In the civilized world, no. You cannot coerce and threaten and force your way into a girl's panties. That is called rape and regardless of whether it makes sense or not, that definition is ever changing and fluctuating depending on the circumstances. (Not that I think the goal post moving is a good thing) There's a thing called Jail for men that do this.
Lol at jail for men who rape women they know/date/marry
In the West, majority of men you encounter will not rape you.
This is true.
Majority of men are not the rapist sex pigs you describe as a result. There is a legal apparatus that keeps men from behaving the way you describe.
Hmm. 1) Sad if that's what it takes (not taking a position here, just responding to your words), and I'd posit that if legal ramifications are the only thing holding a hypothetical man from raping, then he is indeed a rapist sex pig; and 2) the legal system is pretty ineffective for most rape.
It's quite effective at it. In the West, the days of dragging women back to your cave are for the most part, over. So yes, women hold the keys. The premise of this idea is balance, men hold the power of marriage, women hold the power of sex.
There is a terrible dynamic in this. It's a matter of - at a minimum - ethics. Let's say this: if person knows that another person only does x because they believe y, then the first person who lets or encourages the second person believe y just so that the first person can do x, and the first person does whatever is necessary to make the second person think y is true, even when the first person knows it isn't, then the first person is an exploitative shit. That's perfectly fine in war and sometimes in commerce (though even commerce has rules in civilized societies), but anyone who brings
caveat emptor into personal or intimate relationships as a defense is morally deficient.
That said, any potential "second persons" should invest deeply in
caveat emptor and act accordingly. But that's not a moral issue nor an ethical one for those second persons; it's a pragmatic approach and one of self-preservation.
But in modern relationships, I have not known a man to just go out on a limb and buy an engagement ring without feeling out what his partner's response would be
I was with you on everything in your first two-thirds, but I have known men to do this.
Rape is whatever the judge says it is nowadays.
Rape is defined by law. Unfortunately for victims of it, the law is poorly fit for dealing with a lot of it.
Arguing otherwise is pointless in today's world. Your parents should be teaching you ways to avoid dangerous situations.
Like dating? Because that's where a lot of it happens.
If they don't, or fail to, or you don't listen, then there's only so much sympathy you deserve. If that's not the case, then you deserve the sympathy and justice you (hopefully) get.
Which is zero, in most cases.
Be thankful you've not experienced it and likely never will.
at the same time she fucked around and found out.
And so should he, but it's relatively rare.
You HAVE to make sure that semen is collected and that the police have physical proof enough to put the deviant behind bars for many years.
And that is absolutely non-probative in the case of acquaintance/intimate person rape.
Men don't believe women anymore is largely because of #MeToo. Prior to it, men pretty much unquestionably believed women's accusations.
With all due respect, you are out of your fucking mind on this.
Almost to a detriment. Your viewpoints seem very dated and don't take the recent events into account.
Oh, gosh, yes, the world changed way way back in 2017. No more rape, hallelujah.
As far as #MeToo goes, I think that irreparable damage to men's belief of women.
That never existed. Ever.
Moreover, it's NOT a question if whether "men" believe shit. It is supposed to be, like all other crimes, what actually happened. If you think "what men believe" is somehow relevant to facts or should be relevant to law, you are applying a weird standard to one particular crime.
Too many innocent people had their lives ruined with no recourse.
Yes, all the women raped with no recourse (most of them).
I'm more of a drunk rich lady from the country club mobbing you with a t-shirt cannon
Heiress, pious Episcopal exemplar, did no one tell you that repeatedly blasting either of those is both unseemly
and rather unChristian?
