2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

I just think the deliberate mass slaughtering of innocent civilians is wrong and doing so is abhorrent. I don't understand how people can't see this is circular logic. Hamas is so abhorrent it justifies being abhorrent to them. Shouldn't that justify it back? I don't know, I'm not a complicated person. I was just raised in a household with values against committing genocide and war crimes.

We can agree to disagree on that. We can still have a beer and laugh at fat people.
This is the cleanest fucking war I have ever seen.

10k casualty in a dense 1 million city is absolutely nothing.
 
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Is this true? Reportedly the first guy daughter found him and posted more photos
In all likelihood, the Hamas guys killed them for "Association with the enemy", probably accusing them of giving information.

Then they accuse their opponents of doing it to score propaganda points. Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and various other groups love this tactic.

Hamas and Co have been caught in so many lies at this point that I don't believe anything they say.
 
I couldn't find the actual text since it's (((paywalled))), and I haven't found an archive yet either.
What sort of high IQ Ashkenazi are you my man
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BTW we ain't taking any of your mess, let's see you finish the cleansing.
 
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Watching westoids have conniptions about the amount of dead Palestinian civilians is extremely funny.

After over a month of action, 10k people out of the 2 million or so in the Gaza Strip have died.
When Dresden was bombed in 1945, 25k people out of 600k died in two days.

.5% in a warzone that heavily uses human shields vs 4% in a 'traditional' war
 
The Geneva Convention prohibits the DELIBERATE targeting of civilians.
More to the point it prohibits the DELIBERATE targeting of civilians specifically for the purpose of "shocking" an opposing power into capitulation absent a true or measured military objective [or, in the case of illegitimate "governments" like the one in Gaza, for terrorism], ala the firebombing of Dresden and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII. I'm glad that after eight-hundred some pages someone actually brought this point up.
 
After over a month of action, 10k people out of the 2 million or so in the Gaza Strip have died.
When Dresden was bombed in 1945, 25k people out of 600k died in two days.
And both of those things were war crimes, worse than anything the other side did.

Also @Mr. Meanest your post makes me wish we had a fucking yarmulke variation on the "Mad At The Internet" rating.
 
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Interesting Washington Post article about Hamas and October 7th - https://archive.is/1h4Nj

It also seems that there has been another screening for foreign journalists of eyewitness accounts, including mentions of rape and assault. I've seen people on other sites insisting that there's 'no proof' of this, so maybe they'll stop now.

https://nitter.net/mrconfino/status/1724385046583234841 (includes disturbing details of rape and violence)
https://web.archive.org/web/20231114154207/https://nitter.net/mrconfino/status/1724385046583234841 (archive of the above)

The other thing I've seen, can't remember if it was on this thread many pages back or somewhere else, is questions over the translation of 'sabia' and whether it generically means 'female captive' or has connotations of sexual abuse. I don't speak Arabic, but I had a look and certainly with regard to ISIS and their abuse of Yazidi women, 'sabia' is getting translated as 'slave'.
 
The problem is that half measures will just let the killing of civilians on both sides continue, the only way to stop it is to either fully capitulate, which neither side wants, or grind them into dust swiftly.
As a thought experiment, if Israel and simply ethnically cleansed the Palestinians in 1967 then they would have avoided half a century of conflict and death.
By being merciful you're paradoxically simply prolonging the conflict and creating more death.
So you'd say we need a final solution to the Palestinian problem. It's true, after concentrating them into camps and ghettos failed, there is no other way. Plus the settlers need that land for Lebensbraum. It is the only way god's chosen race can thrive.
 
And both of those things were war crimes, worse than anything the other side did.

Also @Mr. Meanest your post makes me wish we had a fucking yarmulke variation on the "Mad At The Internet" rating.
The concept of "War Crimes" is one of the dumbest fucking things that the "Western" Powers came up with and only serves to make pearl clutching retards sperg about them.
 
LMAO UKRAINEFAGS BTFO
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Israel desperately needs a new PR team. The IDF intern running their X account is also doing a terrible job. How are they such a well-funded and educated country but they're losing the PR war to a bunch of crusty terrorists?

I just think the deliberate mass slaughtering of innocent civilians is wrong and doing so is abhorrent. I don't understand how people can't see this is circular logic. Hamas is so abhorrent it justifies being abhorrent to them. Shouldn't that justify it back? I don't know, I'm not a complicated person. I was just raised in a household with values against committing genocide and war crimes.
You are missing an important piece of information here which is that Gaza doesn't have freedom of press. For some reason people keep forgetting that Gaza is run by a violent oppressive theocracy. There is no such thing as an independent journalist in Gaza, and all information gets run by Hamas before it reaches mainstream media. The genocide narrative has been heavily manufactured by a terrorist organization hellbent on Israel's destruction. By all means be critical of Israeli and Western press as well, but I suggest you take all Gaza death tolls with a massive handful of salt.

Most humans, with the exception of KiwiFarms user @aromatic, have enough empathy and decency to recognize that killing innocent people is wrong. But a lot of us also live in reality, and understand that civilian deaths are an unfortunate consequence of war. And it's something you knowingly sign up for when you decide to instigate a war with your heavily armed neighbor.

Where were they supposed to go though?
The IDF provided them with literal maps of the safe areas lol.
 
Non-orthodox "rabbi" whines about the big pro-Israel rally in DC today:
Israeli forces have withdrawn from Tulkarm after fifteen hours. Seven Palestinians dead, no reported IDF casualties:
Destruction of a memorial to Yasser Arafat:
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But a lot of us also live in reality, and understand that civilian deaths are an unfortunate consequence of war. And it's something you knowingly sign up for when you decide to instigate a war with your heavily armed neighbor
This leads to the canard of "but the people of Gaza didn't sign up for this war, they are innocent by standers to what Hamas did!".

I really hate this mentality that seems so prevalent where the average Joe (Or Achmed) on the street is somehow absolved of responsibility for the actions of their government solely because they have no direct say in it Government is simply the expressed will of a society. Whether that will is given freely or coerced is immaterial to the fact that every person contributes to the functioning of a society and every person bears the benefits that society provides...and it's costs

I don't buy the "innocent gazan" narrative at all. None of them are "innocent" in the sense they had nothing to do with what happened to cause this. they all contributed in their own little way, even if that contribution of indifferent silence.

Does this mean I am for Total Gaza Death? No. But it does mean images of dead babies and crying people digging through rubble doesn't really land the same way with me. it's a tragedy absolutely. but it is a tragedy of Gazas creation, not Israel's. They sowed the wind, and now reap the whirlwind.
 
Israel desperately needs a new PR team. The IDF intern running their X account is also doing a terrible job. How are they such a well-funded and educated country but they're losing the PR war to a bunch of crusty terrorists?
It turns out when you're murdering thousands of children, not even a great PR team can gaslight people into thinking you're the good guys.
 
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