If someone has aphantasia but still agrees with all your opinions, are they still an NPC?

The Blue Morpho said:
People with aphantasia shouldn't even be able to vote. In fact, they should be sterilized along with repeat violent offenders and people with sub-80 IQs

Incidentally, these are all the same group of people
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I know a guy IRL with aphantasia who is extremely smart and has a PhD. The thing is, he's still a fucking NPC. As in, he has the most ridiculously generic libshit takes on everything and practically worships Emmanuel Macaroon.
 
Drain Todger said:
I know a guy IRL with aphantasia who is extremely smart and has a PhD. The thing is, he's still a fucking NPC. As in, he has the most ridiculously generic libshit takes on everything and practically worships Emmanuel Macaroon.
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Depending on the field, a PHD doesn't signify anything beyond having read a lot of pointless books and being able to regurgitate citations at people to sound smart.
 
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The Blue Morpho said:
Depending on the field, a PHD doesn't signify anything beyond having read a lot of pointless books and being able to regurgitate citations at people to sound smart.
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He's a Physics PhD and worked on nanotech. Cadmium selenide quantum dots in liquid crystal, etc. He eventually quit lab work and decided to go into administration (in his own words, he wanted to "join the Deep State"), but he couldn't quite get into it because he had all the charisma and humanity of a cinderblock. He ended up working as a consultant instead.
 
Does it bother anyone else that aphantasia wasn't related to the original spawning of the NPC meme in the first place and seems incredibly odd to tack on to it?

The NPC meme spawned due to some university study that went something like "A bunch of students are signaled a bunch of random times throughout a week or so and immediately report what it is they were mentally doing at that time, from a selection of categories", which ended up with results where something like half of them never once reported mental narration/monologue/talking to themselves.

The meme spawned primarily on the clickbaity suggestion that "Half of people don't have an inner monologue", and while the meme isn't particularly strongly attached to the inner monologue part, it IS highly dependent on the "Half of people" part. Substituting in Aphantasia kills the meme because the NPC meme doesn't carry water if it is only referring to some niche collection of STEM savants who constitute at most 2% of the population.

Now I wouldn't be one to suggest that the whole reason aphantasia shit has been pushed semi-continuously in the usual testing grounds for the past year or so has been some sort of meme defusal/undermining/redirection thing, but I would be the sort to let the idea waft about and see what happens.

P.S. The rotating a cow thing possibly misses the point. Spacial relationships between objects/concepts, as well as the ability to group them and apply transformations to the groups are all still fully functional. The whole "which of these 4 options is a rotation of the above object" problem everyone thinks of when dealing with rotation is just a matter of creating the network of subobjects that are all related to their neighbors and then immediately ruling out 3 of the options because it is blatantly obvious they are not showing the cluster of relationships you're looking for. Which is to say that mental cow-tipping can be done, accurately to any intent or purpose one could find for doing so. Except perhaps that for phantasics the process of visually rotating a cow in their mind may be a purpose on its own in ways that aphantasics couldn't ever understand? (So like, where is your POV for these things anyways? Like, are you above the spinning cow? Standing next to it? If you're in an uncertain and confused mood does your mental visuals take on dutch angle camerawork? And how do you handle picturing scenes where there are things on all sides of you, including behind?)
 
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Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
Like, they can't rotate cows in their head, but they parrot whatever takes you parrot.
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Why wouldn't they be an NPC? They sound like the definition of one.

Are you asking if I'd CONSIDER them an NPC if they just echo-chamber my own opinions at me? That depends on how eloquently they do it, I guess. You usually find out if someone is an NPC through conflict, when you both agree on something there's no conflict and therefore no stimulus to find out that the person holds those opinions for no reason.
 
Met a chick at a rave once with her hair colored like a pheasant. She had bat ears on and fake fangs. I ended up talking to her. And turns out. All piercing are fake, no tattoos, and she’s a virgin. WTF? Ask her if she’s secretly Christian conservative. Nope same hippie dippie spiritual zodiac nonsense as all the other rave girls. But she set an actual moral standard for herself. It’s really funny watching her post about Alex jones and trump and talk about how the vaccine is retard juice. And I ask her how she arrives at these conclusions. Her responses are the funniest fucking thing. All her answers are shit like “I trust him because he’s a Leo” “Anal sex destroys your root chakra” “it came to me in a dream” it’s so funny because all the other women hate her because she dresses like a slut but is still a high value woman. She is Schrödinger’s NPC. Everything she believes in is based, (based on tarot card bullshit) and still right anyway.
 
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SleepingBull said:
Does it bother anyone else that aphantasia wasn't related to the original spawning of the NPC meme in the first place and seems incredibly odd to tack on to it?
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Yeah, it’s odd to tack on, but I think people with Aphantasia tend to fake/glom onto “current thing” at higher rates because visualizing things is important in a lot of areas of cognition.

They have reduced autobiographical memory, reduction emotional reactions, etc.. so they probably have to strategize to “fit in”
 
SpergioLeonne said:
Yeah, it’s odd to tack on, but I think people with Aphantasia tend to fake/glom onto “current thing” at higher rates because visualizing things is important in a lot of areas of cognition.

They have reduced autobiographical memory, reduction emotional reactions, etc.. so they probably have to strategize to “fit in”
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Needing to strategize to fit in requires above all else a desire to fit in, which is not something you should take for granted. Doubly so when you're dealing with minds that have already demonstrably formed alternative approaches towards practical problems. Visualizing things is so "important" that you've essentially reached the limit of the limits already: autobiographical memory without visualization is about on-par with a written autobiography in terms of detail, faces are essentially not memorable but still fully recognizable when seen, and dreams are mostly absent. Everything else, however, seems to have perfectly functional, if not potentially better alternative paths. Likely because everything else is almost always dealing in abstracts where visualizing would just get in the way of picturing things, if that makes sense. It is a difficult subject to put to words given the limits of language. Thus the whole confusion over the subject in the first place: All the aphatasics have been "visualizing" things and "picturing" situations in their head and whatnot the whole time, they just didn't realize the rest of the world was doing it with images and visuals instead of just complex clusters of abstract ideas. They didn't realize that when billy had 2 apples and sally had 3 apples and billy gives his apples to sally ya'll were all seeing some fleshed out characters with faces and hairstyles and the apples were red deliciouses or some shit. The aphasics just dumped all that detail away, had 2 and 3 floating in the mind, and either rote-memorization-reflex got 5 or dropped a pointer on the number line and spatially shunted it over 2 then 3 and felt it being 5 away from the origin. Sally and Billy are wholly unimportant and unceremoniously dumped out of existence so quickly you don't even have time to call Billy a simp.
 
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