better to torture squirrels than other children. Peter has always been a husbandman of pain, planting it, nurturing it, devouring it greedily when it was ripe; better he should take it in these small, sharp doses than with dull cruelty to children in the school.

Or it made his tiny dick hard, either or.

"A model student," said his teachers. "I wish we had a hundred others in the school just like him. Studies all the time, turns in all his work on time. He loves to learn.”

But Valentine knew it was a fraud. Peter loved to learn, all right, but the teachers hadn't taught him anything, ever. He did his learning through his desk at home, tapping into libraries and databases, studying and thinking and, above all, talking to Valentine.

I get the impression Card's ideal school is a summer-camp with no staff and wifi.

Still, it was good. Peter never fought anymore. Never bullied. Got along well with everybody. It was a new Peter.

Everyone believed it. Father and Mother said it so often it made Valentine want to scream at them. It isn't the new Peter! It's the old Peter, only smarter!

If only you had proof that he hadn't changed, like a bunch of tortured animal carcasses!

"I've been deciding," said Peter, "whether to kill you or what.”

Valentine leaned against the trunk of the pine tree, her little fire a few smoldering ashes. "I love you, too, Peter.”

My friend was right, trying to make the Addams Family serious was a mistake.

"It would be so easy. You always make these stupid little fires. It's just a matter of knocking you out and burning you up. You're such a firebug.”

"I've been thinking of castrating you in your sleep.”

In this society they'd probably give you a medal.

"No you haven't. You only think of things like that when I'm with you. I bring out the best in you. No, Valentine, I've decided not to kill you. I've decided that you're going to help me.”

"I am?" A few years ago, Valentine would have been terrified at Peter's threats. Now, though, she was not so afraid. Not that she doubted that he was capable of killing her. She couldn't think of anything so terrible that she didn't believe Peter might do it. She also knew, though, that Peter was not insane, not in the sense that he wasn't in control of himself. He was in better control of himself than anyone she knew. Except perhaps herself. Peter could delay any desire as long as be needed to; he could conceal any emotion.

People love to fantasise about these genius serial killer types, but the boring truth is that kids like Peter tend to be less like Hannibal Lecter, and more like the 80 IQ mouthbreather scrawling racial slurs in a public toilet. What I'm saying is, Peter, we're all waiting for you.

"Valentine, things are coming to a head. I've been tracking troop movements in Russia.”

"What are we talking about?”

One thing Card did predict, little twerps who think they're experts on the Russian military.

"The world, Val. You know Russia? Big empire? Warsaw Pact? Rulers of Eurasia from the Netherlands to Pakistan?”

As you can see, the Soviet Union is still alive and kicking about two centuries in the future. I honestly don't feel right clowning on Card too hard for that prediction. I imagine for most people in the West, the idea that the other global superpower would go tits-up less than ten years after this was written would've seemed absurd. To quote the good Mr. Hank Hill, we did not yet know the Russians were incompetent. I will, however, clown on the fact that, rather than accept that all science fiction eventually becomes alternate history, Card chose to retcon in sequels and later printings that Peter was talking about a New Warsaw Pact. In other words, Russia got sick of capitalism with extra sweatsuits, adopted communism again, and reconquered all its old territory plus change. You might recognise this as the plot of the Simpsons episode where Homer joined the navy.

This also raises some questions about Ender's family backstory. Early on, it was mentioned that Poland was under international sanction for not enforcing the two-child laws due to its strongly Catholic population, making it a pariah state. But it's still called the Warsaw Pact, which kind of implies Poland never broke away from the largely atheist Soviet Union. So, what's up with that?

"The Polemarch is Russian, isn't he? And he knows what's happening with the fleet. Either they've found out the buggers aren't a threat after all, or we're about to have a big battle. One way or another, the bugger war is about to be over. They're getting ready for after the war.”

"If they're moving troops, it must be under the direction of the Strategos.”

"It's all internal, within the Warsaw Pact.”

