🐟 Fishtank Sam Hyde's Fishtank.live General - Jet Neptune's Little House of Horrors

[Hybrid Icing]

So ideally this goes so damn well that investors get dividends, outside of that the other scenario would be a some kind of buyout/aquisition:

There is practically zero chance anyone in the crowdfunding will see anything more than a nominal return in the event of an acquisition. Say that some hypothetical big moneyed moron wants to buy out fishtank for, oh, pick a figure, $15 million.

One way you could structure that is that each shareholder gets their proportional share of that money. If there are one million shares, each would get $15. That'd be fair.

But if you're Sam, you structure it such that shareholders get made whole, with a little profit--say $1.2 million goes to them--and Sam and the gang gets a nice $13.8 million talent contract to keep them working. The acquirer doesn't really give a shit either way so long as the total price is right.

In a normal corporation shareholders could stop that kind of thing, but here, you have no board seats and the money at play is too small to sue over anyway. People should REALLY assume that they're just making a big gift to Sam Hyde with this thing.

 

[Leo Frank]

Do you think Sam is taking pity on him because he’s become such an insufferable lolcow after the show that 90% of people who worked with him have dropped him or came out against him or he’s gaslighting him into thinking they’re pals so he can bring him back on next season and make a lot of money off of bullying and gaslighting him? You’re right, Jon hype train is dead and he’s desperate.

If they bring Jon back he will 100% be eaten alive by TTS alone and will be so cocky thinking he’s the favorite since he’s a veteran getting special treatment and he will inevitably make the new fish hate him, especially women if he comes in with his Tate worship and calling everyone sluts. He’ll make the guys hate him talking about his obvious fake “successful” businesses and his alpha male persona that he believes he falls into when he’s retarded. Yes, he’s autistic but there are a lot of autistic people who aren’t retarded. Jon is retarded. He would infuriate rando fishtank contestants who have no idea about Fishtank/MDE and if they have even one person in that house who knows about the premise of the show or Jon they’ll hate him even more and target him.

Edit: not to mention what Hassle will do to him if they cross paths since Jon has recently been trying to get attention from fucking Boogie of all people. The only thing that would save him there is if Sam instructed Hassle to take it easy on him but fans would catch on if he got off easy.

 

[Aidan]

Thanks @JungleRectum for clipping that. I watched it yesterday so am slow on the draw.

Can someone explain who this is?

@Heather Mason 2 got it. I'll add, he's admitted he's into Betty as well. He's particularly notable because he's near Josie. Sane people, that's all you need to know.
For anyone still curious, he's admitted to messaging Josie multiple times, even using Throne gifts with messages to try to reach her because she hasn't read his DMs. Here's a link to my post with his 4chan posts.

 

[Lowercase I internet]

If they bring Jon back he will 100% be eaten alive by TTS alone and will be so cocky thinking he’s the favorite since he’s a veteran getting special treatment and he will inevitably make the new fish hate him, especially women if he comes in with his Tate worship and calling everyone sluts.

From the perspective of an OG Jon fan it wouldn't even be fun and would be the very definition of beating a dead horse. Jon was great at first because he wasn't aware of his fame. All the shit he did with Simmons, the meltdowns he had, the conflicts and friendships he made in the first 16 days were because he was being genuine. The moment he was exposed to what made him famous he became tainted.

When Jon returned he took every attribute that made him great, over exaggerated it, and as a result it felt very artificial and forced. In the first 16 days Jon and Letty were pretty close. They were genuine friends. Arguments they had were funny and endearing because they were real. The moment Jon was exposed to social media fame it gave him the impression that he had to double down on being a Tate bro faggot who screams like a retard because people found it funny. He simply didn't realize that what made it funny was he wasn't self aware when doing those things.

Jon doing pushups every time an alarm clock went off was funny because he wanted to do them. The day Jon came back he got up on a counter and started doing squats. It was a way of him saying "Haha guys look at me doing funny Jon workout stuff because I'm Jon. You can laugh now." The original endearment was gone, and what remained was a husk of what Jon was at the start. E-fame corrupts.

