Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

And we know it's inevitable because there's no reason to believe the Ukes will be any less incompetent with them than with any of the other shit we've given them.
I'm dreading but also kind of looking forward to the inevitable images of busted up Abrams tanks simply to see these people's reactions.
It's not about the tanks or even Ukrainians.

For nearly 50 years, after the Vietnam war, starting with poor Grenada in 1983 and then Panama in 1989, the US has been careful to take on only overmatched opponents. Scarcely anyone alive in the US has any memory of what it is like to face a peer military competitor, which last happened in the Korean war. And after the fall of the USSR, Western forces have been changed to make them more and more standoff-munitions and surveillance based. Just take the obsession with MALE drones for example. They're great against an opponent without radars or an air force but they are pathetically weak against even the most basic SAMs (let alone or AAMs or even aircraft with guns). With tanks, the assumption has been that American soldiers will be safe behind their DU armour with their ammo carefully stored in blow-out bustles and they will always have overhead surveillance, CAS and CASEVAC on demand and face no EWAR or comms jamming or hostile ISR.
Any rational person can deduce that in the Ukraine war, even Abrams can and will be taken out, even if they were crewed by the best US crews - maybe they'll survive frontal hits but they'll be taken out by:
  1. LMURs firing from KA-52s 15km away or
  2. PKTM top-attack antitank mines or
  3. tandem warhead RPG-7s (no ERA or APS lol) or
  4. RPG-29s or
  5. RPG-30s or
  6. even just Orlan-lased Krasnopol 152mm shells or
  7. just plain remotely-dispersed antitank mines.

This is going to happen.
Western ground kit is failing because it is designed for police actions and mopping up after saturation missile and air strikes, not actual war against an enemy. None of these things in the list above are new and all of them are effective against Western kit.
 
Looks like stock market is pricing in peace treaty soon lol.
Look at the dates, it's an old screenshot, it cuts off right as the coof starts.

Which is where every graph for RTN ends, it turns out. Did they shuffle it around, switch tickers or something? I can find RTX for Raytheon now instead of RTN.
 
With tanks, the assumption has been that American soldiers will be safe behind their DU armour with their ammo carefully stored in blow-out bustles and they will always have overhead surveillance, CAS and CASEVAC on demand and face no EWAR or comms jamming or hostile ISR.
Any rational person can deduce that in the Ukraine war, even Abrams can and will be taken out, even if they were crewed by the best US crews

We've seen the same with actual US troops in Ukraine. The US infantryman is one of the best-trained, best-equipped infantrymen in the world, but without US command, logistics, satellites, CAS, etc, he's not some kind of invincible superweapon who can do anything but cower and hope he doesn't die as shells rain down around him. Our guys went over there, expecting to be door-kicking badasses like they were in Iraq, and without the US military system behind them, they haven't been able to do anything.

As an analogy, at a past job, we hired a Google software engineer who'd been laid off. He was pretty arrogant, because it's hard to get hired at Google, and he'd been paid about 3x what any of us make, and of course had worked on projects with bigger budgets than our entire payroll. Except we were a startup...so when you dropped him into a situation with a disorganized Jira, no HR, no testing framework to speak of, no customers to get feedback from, software architecture that changed in fundamental ways every two days, well, he wasn't much of a rock star any more. He was fine, but he didn't appreciate how his whole "rock star programmer" reputation depended on the system he was in before. He quit after about 6 months.
 
These New York Times articles where they're being so blasé about "oh yeah there's been ever increasing need to draft women, Ukranians have been forming special women only training units and encouraging women to sign up and fight".


I hope one day they will look back and think long and hard whether it was worth it and what it was all for. I know the ghouls in the west never will because they clearly don't care. But maybe the Ukranians themselves at one point will think about what this was all for.


They won't. This people have been blaming Russia since the collapse of Soviet Union for all their messes and inabilitty to become a prosperous country. While by all accounts they had the resources and industry to be one. But hey! Somehow Russian in the 90' and early 2000's managed to constantly sabotage them. Nevermind Russia as a country figurativly speaking was that neighborgood drunk that could barelly put his pants on.