This was disturbing. The facade of peace and cooperation had been undisturbed almost since the bugger wars began. What Peter had detected was a fundamental disturbance in the world order. She had a mental picture, as clear as memory, of the way the world had been before the buggers forced peace upon them. "So it's back to the way it was before.”

So, the political situation is about as fraught and fractuous as it is in our time, and the I.F isn't really a world government so much as a military alliance... but they're still able to make everyone on Earth learn English as a first language and enforce global population control? And also ban Islam, maybe?

"A few changes. The shields make it so nobody bothers with nuclear weapons anymore. We have to kill each other thousands at a time instead of millions."

I find it kind of amusing that both Ender's Game and Dune use futuristic shields to handwave away advances in warfare, but while Dune went for a kind of fedual bladed weapon kind of thing, Ender's Game just wanted to be able to do WW2 again.

Also, Dune is pretty overrated as a book.

Mhhm! Excuse me, something in my throat.

What disturbed Valentine most of all was that Peter did not seem at all worried. "Peter, why do I get the idea that you are thinking of this as a golden opportunity for Peter Wiggin?”

"For both of us, Val.”

"Peter, you're twelve years old. I'm ten. They have a word for people our age. They call us children and they treat us like mice.”

Look, we had to test puberty blockers on someone.

"But we don't think like other children, do we, Val? We don't talk like other children. And above all, we don't write like other children.”

I've never seen anyone be so smug about being so shit at writing. Okay, maybe Elizer Yudkowsky, but that's a story for another day.

"For a discussion that began with death threats, Peter, we've strayed from the topic, I think." Still, Valentine found herself getting excited. Writing was something Val did better than Peter.

Bullshit, you're both written by Orson Scott Card.

Valentine could persuade other people to her point of view-- she could convince them that they wanted what she wanted them to want. Peter, on the other hand, could only make them fear what he wanted them to fear. When he first pointed this out to Val, she resented it. She had wanted to believe she was good at persuading people because she was right, not because she was clever. But no matter how much she told herself that she didn't ever want to exploit people the way Peter did, she enjoyed knowing that she could, in her way, control other people. And not just control what they did. She could control, in a way, what they wanted to do. She was ashamed that she took pleasure in this power, and yet she found herself using it sometimes. To get teachers to do what she wanted, and other students. To get Mother and Father to see things her way. Sometimes, she was able to persuade even Peter. That was the most frightening thing of all-- that she could understand Peter well enough, could empathize with him enough to get inside him that way. There was more Peter in her than she could bear to admit, though sometimes she dared to think about it anyway. This is what she thought as Peter spoke: You dream of power, Peter, but in my own way I am more powerful than you.

Remember, Valentine was supposed to be too tender-hearted for the military.

"I see myself as knowing how to insert ideas into the public mind. Haven't you ever thought of a phrase, Val, a clever thing to say, and said it, and then two weeks or a month later you hear some adult saying it to another adult, both of them strangers? Or you see it on a video or pick it up on a net?”
"I always figured I heard it before and only thought I was making it up.”

"You were wrong. There are maybe two or three thousand people in the world as smart as us, little sister. Most of them are making a living somewhere.

They all have podcasts.

Teaching, the poor bastards, or doing research. Precious few of them are actually in positions of power.”

Card seems to have real contempt for actual teachers.

"Funny as a one-legged rabbit, Val.”

"Of which there are no doubt several in these woods.”

"Hopping in neat little circles.”

Valentine laughed at the gruesome image and hated herself for thinking it was funny.

Nobody in this family is alright.

"Val, we can say the words that everyone else will be saying two weeks later. We can do that. We don't have to wait until we're grown up and safely put away in some career.”

Ah, so Peter runs r/antiwork.

"Peter, you're twelve.”

"Not on the nets I'm not. On the nets I can name myself anything I want, and so can you.”

Peter and Valentine were instantly doxxed by Null's frozen head.

"On the nets we are clearly identified as students, and we can't even get into the real discussions except in audience mode, which means we can't say anything anyway.”

