Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion





The Post is the CIA's semi official mouthpiece. The story was provided as a briefing by the Ukrainian Presidential office, direct from Zelensky. General Zaluzhny is being blamed for ordering the attack without official approval.

I doubt General Zaluzhny even has the authority or control over the units that would have done something like that. It would have been done by the Special Operations Force which is not under military control.

The capabilities of the Special Operations Force are greater than they would seem because they get lavish funding, equipment and probably support from outside Ukraine. They are the ones who supposedly showed up in Sudan for example. I would also not be surprised if the unit doesn't also have foreign fighters with it. There was an Israeli news article a while back suggesting that was going on Ukraine forms special forces unit for foreign fighters

I also strongly assume that the Special Operations Force in Ukraine directly works with the CIA. Which is why the Washington Post is publishing what its publishing.

Whats interesting is that right after Zaluzhny gave his "stalemate" interview, Zelensky abruptly removed the officer in charge of the Special Operations Force (a major-general) and replaced him with a totally unknown colonel for which they provided no background information at all when appointed. That was beyond odd. And then one or two days later Zaluzhny's deputy gets grenaded.

The feud between Zelensky and the military can't end well. Its either going to lead to some sort of coup against him. Or the replacement of the military leadership with something far more corrupt and far less competent.
 
Be the better man. Intelligence agencies are all psychos, just because Ukrainians celebrate when Russian civilians are murdered doesn't mean we should be cheering on when children become collateral damage in their internecine struggles.
Truth. Evil started to really spread when Americas intelligence agency's compromised with or instigated it in the name of the "greater good"
 
When I think about it.

I have never seen footage of zeal or passion from a hohol soldier willing to run with a mortar with his hands right into a Russian T-90M and send the tank to the grave.

Unlike footage that I have seen from another war happening right now.

So outside of Twitter, hohol simps and shills have just bark and no bite after all.
 
Saw this one earlier:

North Korea sends Putin tons of ammo. Europe can’t do the same for Ukraine
Politico EU (archive.ph)
By Joshua Posaner, Veronika Melkozerova, Laura Kayali, Jacopo Barigazzi and Caleb Larson
2023-11-03 13:13:48GMT
Excerpt:
NK stays the Best Korea.

- The US government should start buying up and stockpiling raw commodities associated with military weapons production. Every commodity we buy up will deny the Russians weapons production.
I can see this hoarding of resources would hamper already floundering arms manufacturing of US "allies" more than it could ever harm RU.
Regarding manufacturing collective West really fucked itself with the manic adoption of JIT and LEAN in every. single. aspect. of industry and service. When common sense would dictate that state should have ample stores of munition and secure supply of resources to make said munitions, exceptional individuals in Western leadership decided that's not necessary since daddy US will help them.


How is the investigation of the Finland-Estonia pipeline bombing going?

Oops, turns out that it is now believed to be due to anchor damage by a Hong Kong vessel. Yeah, no wonder we didn't hear much of it.

Those two Baltic warmongering chickenhawks were all up in arms ready to march into Moscow and St. Petersburg the instant they would confirm it was RU blew up the pipes. All the major newspapers already decided it was forgone conclusion and all they needed was some "investigation" to confirm it. Once that HK vessel came up as guilty party all that blustering was quickly hushed up and memory holed.
 
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Sheesh Medvedev is really trashing the europeans and americans on telegram this was the most interesting saying only lviv should join europe they are going past dnepir river here is the original text plus Google translate anyone fluent in russian can correct the shit translation

Европа бурлит.
На улицах сотни тысяч людей протестуют против циничной западной поддержки насилия в Газе.
Под сурдинку большой ближневосточной крови некоторые действующие и бывшие чиновники НАТО аккуратно пробрасывают новые идейки по Украине. Мол, надо её принять в Альянс, но без Крыма и Донбасса. Стало быть, эти территории уже точно не Украина в их понимании.

Неплохо, но важно идти дальше. Надо признать, что и Одесса, и Николаев, и Киев, и практически всё остальное – никакая не Украина.
После этого всего три шага до признания очевидного:
◦ Зеленский, который не идёт на выборы, – НЕ президент, а узурпатор.
◦ Украинский язык – НЕ язык, а суржик.
◦ Украина – НЕ страна, а искусственно собранные территории.

А что же тогда принимать в НАТО, спросите вы. Ну, можно принять город Лемберг с окрестностями (пока ещё Львовскую область), если там очень будут настаивать.

Или вообще замахнуться на большее, расширив в очередной раз критерии членства в Альянсе. Взять и пригласить туда Израиль вместе с Палестиной, превратив вечных врагов в союзников. И в придачу к ним Афганистан. Даром, что ли, натовцы там сидели битых двадцать лет. Вот тогда-то на Ближнем Востоке воцарится просвещённая демократия на англосаксонский манер. И наступит полное счастье.

Europe is seething.
Hundreds of thousands of people are in the streets protesting cynical Western support for violence in Gaza.
Under the guise of a lot of Middle Eastern blood, some current and former NATO officials are carefully spreading new ideas about Ukraine. Like, we need to accept it into the Alliance, but without Crimea and Donbass. Therefore, these territories are definitely no longer Ukraine in their understanding

Not bad, but it's important to move on. We must admit that Odessa, Nikolaev, Kyiv, and practically everything else is not Ukraine at all.
After this, there are only three steps to admit the obvious:
◦ Zelensky, who does not go to the polls, is NOT a president, but a usurper.
◦ The Ukrainian language is NOT a language, but a surzhik.
◦ Ukraine is NOT a country, but artificially collected territories.

