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You're not getting elective abortions that late in the pregnancy back because most people consider that to be tantamount to infanticide. If you were smart you'd be arguing for medically necessary abortions, but based on your posts in this thread you clearly aren't that.
I'm telling you what the cutoff used to be, and it was 24.5 weeks. It's the point of viability.
You're correct. Men aren't powerless, but women do hold the keys ultimately. Prior to abortion though, men had to put in more effort into getting what they want.
No. Women do not "hold the keys". There are a million and one ways for men to force, coerce and threaten women into giving them sex. Rape most prominently, which you seem to think just never happens.
And shitty women will think twice if I tell them I love raping and murdering all my girlfriends and burying them in the desert after a few weeks, but I don't think waving enormous red flags until the bad ones run away is ever going to be a viable dating strategy for anybody.
TBF I think the good ones ought to run away too if you said that, leaving only the crazies and girls with a deathwish.
 
TBF I think the good ones ought to run away too if you said that, leaving only the crazies and girls with a deathwish.
That's my point, if a woman opens with "I can't wait to have unwanted children and gouge a man for child support" you'd have to be retarded to stick around, even if you do want commitment and kids.
 
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Rules that fundamentalist christians are required to follow:

(Seriously extreme wall of:politisperg:):
- Marriage is permanent, hence " 'till death do us part". The couple may choose to separate, but the man is permanently responsible for caring for the woman and their children as a father.

- Both are required to remain monogamous to each other. Even including the man.

- Contraception is (usually) acceptable, however they should both abstain if not prepared for a child and all the risks/work involved. This is the main reason why premarital sex is disallowed.

- When a pregnancy does happen it is not to be aborted, unless it obviously and unavoidably threatens the life of the mother. C-sections are to be done in these cases whenever possible.

- The mother is responsible for caring for the children, and the father is to work to the degree required to support them, assisting the mother whenever able. This includes children born with disabilities, the burden lies on the father to provide for the disabled child.

- In the event the man dies, the woman is permitted to remarry, and encouraged to if the children are still young.

- In the event the woman dies, the man is permitted to remarry, but in all cases discouraged from doing so. In the case the children are still young, he is expected to work enough to provide hired maternal care for the children, or if not possible, remarry.

- Most importantly: the man shall NOT beat his wife or children.

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This isn't even close to the exhaustive list, but is a snippet of some general conventions derived from the full set of biblical rules

It gets pretty impersonal, but it is strict principle that both should follow. IE 'oppressive' to both the man and woman. It is all derived from the bible, with tweaks being made as medical practice has developed. Of course it is especially bad looking to someone who dislikes gender roles, but it is what it is.

So those drunk wifebeaters who divorce and do not want to pay child support are in fact NOT adhering to their religion.

Many fundamentalists tend to seclude themselves from the Internet, since, well, you know. So generally people on the Internet and news only hear much of them when something has gone terribly wrong.
I am not claiming it does not happen, but the religion ittself is certainly not responsible for it.

Edit addition:
The bible speaks almost exclusively in terms of men ie "All men are created equal." It is convention to interpret these as both men and women, since Latin masculine nouns can include woman, and probably do. See Spanish gender nouns for a better example.
 
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No. Women do not "hold the keys". There are a million and one ways for men to force, coerce and threaten women into giving them sex. Rape most prominently, which you seem to think just never happens.
In the civilized world, no. You cannot coerce and threaten and force your way into a girl's panties. That is called rape and regardless of whether it makes sense or not, that definition is ever changing and fluctuating depending on the circumstances. (Not that I think the goal post moving is a good thing) There's a thing called Jail for men that do this. In the West, majority of men you encounter will not rape you. Majority of men are not the rapist sex pigs you describe as a result. There is a legal apparatus that keeps men from behaving the way you describe. It's quite effective at it. In the West, the days of dragging women back to your cave are for the most part, over. So yes, women hold the keys. The premise of this idea is balance, men hold the power of marriage, women hold the power of sex.
 
In the civilized world, no. You cannot coerce and threaten and force your way into a girl's panties. That is called rape and regardless of whether it makes sense or not, that definition is ever changing and fluctuating depending on the circumstances. (Not that I think the goal post moving is a good thing) There's a thing called Jail for men that do this. In the West, majority of men you encounter will not rape you. Majority of men are not the rapist sex pigs you describe as a result. There is a legal apparatus that keeps men from behaving the way you describe. It's quite effective at it. In the West, the days of dragging women back to your cave are for the most part, over. So yes, women hold the keys. The premise of this idea is balance, men hold the power of marriage, women hold the power of sex.
Is this something that you read, or just something you worked out on your own?
 