Some people call this subplot Card predicting the internet, but it's more like he scaled up the internet as it when he wrote the book--back when it was mostly only accesible to people in the government, academia, or certain parts of the corporate world. He also imagines it as a place for important, invitation only political discussion, and not a platform for memes, Japanese cartoons, and giving each other baroque mental illnesses.

"We can get on the nets as full-fledged adults. with whatever net names we want to adopt, if Father gets us onto his citizen's access.”

"And why would he do that? We already have student access. What do you tell him, I need citizen's access so I can take over the world?”

"No, Val. I won't tell him anything. You’ll tell him how you're worried about me. How I'm trying so very hard to do well at school, but you know it's driving me crazy because I can never talk to anybody intelligent, everybody always talks down to me because I'm young, I never get to converse with my peers. You can prove that the stress is getting to me.”

He also imagines that little children are by default are barred from posting. Maybe I've been too harsh on this setting.

"So you get him to authorize us to share his citizen's access. To adopt our own identities there, to conceal who we are so people will give us the intellectual respect we deserve.”

This book must be second only to Seven of Nine in introducing nerdy kids to masturbation.

Valentine could challenge him on ideas, but never on things like this. She could not say, What makes you think you deserve respect? She had read about Adolf Hitler. She wondered what he was like at the age of twelve. Not this smart, not like Peter that way, but craving honor, probably that.

Is it me, or does "honour" come up a lot in this book?

And what would it have meant to the world if in childhood he had been caught in a thresher or trampled by a horse?

Norman Spinrad would be like, 17% less smug.

"Val," Peter said. "I know what you think of me. I'm not a nice person, you think.”

Valentine threw a pine needle at him. "An arrow through your heart.”

You cannot imagine the pain I'm in reading this whole chapter.

"You're just what the world needs. A twelve-year-old to solve all our problems.”

Usually you need to be Swedish and look like you have FAS to do that.

"It's not my fault I'm twelve right now. And it's not my fault that right now is when the opportunity is open. Right now is the time when I can shape events. The world is always a democracy in times of flux, and the man with the best voice will win. Everybody thinks Hitler got to power because of his armies, because they were willing to kill, and that's partly true, because in the real world power is always built on the threat of death and dishonor. But mostly he got to power on words-- on the right words at the right time.”

"I was just thinking of comparing you to him.”

"I don't hate Jews, Val. I don't want to destroy anybody. And I don't want war, either.

Pretty sure one of those things is a lie.

"Peter, we're children, don't you understand that? We're going to school, we're growing up--" But even as she resisted, she wanted him to persuade her. She had wanted him to persuade her from the beginning.

"I have no reason to trust Peter or help him out, but I'm going to because plot."

But Peter didn't know that he had already won. "If I believe that, if I accept that, then I've got to sit back and watch while all the opportunities vanish, and then when I'm old enough it's too late. Val, listen to me. I know how you feel about me, you always have. I was a vicious, nasty brother. I was cruel to you and crueler to Ender before they took him. But I didn't hate you. I loved you both, I just had to be-- had to have control, do you understand that? It's the most important thing to me, it's my greatest gift, I can see where the weak points are, I can see how to get in and use them, I just see those things without even trying. I could become a businessman and run some big corporation, I'd scramble and maneuver until I was at the top of everything and what would I have? Nothing. I'm going to rule, Val, I'm going to have control of something. But I want it to be something worth ruling. I want to accomplish something worthwhile. A Pax Americana through the whole world. So that when somebody else comes, after we beat the buggers, when somebody else comes here to defeat us, they'll find we've already spread over a thousand worlds, we're at peace with ourselves and impossible to destroy. Do you understand? I want to save mankind from self-destruction.”

I feel like mentioning Children and God-Emperor of Dune came out years before this.

She had never seen him speak with such sincerity. With no hint of mockery, no trace of a lie in his voice. He was getting better at this. Or maybe he was actually touching on the truth. "So a twelve-year-old boy and his kid sister are going to save the world?”