On the topic of fame and how it effects contestant, I think one of the brilliant things Sam did on the show was fuel the flames for fish with their e-fame, but never overdid it. At the start of the show he said Mr. Beast shouted the show out and it had over 100k viewers. When he showed Jon that fake Andrew Tate tweet it was a way to make him think he was poplar, but it didn't result in him being tainted as a character. When Sam told Vance he had a very dedicated fanbase, it pushed him to apply himself a bit harder and lead to the "Let's GOOO" phrase and the schizo arc. There's example for all fish. I hope in this upcoming season they will fuck with the fish by making up what's going on outside of the house way more.

 

[Punitive Castration]

he’s gaslighting him into thinking they’re pals so he can bring him back on next season and make a lot of money off of bullying and gaslighting him

I dunno if you've ever seen Windy City Heat but I found it very informative for understanding the specific art form that goes into a show like Fishtank. The careful balance of lovebombing and trolling. I don't think they can successfully gaslight Jon anymore but they can keep him hooked like Sylvia did in Dallas by inflating his ego and bullshitting him about what the TTSes mean.

But I agree with @Lowercase I internet that they already explored everything they really could with Jon. The 10 Step Gaslight Jon Plan put his whole ass on display for the audience and the only thing left would be to bring Jon on and break his ego completely by having Sam and Frank dress him down out of character, but I think production would consider that too far. I would like to see Sam tell Jon out of character that he's a shithead but it's the sort of "tearing people down" moment they're trying to avoid.

Also: Jon did a stream the other day that was over 3 hours long, I just flicked through it at random and probably won't watch it in full but I did hear Jon say that production told him that for some period of time on Day 7 they were thinking he would be the first that they would eliminate, because they could tell he was already starting to be impacted mentally by the house. And then of course the Simmons stuff kicked off and they altered course.

 

[Leo Frank]

I dunno if you've ever seen Windy City Heat but I found it very informative for understanding the specific art form that goes into a show like Fishtank. The careful balance of lovebombing and trolling. I don't think they can successfully gaslight Jon anymore but they can keep him hooked like Sylvia did in Dallas by inflating his ego and bullshitting him about what the TTSes mean.

But I agree with @Lowercase I internet that they already explored everything they really could with Jon. The 10 Step Gaslight Jon Plan put his whole ass on display for the audience and the only thing left would be to bring Jon on and break his ego completely by having Sam and Frank dress him down out of character, but I think production would consider that too far. I would like to see Sam tell Jon out of character that he's a shithead but it's the sort of "tearing people down" moment they're trying to avoid.

Also: Jon did a stream the other day that was over 3 hours long, I just flicked through it at random and probably won't watch it in full but I did hear Jon say that production told him that for some period of time on Day 7 they were thinking he would be the first that they would eliminate, because they could tell he was already starting to be impacted mentally by the house. And then of course the Simmons stuff kicked off and they altered course.

Reading what you and @Lowercase I internet said, it makes a lot of sense. I have personally been confused because it seems like they’re still gaslighting him a bit on Twitter. From liking and sharing tweets making fun of Tate knowing Jon would see them then love bombing him liking, retweeting and commenting on some of his stuff. I didn’t know how much care and sympathy Sam actually has towards Jon or if he secretly thinks he’s still deserving of being humbled by their audience and new fish in the tank for a few days while they make money off him.

I know you can’t change people, but Sam seems like one of the people who could legitimately guide Jon in the right direction and tell him he needs to behave differently online if he wants to capitalize off the bit of attention he got from the show. Jon has to understand he’s not Sam, when he tells slut jokes, fat jokes, etc. it’s not even funny and will turn people away. Whenever Jon is trying to be funny, he’s the opposite. He’s accidentally funny and that’s why I liked him his first two weeks in the house. When he returned he was a complete ass.

