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Has the switch sold so well because it's a handheld, a console or a hybrid?
trying to make this a more complex issue than it is, or trying to get a gotcha is as retarded as saying women with a penis. We know what a handheld is, what a console is and what a PC is.
"Handheld" itself has no direct equivalent in my native language or even in Japanese. We simply call them portable CONSOLES.
The Switch is a home and portable console at once, and games are primarily what sells a console and make it popular. It's never been about the highest processing power.
And the Switch does compete against the PS5 especially when it comes to Japanese third-parties.

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What the shit am I reading. Sure, I used the PS2 as a dvd player at times just like everyone else but that's not what it's primary function was.
Loads of people in the UK bought a PS2 as a dvd player because, IIRC, the PS2 was £100-£200 and new DVD players were £500+

Like I said though, i'm not saying it only sold as a DVD player, but the DVD functionality meant it was a no-brainer to buy, even for people who didn't want a console.

"Handheld" itself has no direct equivalent in my native language or even in Japanese. We simply call them portable CONSOLES.
The Switch is a home and portable console at once, and games are primarily what sells a console and make it popular. It's never been about the highest processing power.
THE JAPANESE?! Those sandal-wearing goldfish-tenders?

If it's a console and a handheld, it isn't a console or a handheld. Someone can have a dick and pussy, it doesn't make them a man and a woman, it makes them a freak.

EDIT: seems as you edited your post, you're being autistic with language. You posted a wiki page with handheld described as a handheld console, with a picture of a DS. It even says in the tag 'portable'.

If it's portable it's a handheld. The Switch is a hybrid. AFAIK, the only one of its kind (unless we want to get autistic and include the monitor that attached to the PS1)
 
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Loads of people in the UK bought a PS2 as a dvd player because, IIRC, the PS2 was £100-£200 and new DVD players were £500+

Like I said though, i'm not saying it only sold as a DVD player, but the DVD functionality meant it was a no-brainer to buy, even for people who didn't want a console.
The PS2 was super expensive when it came out - I don't remember how much exactly but I remember my older brother being told no on account of the price. We had a dvd player relatively soon after those became a thing and my parents certainly wouldn't have spent 500 Muttbux on one. Still wild that the price varied that much across the pond.
 
The PS2 was super expensive when it came out - I don't remember how much exactly but I remember my older brother being told no on account of the price. We had a dvd player relatively soon after those became a thing and my parents certainly wouldn't have spent 500 Muttbux on one. Still wild that the price varied that much across the pond.
Yeah for some reason our DVD players were mad expensive when they came out. Same with BR players. If the PS3 didn't cost two jobs, it would have swept up the market as a cheap BR player.

Though at the time, owning a DVD player was more or a status symbol than a necessity. Most people had old-school CRTS+DVD player, so it was a bit pointless.
 
The biggest misconception about the PS4 early dominance is that casual normies gave a shit about the Microsoft always online DRM bullshit and that's why they bought PS4.

They didn't, you can see this today where that shit is being brought back and there's only an outrage on hardcore gaming forums.

What they cared about was that PS4 was running games better at a less expensive price. They also gave even less of a shit about Kinect.

It also didn't hurt that PS4 had the black friday bundle (bunduru) with GTA V remastered and The Last of Us Remastered only a year later.
I'd say if anything, forcing Kinect on everyone from the get go was the real kicker that killed the Xbox One. Both consoles launched with no backwards compatibility whatsoever, so there was no real loss on switching teams from whichever console you had before. I'm sure it put off a whole lot of people that they fucked up the Xbox 360's UI permanently with Metro UI.

Man, Kinect was such a disaster. Its been 13 years since that stupid thing launched, and there isn't a soul today gushing with nostalgia over it. Not even people who would have been kids when it was new. None of the games are worth anything, not even the rarest ones like Harry Potter or Dragon Ball Z.

The PS2 was super expensive when it came out - I don't remember how much exactly but I remember my older brother being told no on account of the price.
$300 USD. Gamecube launched at $200, but didn't have a DVD player.
 
Man, Kinect was such a disaster. Its been 13 years since that stupid thing launched, and there isn't a soul today gushing with nostalgia over it. Not even people who would have been kids when it was new. None of the games are worth anything, not even the rarest ones like Harry Potter or Dragon Ball Z.
I think the only notable thing about the Kinect in peoples minds might be Kinect Star Wars just because of the cringe "I'm solo" song and all the memes around it.

Kinect was the real killer of Xbox.
 
The biggest misconception about the PS4 early dominance is that casual normies gave a shit about the Microsoft always online DRM bullshit and that's why they bought PS4.

They didn't, you can see this today where that shit is being brought back and there's only an outrage on hardcore gaming forums.
This is outright false.

There was a massive backlash to the DRM when it was announced. In fact, the only people arguing that it was a good idea were game journalists (surprise) and yters like Total Biscuit who then backpedaled and pretended to be some kind of "consumer advocate" after MS capitulated.

It's just that the zoomer tik tok retards who were 12 when the PS4 came out are now in their 20s and these fucktards have been brought up with streaming everything so they think it's normal.
 
I get that and you're right with what you say. You fall into the trap of now classing a handheld/console hybrid as both, lumping both markets together, when they used to be separate things. Has the switch sold so well because it's a handheld, a console or a hybrid? Each one gives us an indication on the health of the market.
You're severely oversimplifying the situation. Nintendo themselves have released numbers concerning who plays in what mode most often.
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Unfortunately, this is from Nintendo's six-month financial report for FY 2018, which only covers through the end of September 2017, or the first 7 months of the Switch's life. As far as I know, they never included these numbers in later reports. But here's what we know from it anyway: As of September 2017, 19% of players primarily used docked mode, 30% primarily used handheld, and 51% used a mix. "Primarily" means at least 80% of playtime was in one mode.