"How old was Alexander? I'm not going to do it overnight. I'm just going to start now. If you'll help me.”

I wouldn't compare your scheme for world peace to the guy whose empire famously collapsed as soon as he died of too much party-rocking.

"I don't believe what you did to those squirrels was part of an act. I think you did it because you love to do it.”

Suddenly Peter wept into his hands. Val assumed that he was pretending, but then she wondered. It was possible, wasn't it, that he loved her, and that in this time of terrifying opportunity he was willing to weaken himself before her in order to win her love. He's manipulating me, she thought, but that doesn't mean he isn't sincere. His cheeks were wet when he took his hands away, his eyes rimmed in red. "I know," he said. "It's what I'm most afraid of. That I really am a monster. I don't want to be a killer but I just can't help it.”

Card is really incapable of conveying emotion in his prose or dialogue.

She had never seen him show such weakness. You're so clever, Peter. You saved your weakness so you could use it to move me now. And yet it did move her. Because if it were true, even partly true. then Peter was not a monster, and so she could satisfy her Peter-like love of power without fear of becoming monstrous herself. She knew that Peter was calculating even now, but she believed that under the calculations he was telling the truth. It had been hidden layers deep, but he had probed her until he found her trust.

Everyone in this family is a cold reptilian freak, next.

This chapter is quite painfully long and covers both the elder siblings and Ender, so, I'm splitting this up.
 
"I know the names of the places, I just don't know what they mean.”

"Don't dictate to me about Fairyland. I lived it!"

"Fairyland was programmed in. It's mentioned in a few other places. But nothing talks about the End of the World. We don't have any experience with it.”

Even in the future, the bane of our existence is syntax errors.

"And the mind game is designed to help shape them, help them find worlds they can be comfortable in.”

Which player's comfort world involves wolves pretending to be kids and then eating them?

"The End of the World in the game isn't necessarily the end of humanity in the bugger wars. It has a private meaning to Ender.”

"Good. What meaning?”

"Well, looking at the results of the online personality quiz, he's apparently Barney Rubble."

"The mind game is a relationship between the child and the computer. Together they create stories. The stories are true, in the sense that they reflect the reality of the child's life. That's all I know.”

Then why are you surprised it pulls shit from the child's mind?

His brother is dangerous, his brother was rejected for this program because he's one of the worst human beings we've laid hands on.

Yeah, he totally stands out as uniquely despicable in this book. And despite being disgusted by him, no one decided to do anything about the potential future serial killer that they weren't gonna use for anything.

"Honestly, sir. I don't know. And the mind game program is designed so that it can't tell us.

"Our programmers were kind of lazy and didn't think to add any sort of performance or debug data."

"You mean the computer's making this up as it goes along?”

That's... That's how I imagine you'd expect an AI that generates content works. It's making shit up, otherwise you wouldn't be using it, you'd just be writing the scenarios yourself.

Valentine knew why they had moved here. It was for Peter, so that living among trees and small animals, so that nature in as raw a form as Mother and Father could conceive of it, might have a softening influence on their strange and frightening son.

But I thought Peter hid it sooooo well that the parents never suspected he was disturbed?

for Peter, it was a kind of magic, like her little fires; a sacrifice that somehow stilled the dark gods that hunted for his soul

What in gods name are you blathering about, Small Child?

"I've been deciding," said Peter, "whether to kill you or what.”

Valentine leaned against the trunk of the pine tree, her little fire a few smoldering ashes. "I love you, too, Peter.”

You can't wax on about Peter being this dangerous psychopath and then suddenly highlight how toothless and repetitive his threats have become.

"Valentine, things are coming to a head. I've been tracking troop movements in Russia.”

"What are we talking about?”

"The buggers are a communist plot, obviously."

"So you get him to authorize us to share his citizen's access. To adopt our own identities there, to conceal who we are so people will give us the intellectual respect we deserve.”