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In the civilized world, no. You cannot coerce and threaten and force your way into a girl's panties. That is called rape and regardless of whether it makes sense or not, that definition is ever changing and fluctuating depending on the circumstances.
I find that men conveniently like to define rape in only the worst possible terms, so that rapes only happen when the woman is also severely injured, assaulted, or dead. Men seem to have no problem believing a dead woman was raped, but if a live one says this happened to her and names her perpetrator, the men suddenly go into defensive mode. They ask questions like "what was she wearing?", "was she drunk or high?", "were they dating?" etc., looking for mitigating factors to excuse the rapist's crime. Don't pretend this doesn't happen.
(Not that I think the goal post moving is a good thing) There's a thing called Jail for men that do this. In the West, majority of men you encounter will not rape you. Majority of men are not the rapist sex pigs you describe as a result. There is a legal apparatus that keeps men from behaving the way you describe. It's quite effective at it.
The law's not an effective deterrent as is IMO. The social stigma of reporting a rape is still high, and there are millions of rape kits sitting in evidence rooms across the country that have gone untested for years. Most men won't believe a woman was raped if she's still alive, and the defendant will say the rape never happened, or if it did, it was consensual. So it's quite easy to get away with a rape when all the other men are willing to look the other way, and the people charged with justice and law enforcement sit on their hands.
In the West, the days of dragging women back to your cave are for the most part, over. So yes, women hold the keys. The premise of this idea is balance, men hold the power of marriage, women hold the power of sex.
We hold the keys to the extent that you respect a woman's ability to say "No". And I find men in general, and men here in particular, have tons of trouble with this concept. They think no means "Maybe later", "another drink first", or "convince me". And like I said, men always have the option to just ignore what a woman's no or pretend he didn't hear it.

And how the hell do men "hold the power of marriage"? Do you think this is the case because the man is supposed to "pop the question" and present her with an engagement ring? Historically, sure, men held the power of this contract because women were chattel, traded from father to husband like a heifer. But in modern relationships, I have not known a man to just go out on a limb and buy an engagement ring without feeling out what his partner's response would be.
 
Abortion being legal or not legal doesn't change that people have always had sex outside of marriage.

You'd have to be either very young, autistic, or homeschooled in a closet to be this naive.
Yes, people have premarital sex and always have. However, babies are a consequence of sex and always have been. Abortion is still evil in every aspect and outside of a fetus killing the mother, should never happen. It's gay and retarded.
 
Beating your children is explicitly encouraged in the Bible.
Partially correct, the best match is Proverbs 13:24:
"Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him."

While hitting your children with a rod is well classified as beating your children, I don't think the literal meaning of discipline as exclusive beating is the proper interpretation.

However, the New Testament overrules the Old where conflicts appear (for christians). In it Paul says in Ephesians 6:4:
"Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord."
and Colossians 3:21:
"Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged."

"Provoke" in these cases is commonly interpreted as literally "making the children angry". Which is then derived into disallowing discipline without good reason.
Therefore the convention is that discipline is in fact encouraged, but must have good and valid basis that the child understands.

Therefore, violent corporal punishment is not forbidden, nor explicitly encouraged. Disciplining your children is expected, but that does not have to be violent.
Most of those people (hopefully) know that just because you are allowed to do something does not mean you have to do it.

To bring it back on-topic, beating your wife at all is expressly forbidden, also in Ephesians 5:33 :
"However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her
husband."

You are encouraged to read around the listed quotes, since they touch on similar subjects.
 