I think Jon wants to go back because his own online career is going downhill fast and he knows he needs another boost. Repeating myself here, but I really can’t tell how much they care for him if at all. I feel like they flip flop, like when he’s talking to Letty’s schizo exes and trying to bring attention to them they think he’s being a total dickhead along with fighting with Sylvia, asking people for $500 for appearances on podcasts, etc. Other times I don’t know if they feel sorry for him that the other fish have either called him out directly, burned him or just cut him off (besides Betty if she counts) and his views and engagement are dwindling.
He was lucky enough to get Sam to be his first guest on his podcast and seeing Sam be very real with him, much more than you’ve seen Sam open up publicly on other podcasts setting Jon up for other guests to want to sign on like Rusty Cage who is a pretty good catch and then the decline to others most have no idea who they are with views falling each podcast and then he was on Alex Stein’s show but don’t know if he’ll get an invite back.

I assume Jon has asked them if he can come back as a freeloader at some point and they’ve told him we’ll see. I’m assuming they’re going to wait and see how well season 2 does and the vibe and how much of his time they can control along with privately guiding him and possibly even censoring some TTS because there is some strong Jon hate out there now. He’s beefed with so many randos after the show you can’t even keep track. I’m not completely sure that if the show was underperforming they wouldn’t be willing to throw him back in to stir up nostalgia of those who love/loved him and those who hate him and will be watching in hopes he’s humiliated and gaslight him again. If he does return, he’ll either be brought in and coached to be a hero or a villain while still being manipulated by production to some degree to get the performance they want out of him.

 

[Tom Myers]

I really liked Jon on Fishtank, even defending him against allegations of being retarded. His social media presence has convinced me he really is a dumb fuck. Tried to watch his streams and they're just bad. Even the first one with Samuyil Hyde was horrible. In later episodes, he's berating the chat for not donating. Dude has interesting insta stories where he's doing outdoorsy stuff, but he's not interesting enough to have a one-person stream. All of the fishes aren't interesting enough to have a solo stream.

 

[CHARizard]

If they bring Jon back he will 100% be eaten alive by TTS alone

Jon is annoying, but I would watch Sam Hyde kick him for hours if he came back.

 

[t(h)rash]

 

[Heather Mason 2]

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JON LOOK OUT IT'S A PINK HAIRED SLUT!!!

 

[DustBuns]

Based Jon also a fellow BPD woman enjoyer.

 

[Punitive Castration]

Letty come sit with us, we are (mostly) Letty appreciators


Other stuff:

• From Jon's stream the other day. Vance appears early on in the chat and Jon says they should hang out in person (which would be great, because then he would burn the last genuine bridge he has with anyone who isn't just stringing him along).
  In the middle of a subsequent rant about what he has to do to cope with autism he says he hopes for the best in his relationships but prepares for the worst, and says he "hopes for the best with Sylvia but prepares for the worst since she's going to stab my back." And then continues "I hope for the best with Vance but I'm always expecting something could go crazy." And then says that's why he knows how to use a gun. ????
• Betty replies to Jon's tweet saying fat people should be slaves saying "Time to get fat," Jon smiles and says "That means she wants to be my slave " He tells his retard handler friend Gage that Betty is a "super skinny person"
• Jon argues that he didn't leave the cell and that he was "tricked" into leaving by the other fish who told him he left the room by making a hole.
• Jon says Sylvia left the cell because "I was reading about the Bible and Sylvia is just like possessed by a demon"
• When the bit where Ben confronts Jon about him phoning the challenge in happens, Jon conspicuously excuses himself to get coffee, leaving Gage to stare at the events unfolding like this

• Gage asks Jon why the other contestants care that he's phoning it in and why Sylvia said Jon was having an autistic meltdown and Jon says it's because Sylvia is a drama queen.

https://youtu.be/AJhE2b0tWj8?t=8955

• Jon thinks Letty took a shit in the closet. He says she had a crush on him and tried to fuck him on the show, and is weird, and his tard handler replies "She's weird because she had a crush on you?" Gay guy, much
• Jon's JJJJJJ clan is depleted of members on the fishtank.live website, he gets very distraught and starts spamming invitations to the users and bitching that he lost 170 people. I think it's been disbanded now so he will be very irate. He makes this face which is horrible.