They're gonna put all their effort into explaining their political hot takes and the only response is gonna be 'ASL?'

Valentine could challenge him on ideas, but never on things like this. She could not say, What makes you think you deserve respect? She had read about Adolf Hitler. She wondered what he was like at the age of twelve. Not this smart, not like Peter that way, but craving honor, probably that.

I didn't think I'd be reading 'Hitler was a pussy compared to this twelve year old boy' today.

"Val," Peter said. "I know what you think of me. I'm not a nice person, you think.”

The image in my head:

"Peter, we're children, don't you understand that? We're going to school, we're growing up--" But even as she resisted, she wanted him to persuade her. She had wanted him to persuade her from the beginning.

Again, no one has anything else to do in the future. They're bored.
 
This also raises some questions about Ender's family backstory. Early on, it was mentioned that Poland was under international sanction for not enforcing the two-child laws due to its strongly Catholic population, making it a pariah state. But it's still called the Warsaw Pact, which kind of implies Poland never broke away from the largely atheist Soviet Union. So, what's up with that?
I mean, officially the USSR was atheist and no one was supposed to worship, but the USSR was shit at enforcement.
Likewise, Card is shit at worldbuilding.

Remember, Valentine was supposed to be too tender-hearted for the military.
I think that literally just means "resorts to something other than violence to end conflicts"

Card seems to have real contempt for actual teachers.
I think it's supposed to be pity for the conditions they work under but hell if I know.

Also, the move to Greensboro for "the woods" is an odd one because Greensboro is a major metropolitan area. It's got more greenery than NYC which is where I'm guessing the Wiggins are supposed to have been from, but it feels weird calling out 'woods' and not specifying that the house was for example on the outskirts of town (Even in the 80s it was a sizable city).
 
The Mind Game AI seems to be a real outside-the-box thinker. Anyone considered commissioning it as a starship commander?

As for Peter and Valentine, this is just tiresome powercreep. Why should we even be interested in Ender if his brother and sister can take over the world with nothing but a 28.8 modem and their dad's login? (Or if they can't, why are we wasting time on this empty talk?) And for the love of God, if Valentine (or people like her) can pretty much change people's minds with an INT check, why hasn't someone tried putting her on the line with Bugger HQ and having her convince them to stay home? Ugh.
The part about Peter, and only Peter, figuring out the USSR's military machinations is ridiculous too, and Card has no excuse. In the Soviet days we had little idea what was going on behind the Iron Curtain, and we knew it. We didn't know just how much of a sham the Evil Empire was, but we knew it was hard to figure out. Often our best guess as to who had influence in the Communist inner circle was looking at photos of official events and seeing who got the best seats.
But no, Peter read a lot of space newspapers and he's really, really, really smart so he just kind of figured those commies out. Ugh.

And apparently all conversations between smart people (Ender's level and up - not those crayon-eaters in Battle School) are just recursive mind wankery. "Peter scratched his nose, in a clear attempt to appear casual and unguarded. He surely knew that I knew this, but did he know that I know that he knows I know?" On top of that, add on the fact that Peter has been consistently portrayed as a compulsive liar and manipulator who can't speak a single forthright word, so everything coming out of his mouth is a puzzle at best and nonsense at worst. Ugh.

I didn't think I'd be saying I want to get back to Ender buffaloing his bullies, but here we are.
 
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In other words, Russia got sick of capitalism with extra sweatsuits, adopted communism again, and reconquered all its old territory plus change.
It'd be sweet if Card wasn'tt doing this, as I suspect, to give his pet zoosadist the opportunity to destroy it again.

Also, Dune is pretty overrated as a book.
Dune is Reddit: the Novel.

But no matter how much she told herself that she didn't ever want to exploit people the way Peter did, she enjoyed knowing that she could, in her way, control other people.
lmao you two chumps can't control even your own parents.

"So you get him to authorize us to share his citizen's access. To adopt our own identities there, to conceal who we are so people will give us the intellectual respect we deserve.”
Doesn't this mean they'll be posting from Dad's account instead?