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Anyway, IMF has released their October World Economic Outlook Projections, which give Russia predicted GDP growth for 2023. There real growth probably will be higher as IMF is most of the time off in predicting Russian growth or fucking anyones besides EU's.
 
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Anyway, IMF has released their October World Economic Outlook Projections, which give Russia predicted GDP growth for 2023. There real growth probably will be higher as IMF is most of the time off in predicting Russian growth or fucking nyones besides EU's.
Last year they predicted a 3.4% reduction in Russian economy for 2022, reality was 2.1% reduction. They also predicted 2.1% reduction in 2023, now they're predicting a 2.2% growth instead. Their prediction of a 1.1% growth in 2024 means, if the trend holds, we're looking at an actual 8.4% growth for 2024. That's better than India! Please west, give us more sanctions, they're accomplishing miracles!
 
They won't. This people have been blaming Russia since the collapse of Soviet Union for all their messes and inabilitty to become a prosperous country. While by all accounts they had the resources and industry to be one. But hey! Somehow Russian in the 90' and early 2000's managed to constantly sabotage them. Nevermind Russia as a country figurativly speaking was that neighborgood drunk that could barelly put his pants on.

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Anyway, IMF has released their October World Economic Outlook Projections, which give Russia predicted GDP growth for 2023. There real growth probably will be higher as IMF is most of the time off in predicting Russian growth or fucking anyones besides EU's.
The Western Right hates Russia because they still remember the communism in the Soviet Union and Western Leftists hate Russia because they abandoned communism.
 
Last year they predicted a 3.4% reduction in Russian economy for 2022, reality was 2.1% reduction. They also predicted 2.1% reduction in 2023, now they're predicting a 2.2% growth instead. Their prediction of a 1.1% growth in 2024 means, if the trend holds, we're looking at an actual 8.4% growth for 2024. That's better than India! Please west, give us more sanctions, they're accomplishing miracles!
If they fix their demographic problems, Russia is in for a boom.
 
If Russia wasn't in on the Ukrainian demolition project with America, then America is supremely stupid.

Ukraine is demographically and geographically dead. There is no hope of a powerful Ukraine for generations. And they knew this would happen and lied anyway and did it anyway.

Zelensky gets to be alive while all those Russians and Ukrainians died horribly.

... and all of you already know this and have known it since the USA started telegraphing this war over a decade ago. And I am still annoyed.

but at least I was right
 
Good grief how the mighty troon has fallen:

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It turns out that many captured Ukrainians have volunteered to switch sides and fight for Russia and UKR would have you believe that Russia is handing out loaded machine guns to enemy prisoners and is somehow forcing them to shoot at other Ukrainians instead of using them against their captors to escape.
 
Well if Jews can fix their demographic problem and still outbred against sandniggers, Russians should be able to do the same.

Usually they breed like hell if there is a national threat that unites them and it becomes a duty or responsibility to have at least three kids.

I think that in the future the Jews and Russia will become closely aligned. After all, they are both ethnostate with religious and autocratic tendencies. Jews are just smarter, more organized, more driven, and er...not as corrupt.

I think Russia will be a good place to migrate if you can tolerate the xenophobia to certain degree and overcome the corruption. Tons of opportunity there. Huge land and resources. Tons of western institutions.
 
Which need to be purged. Stay the fuck out, we don’t need westoid refugees to flood in, demand gibs, and then try to enforce the idiocy that destroyed your own countries. Sit in the mess you made.
But what if I come to Russia as a skilled tradesman, already able to speak/read some Russian, and I'm ready to assimilate?
 
But what if I come to Russia as a skilled tradesman, already able to speak/read some Russian, and I'm ready to assimilate?
“Some” Russian? If your desire was genuine you’d learn to speak fluently before coming, it’s not a difficult language. Why would we want a westoid carpenter or whatever who can barely ask for directions when we could get an armenian carpenter who already speaks Russian?
 
“Some” Russian? If your desire was genuine you’d learn to speak fluently before coming, it’s not a difficult language. Why would we want a westoid carpenter or whatever who can barely ask for directions when we could get an armenian carpenter who already speaks Russian?
Well, let me clarify, when I say "some" Russian, I mean that I'm not going to have a deep, intricate discussion on Rocketry with you, but I can shoot the shit and work/live with you without problems.
 
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