• They go back to episode 2 and Gage doesn't understand what Damiel says about Sylvia, Jon explains: "He was saying he would swing on Sylvia, like beat the shit out of her, the fat chick." During Sylvia's speech Jon goes "Everyone thinks they're unique so every time I hear someone say I think I'm different I think I'm special I'm a fucking snowflake- like shut the fuck up, no one gives a fuck. Everyone thinks they're special no one's fucking special in this world, yeah everyone thinks they're the one- yea no everyone who thinks that is fucking entitled." Jon pans Letty's speech as well, comparing her to a "lesbian dyke in college talking about her trauma"

So far Jon seems to be deliberately avoiding watching episode 3 on camera. Gee I wonder why.

 

[Devil's Avocado]

Yeah, Letty, we know now you're reading this thread, so come join and do a Q&A. People definitely still have (I know I do) a lot of unanswered questions about the show. This thread is probably the least toxic place for discussion of the show compared to the likes of Twitter, Reddit, and 4chan and would be great for archival purposes.

If not that, at least do reaction videos for rest of the episodes (and extras) since the first one was really good.

 

[KingFrampt]

not to mention what Hassle will do to him

Frank and Jon hung out together at a Joeyy concert already and went shooting together too

 

[Sicko Hunter]

This thread is probably the least toxic place for discussion of the show compared to the likes of Twitter, Reddit, and 4chan and would be great for archival purposes.

I remember during the show KF went down so I was forced to go to /tv/ to discuss the show and it was literally so fucking bad it was unreal. Everyone was a plant, every schizophrenic retarded conspiracy was just taken at face value, everyone was super horny to a disgusting degree and the thread had a serial spammer who made AI CP to try and get the thread deleted. Even the fishtank subreddit is a better place to discuss the show. This thread by far is the highest quality place for Fishtank discussion online.

 

[Punitive Castration]

I remember during the show KF went down so I was forced to go to /tv/ to discuss the show and it was literally so fucking bad it was unreal. Everyone was a plant, every schizophrenic retarded conspiracy was just taken at face value, everyone was super horny to a disgusting degree and the thread had a serial spammer who made AI CP to try and get the thread deleted. Even the fishtank subreddit is a better place to discuss the show. This thread by far is the highest quality place for Fishtank discussion online.

not trying to suck our collective dick but that's how it is to me, anyway

I stayed completely away from /tv/ because it's all Josie posting. During the outage I went to a mainstream Discord where they had to segregate the Josiecels because otherwise discussion of the show was drowned out.

I can be self aware and say most of the stuff I've posted in the thread is too long-winded to fly anywhere besides a website that's structured like a forum, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's too cringe for lots of people. Writing letters back and forth is old social media. But when sneedchat was live I think that was the best place to discuss the show, for any person. Hopefully dear sneeder brings it back in December.

 

[Telecom]

Jet MUST disavow letty as a KIWIFREAK now

 

[Hybrid Icing]

Yeah, Letty, we know now you're reading this thread, so come join and do a Q&A.

Don't listen to this guy! We're (unfortunately) perceived as toxic waste, so, if you ever want to get a normie job sometime, best not to have your real-life identity tied in any way to the farms.

Sad but true.

 

[AskeDead]

Letty, I know you're reading this. Please have sex with me

 

[Devil's Avocado]

Don't listen to this guy! We're (unfortunately) perceived as toxic waste, so, if you ever want to get a normie job sometime, best not to have your real-life identity tied in any way to the farms.

Sad but true.

I think, if not before, employability ship sailed at the very latest the moment the extremely offensive Crips vs. Bloods challenge started. So not much to lose here and might as well dive all in.