And yet it did move her.
What a cunt. If you think your zoosadist freak of a brother deserves a good life, he should be heavily tard-wrangled.

I mean, officially the USSR was atheist and no one was supposed to worship, but the USSR was shit at enforcement.
IRL, the USSR wasn't "shit at enforcement", the USSR didn't enforce. No one would arrest you for playing silently in your head. Some children were baptized. Many people were buried with crosses in place of or on headstones -- the makers of these crosses were state-owned like everything else, it's be easy just to not make any. However, religion wasn't promoted, especially not to captive audiences (like the military, or actual prisons) or on the taxpayer's kopeika.

It's bugfuck insane that right now the ROC is given money to e.g. offer "help" to destitute single mothers, steal their children, and press the children into unpaid work and then into becoming monks to compensate for the church feeding and housing them -- all with taxpayer money. There are priests who have like 90 adopted children and get $700/month in child support from the taxpayer (mothers would've gotten like $50 at best, slightly more if the child is a tard or cripple) and extort even more from local business owners (I am a poor father of 90 and my children need a new Gelandewagen, none of us are without sin, but donate and God will surely protect you during the next audit). The purges didn't go nearly as far as they should have.

With regards to the book, if Poland is part of the new-USSR, international sanctions don't matter, and if a senile Poleaboo is in power again, Polacks might be permitted to breed freely.
 
I distinctly remember that when I read that book and got to the part where two kids anynymously shitposting on an Internet forum somehow managed to change the zeitgeist of the entire humanity, my suspention of disbelief ran screaming for the hills and never came back. I couldn't take anything in that book seriously anymore.

Two underage kids. Shiposting anonymously.

There are hundreds of millions of them on TikTok, who the fuck cares what "I am fifteen and this is deep" has to say.

Also, if you have a self-modifying rogue AI on the loose, alien bugs (sadly, the Russian translation failed to capture the sexual undertone of calling them buggers) may not be your first priority. Especially if it hatched from a bunch of violent open-ended video game scenarios and strange Deviantart fetish porn if Giant's Game death animations are anything to go by.
 
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An underage zoosadist who really wants to torture and murder people and his sister who laughs her ass off when he talks about tortured rabbits because she finds their suffering hilarious.

Those two are supposedly some of the best humanity has to offer and they decide to take over the world.

Are the bugs the good guys?
 
I distinctly remember that when I read that book and got to the part where two kids anynymously shitposting on an Internet forum somehow managed to change the zeitgeist of the entire humanity, my suspention of disbelief ran screaming for the hills and never came back. I couldn't take anything in that book seriously anymore.
Not only that, but it's boring as hell and kills whatever momentum the story was building in Battle School. This was Cards attempt to put political intrigue in his book to make it seem more grand than it is.

It's also worth noting that at this point, Card has picked up that obnoxious "Genetically bred super-children can go Mary Sue mode at will and do anything" trope that Frank Herbert had in Dune.

They not only don't act like children at all, they basically get superpowers with the only justification being "They're super smart because DNA and training"


What a cunt. If you think your zoosadist freak of a brother deserves a good life, he should be heavily tard-wrangled.
Yeah, this is where she goes full retard and ends up helping a literal sadistic psychopath gain widespread political power. This creates a fuckton of problems later in the series.

It also unintentionally shreds that "Too pure and innocent" characterization of Valentine because she does this specifically so she can get power and influence. And potentially access to Ender because she still has an incest-like obsession with him.
And apparently all conversations between smart people (Ender's level and up - not those crayon-eaters in Battle School) are just recursive mind wankery.
That's an unfortunate theme in Cards work. Anyone smart has an insufferable, smug inner monologs and can utterly predict the moves of anyone less smart.

Are the bugs the good guys?
You are very close to predicting a big plot twist here, but I won't spoil it.


If you guys think Ender has bad Mary Sue vibes, wait until Cards even bigger pet character Bean shows up soon.
 
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