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I find that men conveniently like to define rape in only the worst possible terms, so that rapes only happen when the woman is also severely injured, assaulted, or dead. Men seem to have no problem believing a dead woman was raped, but if a live one says this happened to her and names her perpetrator, the men suddenly go into defensive mode. They ask questions like "what was she wearing?", "was she drunk or high?", "were they dating?" etc., looking for mitigating factors to excuse the rapist's crime. Don't pretend this doesn't happen.
What matters most is the legal definition as rape is a crime. It's true some incel-type spergs argue around this because they simply hate women, but they should be easy to separate from good faith discussion on the subject, which is treated VERY stupidly by feminists too.
So let's dive in shall we.
- forced, non-consensual sex is definitely rape even if the woman is not injured in any way
Where things get complicated is in the area of intoxicants, partying, and people getting smashed, fucking, and then the woman (usually) feeling remorse. Obviously if you find some drunk chick nearly comatose and you just decide to have sex with her, it's rape. But if you get smashed together, it ends up in kissing and groping and then sex, well, you participated and it's too late to claim you didn't actually feel like it.
What was she wearing and similar questions are incredibly important, as they are a recognition of a biological reality - men are stronger, hornier, far more violent and dangerous to lonely women. The hotter the lonely woman and the more skin she shows, the higher the potential for predation. That is STILL rape by all accounts, but at the same time she fucked around and found out. You cannot ignore biological realities, especially if you are frail and prone to be bullied by stronger people. In the US, get a gun I guess.
Most importantly, is to IMMEDIATELY go to a hospital and/or police station if raped, not tomorrow, not in 10 years. You HAVE to make sure that semen is collected and that the police have physical proof enough to put the deviant behind bars for many years. Don't delay, shame is not a good reason to not report a serious crime.
 
To bring it back on-topic, beating your wife at all is expressly forbidden, also in Ephesians 5:33 :
"However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her
husband."
I think it takes some pretty wild interpretations to come away with the idea you shouldn't hit your kids when the Bible literally tells your to hit your kids. Yes, it's not okay with you getting drunk and randomly hitting them, but it definitely explicitly condones violent discipline.

I do agree with though that wifebeating is very much not okay, and there are a lot more verses that tell men to be kind and loving to their wives, although with the caveat that by the social norms of ancient times this probably didn't rule out beating them if they disrespected you. There's no explicit reference to whether or not it's okay to hit your wife, just general directions to be kind and loving to them, and 'kind and loving' can be pretty relative. I think a person reading the Bible now would be insane to think it condones wife-beating, but a person reading it 1,000 years ago probably wouldn't be out of line in thinking it's okay with him hitting his wife if she backtalks him.
 
I'm telling you what the cutoff used to be, and it was 24.5 weeks. It's the point of viability.
And I'm telling you that is way too late into the pregnancy to be getting an elective abortion and most of the industrialized world agrees with me on this issue.
 
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Most importantly, is to IMMEDIATELY go to a hospital and/or police station if raped, not tomorrow, not in 10 years. You HAVE to make sure that semen is collected and that the police have physical proof enough to put the deviant behind bars for many years. Don't delay, shame is not a good reason to not report a serious crime.
Obviously yes and I would never discourage reporting and getting a rape kit done. But I do want to acknowledge that having a nurse swab your vulva and scrape under your fingernails for the perp's DNA is invasive. Talking to the police used to be so awful that women compared it to the rape itself, to say nothing of a jury trial.

It's a very underreported crime. I don't think mutually intoxicated fucking is rape. But I also think wheedling, persuading, "gaming" a woman into touching you or otherwise incrementally forcing her to fuck you isn't really consensual either.

That is STILL rape by all accounts, but at the same time she fucked around and found out. You cannot ignore biological realities, especially if you are frail and prone to be bullied by stronger people. In the US, get a gun I guess.
idk I just think a higher standard applies to women who get date-raped, or prostitute themselves and are raped by their clients, than there is to people who get robbed because they leave their keys in their cars unlocked and their front door unlocked. Society is less judgmental of careless theft victims than they are of rape victims.
I think it takes some pretty wild interpretations to come away with the idea you shouldn't hit your kids when the Bible literally tells your to hit your kids. Yes, it's not okay with you getting drunk and randomly hitting them, but it definitely explicitly condones violent discipline.
Meh I think Noah's curse of Ham didn't really make sense. He was just trying to take care of his drunk-ass dad.
 
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Eh, my goal was to offer additional perspective.
I'm not a scholar by any means, but I can share local culture by my understanding.
I might be dumb and politisperg, but I am also (attempting to be) informative.
 