What then should be accepted into NATO, you ask? Well, you can accept the city of Lemberg with its surroundings (still the Lviv region), if they really insist there

Or even aim for more, once again expanding the criteria for membership in the Alliance. Take and invite Israel there along with Palestine, turning eternal enemies into allies. And in addition to them Afghanistan. It was for nothing that the NATO members sat there for twenty years. Then enlightened democracy in the Anglo-Saxon style will reign in the Middle East. And complete happiness will come
 
Maybe Romania can take Basarabia and Bucovina back too, LOL
Hungary gets Zakarpattia, Romania gets Bukovina and Bessarabia, landlocked rump Ukraine gets tax-free port access to Odessa for civil goods and in return for that Russia gets an unconditional land bridge to Hungary. Oh and Pridnestrovie, faithful souls that they are. If Russian troops ever enter Pridnestrovie, I want to be there at the party in Tiraspol.
This is the way.


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My brother in christ, you need to look at the stats. The Peace Dividend is coming home to roost

These stats for the US are from January of 2023.....so they are even worse now.
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Minimum of 7 years (assuming no supply issues or if we give more munitions) to rebuild 155mm....and thats only after we rebuild the manufacturing.



And the West can't manage to make enough 155mm.
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They literally gave away all their shit, and now can't build it fast enough or afford the replacements.
Honestly, due to the economic slow down in the US, I'd say you're probably looking at a longer time than that. You have to think, just because companies that are part of the military industrial complex are doing well, it doesn't mean the companies which provide them services they need are doing well.
 
You have to think, just because companies that are part of the military industrial complex are doing well, it doesn't mean the companies which provide them services they need are doing well.
TBH the company I work for is making record profits while simultaneously shipping less than the norm. The MIC isn't what it used to be, it's mostly just a Complex.
 
Honestly, due to the economic slow down in the US, I'd say you're probably looking at a longer time than that. You have to think, just because companies that are part of the military industrial complex are doing well, it doesn't mean the companies which provide them services they need are doing well.
It's actually much worse than that. A lot of the companies in the US MIC are hopelessly corrupt, and the actual manufacturing capacity of the US was gutted and donated to China. Even though a lot of those companies are doing well, a lot of that is due to them selling small plastic bins for fifty thousand taxpayer dollars and not because they're actually competent when it comes to producing weapons and ammunition. Even though they're now panicking and realising that they need to spin those factories up again, diversity commitments like the one that led to a navy ship burning down in drydock mean that they're going to be incredibly inefficient compared to the Russian/Chinese systems. Nobody in Chinese military manufacturing needs to pay a bunch of fat black refugee women to sit in an office and fuck up orders to avoid getting sued.
 
It's actually much worse than that. A lot of the companies in the US MIC are hopelessly corrupt, and the actual manufacturing capacity of the US was gutted and donated to China. Even though a lot of those companies are doing well, a lot of that is due to them selling small plastic bins for fifty thousand taxpayer dollars and not because they're actually competent when it comes to producing weapons and ammunition. Even though they're now panicking and realising that they need to spin those factories up again, diversity commitments like the one that led to a navy ship burning down in drydock mean that they're going to be incredibly inefficient compared to the Russian/Chinese systems. Nobody in Chinese military manufacturing needs to pay a bunch of fat black refugee women to sit in an office and fuck up orders to avoid getting sued.
Not exactly, it's more of a labor issue. The people that made the majority of the gear are getting OLD. Think 50+ and they're all retiring at once. The companies couldn't conceptualize a need for surge capacity so they've been running on first gear/one shift for a solid decade. Now they suddenly get asked to double or quadruple production and they can't do it. The suppliers can't meet demand, they don't have enough workers and hiring and training people takes time.

From Zero it takes years to train and staff up most arms production lines barring small arms, small arms ammo, and uniform manufacturing.

You'll see the results of the current order surges in 1-3 years.

As for the Euros, good joke, they don't care and they'll keep asking for US money to dump rusting hulks on Ukraine.

Russia is increasing production of everything but even they went for N. Korean shells and initially Iranian drones to fill the gaps.
 
The suppliers can't meet demand, they don't have enough workers and hiring and training people takes time.
a pretty well known fact post war is something like 1/3-2/3rds of munnitions the US made were defective. completely unuseable. It was more about getting the contracts and making the money and scamming the other countries with bad product. the US in the 1940s was operating out of a modern chinese playbook really. Thats a big reason war time production was so high, it was about forcing out shit and getting people working vs having the products come out good.

Another part is even if they could, its not the 1940s you can't just put people on the line straight off the street, the mandatory background checks and i-9 stuff takes time and then theres the whole lack of pay for how many requirements you have to meet. you make so much more in the private sector even if you're some tradesman and you're being forced to entertain the most woke faggotry because they're US contractors.

Why would anyone work at this factory when it pays less than working at burger king? At least with burger king they make fuck all and get to hang out and chill outside of the meal rushes.
 
Russia is increasing production of everything but even they went for N. Korean shells and initially Iranian drones to fill the gaps.

Again the proof is where ?

Unless i missed something and there has been some footage or pics of shells with NK markings. People taking this as a fact because some "source" in SK intelligence agency says it. Are frankly kinda fucking dumb.
 
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