Assuming these percentages stayed consistent and that the "mixed" category can be assumed to average out at 50% playtime in both modes, we can assume that roughly 44.5% of playtime is docked, while 55.5% is portable. Considering the Switch has sold 132.5 million units as of September of this year, that's an estimate of about 60 million "docked" units, and 72.5 million "handheld" units.

All that being said, there are a few anecdotal but extremely likely reasons these assumptions are invalid.
  1. The aforementioned docked vs. handheld figures are from the beginning of the Switch's life, when having "a home console that you can play on the go" was much more of a novelty that more people wanted to mess around with. I can't speak for anyone else, but I used handheld mode at least 20% of the time back then, and I almost never use it now.
  2. Aside from Mario Kart, the Switch's biggest games up to September 2017 didn't have much of a couch co-op focus compared to today. No Smash, no Kirby, not even Mario Odyssey with its semi-multiplayer.
  3. Finally - and I can't stress this enough - the idea that a large number of people who use handheld mode don't care about docked mode - even if they primarily use handheld - is fucking retarded. Yes, the Switch Lite exists. But the fact that it sells so much less than the other Switch models should be a clear indicator that people do care about having it as a home console. The Lite exists for that small subset of people who only want a handheld (or people who want two Switches for whatever reason), the OLED exists for people who play in both docked and handheld (with a likely bias toward handheld), and the normal Switch exists for people who either prefer or exclusively use docked.
Long story short, it's safe to say that Switch playtime is about 50/50 between docked and handheld; coincidentally, that lines up with a 2018 interview with Doug Bowser. If you want to take the braindead approach of assuming that handheld playtime doesn't count toward Switch home console sales, then the "docked sales" still outsell every other Nintendo home console except the Wii, and significantly outsell PS5 and Xbox Series.
 
What the shit am I reading. Sure, I used the PS2 as a dvd player at times just like everyone else but that's not what it's primary function was.
The issue is that the majority of the people that were buying consoles in that era were parents. When a parent sees there's a new set of consoles and their kid is asking for one during Christmas shopping, they have to decide which one to get but they just don't know all the details. What the parents did know was that the PS2 could play DVDs and all those other consoles didn't. So when deciding on which console to buy for their kid, parents usually bought the PS2 because they could double dip by getting a DVD player for themselves and a console for their kid. It was a recurring joke that parents would nab their kids' PS2 to play a movie they just rented from Blockbuster.

It also served as a gateway into gaming for a lot of normies that just wanted a DVD player and thought, "eh, I'll grab the PS2, I might try out one of those video games people talk about down the line. Sony is also known for good electronics, so it should be fine". A few months down the line and a friend or coworker mentions GTA and boom, motherfucker is now addicted to games.
 
What the parents did know was that the PS2 could play DVDs and all those other consoles didn't.
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I have no doubt that PS2-is-a-dvd-player was a factor for like a year in literally 2000 but by 2001 DVD player prices went down a LOT and they were very cheap within a couple years of that.

Edit: here's March 2002: https://money.cnn.com/2001/12/11/saving/shop_dvd/ "You can easily find DVD players for less than $100 these days"
 
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Its been 13 years since that stupid thing launched, and there isn't a soul today gushing with nostalgia over it. Not even people who would have been kids when it was new.
Nah, I miss it. I remember happy times with my family and how janky the whole thing was. Sadly my 360 assploded multiple times from overheating.
 
Man, Kinect was such a disaster. Its been 13 years since that stupid thing launched, and there isn't a soul today gushing with nostalgia over it.
I disagree. I liked my Kinect with Kinect Sports and Just Dance. I even tried it as a mic; that was a disaster.
 
Both the PS2 and PS3 were actually good buys for the DVD/BD capability they had, in their launch years. You all forget how much that shit cost back then. 600 dollars was only like 100 more than the cheapest BD player and that one sucked compared to the PS3's built in player.
Blu Ray was a different story. There's a reason it never really took off the way DVD did.
 
Unrelated, but the last good mainline Pokemon game was Platinum/Pearl/Diamond (maybe HeartGold/SoulSilver if you count remakes or the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon if you count that as well). I can still play any of the games from Gen 2-4 in 2023 and have a blast while doing so. I don't get how you could buy any Pokemon game after 2010 where it became so obvious that the game directors/producers and developers at GameFreak stopped giving a shit with the release of Black and White. They literally removed the in-game rematch feature and pretended it was a new feature.
I'm still pissed they did Ruby & Sapphire remakes but not a proper Emerald remake. Emerald was always my favorite, especially because that was like the one generation where your dad is actually in the game.
 
This is outright false.

There was a massive backlash to the DRM when it was announced.
Yeah, on gaming forums.

It will never stop amazing me how so many people here seem to have no idea just how little gaming forum/hardcore gamer reactions and opinions are shared by the gaming population at large.

The *vast* majority of people who bought a PS4 or an Xbox one have absolutely no fucking clue about the always online DRM shit that came up for a month in June 2013. The vast amount of people who play games don't pay attention to game journalism to even be aware of any of that shit. They pay attention to game advertising.

We're talking about a feature that the Xbox One DIDN'T EVEN HAVE, and people are acting like the mere mention of it at E3 was enough to allow the PS4 to dominate at the start and hold that position.

That's fucking retarded. It was the fact the PS4 was less expensive while having marginally better performance that pushed consumers to pick it over the Xbox One at launch. It was the fact nobody wanted the Kinect, let alone less performance and a higher price for it.
 
I'm still pissed they did Ruby & Sapphire remakes but not a proper Emerald remake. Emerald was always my favorite, especially because that was like the one generation where your dad is actually in the game.
Considering the father is always absent in Pokémon games, I’m surprised the protagonist isn’t black.
 
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