I find that men conveniently like to define rape in only the worst possible terms, so that rapes only happen when the woman is also severely injured, assaulted, or dead. Men seem to have no problem believing a dead woman was raped, but if a live one says this happened to her and names her perpetrator, the men suddenly go into defensive mode. They ask questions like "what was she wearing?", "was she drunk or high?", "were they dating?" etc., looking for mitigating factors to excuse the rapist's crime. Don't pretend this doesn't happen.
Rape is whatever the judge says it is nowadays. Arguing otherwise is pointless in today's world. Your parents should be teaching you ways to avoid dangerous situations. If they don't, or fail to, or you don't listen, then there's only so much sympathy you deserve. If that's not the case, then you deserve the sympathy and justice you (hopefully) get.
The law's not an effective deterrent as is IMO
Okay. That's your opinion. But you're arguing having a pistol aimed to someone's head and complaining that it should be a bazooka in case he survives....

The social stigma of reporting a rape is still high
PFFFFFFFTTTTT..... Okay, jokes aside, the only reason Men don't believe women anymore is largely because of #MeToo. Prior to it, men pretty much unquestionably believed women's accusations. Almost to a detriment. Your viewpoints seem very dated and don't take the recent events into account. As far as #MeToo goes, I think that irreparable damage to men's belief of women. Those girls dragged everyone else down with them.
We hold the keys to the extent that you respect a woman's ability to say "No".
Well, that's on you. If she says no, and you press, there's usually some socially acceptable wiggle room before creepy territory. Then "NO. GET THE FUCK AWAY." comes into play. After that's said, and you don't, then you deserve what happens to you when you're sent to ass raping jail. Most men listen. If you want to bring up the bleeding heart cases of women who "are too scared to say no", then you shouldn't be dating. It's that simple.
Do you think this is the case because the man is supposed to "pop the question" and present her with an engagement ring? Historically, sure, men held the power of this contract because women were chattel, traded from father to husband like a heifer. But in modern relationships, I have not known a man to just go out on a limb and buy an engagement ring without feeling out what his partner's response would be.
Yes. Women have more to lose after years of dating than a man does. Women are at a disadvantage she's dating for a prolonged period of time decides not to marry her.
 
Okay, jokes aside, the only reason Men don't believe women anymore is largely because of #MeToo. Prior to it, men pretty much unquestionably believed women's accusations. Almost to a detriment. Your viewpoints seem very dated and don't take the recent events into account. As far as #MeToo goes, I think that irreparable damage to men's belief of women. Those girls dragged everyone else down with them.
men never believed women anyways. You really think men unquestionably believed women in the 70s and 80s? Anyways I love it when women file false allegations towards men. It gets my pussy dripping wet to hear stories of men getting their lives ruined by women. It's payback for centuries of oppression
 

Agree with much of this.
Especially with metoo. After metoo came around (I at least) had to start to strictly control my emotions when it comes to rape, sexual assault, etc claims.
There has to be strict evidence, found guilty in the court of law type of evidence.
It is extremely easy for men to get up in arms and ignore any sense when these claims come about, which is probably why metoo was so easily taken advantage of.

Too many innocent people had their lives ruined with no recourse. Yet the true tragedy is among it all there were actual true and honest people buried amongst the lies.
Should show how terrible it is to hijack such sensitive things for petty gain.
 
men never believed women anyways. You really think men unquestionably believed women in the 70s and 80s? Anyways I love it when women file false allegations towards men. It gets my pussy dripping wet to hear stories of men getting their lives ruined by women. It's payback for centuries of oppression
Never change, you magnificent retard.
 
men never believed women anyways. You really think men unquestionably believed women in the 70s and 80s? Anyways I love it when women file false allegations towards men. It gets my pussy dripping wet to hear stories of men getting their lives ruined by women. It's payback for centuries of oppression
Since rape is a serious crime that ruins the life of the rapist, we need to prosecute it correctly and proof that can withstand scrutiny in a court of law is required, not "belief".
Of course I don't believe you as the default, but I will if you bring proof. Since this is 2023 and we can easily get DNA, make sure to provide that so we can make an example of the rapist.
Also, stop making these shitty arguments.
You might get accused of a crime one day. You really don't want to be locked up in a dirty cage with some unwashed lesbian thugs based on accusations alone. You want a proper law system that will make sure you get away if the accusations were false and your accusers pays for it.
Or maybe you do want to be caged with the horny lesbos🤔
 
men never believed women anyways. You really think men unquestionably believed women in the 70s and 80s? Anyways I love it when women file false allegations towards men. It gets my pussy dripping wet to hear stories of men getting their lives ruined by women. It's payback for centuries of oppression
Actually, it just makes you happy because you're not an attractive woman in real life and aren't getting laid like your friends, and you're extremely hurt and envious over it.
 
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