Hector Martin / Héctor Martín Cantero / @marcan42 / マルカン / @marcan42x / @marcan@treehouse.systems / Asahi Lina / Asahi Linux - Developer of Asahi Linux with a VTuber persona. Made Byuu's death unbelievable. Constantly accuses others of harassment and abuse. Hates Hacker News and Kiwi Farms.

[AirdropShitposts]

I will say though, I am noticing a pattern with lolcows being absolutely garbage at cooking or mostly eating takeaway, though none of them have come close to buying pre-boiled eggs.

Ever heard of Nick Rekieta?

Also Jake. Despite his bestselling cookbook:

 

[Markass the Worst]

Hector Martin implies that the Linux kernel maintainers are impolite and toxic to contributors.


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I have no idea what he's talking about. It's not like the maintainers are all acting like Torvalds before he went woke and softened his communication style.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Hector Martin implies that the Linux kernel maintainers are impolite and toxic to contributors.

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I have no idea what he's talking about. It's not like the maintainers are all acting like Torvalds before he went woke and softened his communication style.

is he picking a fight with this guy?

Could be worse, could be dealing with Ulrich Drepper in his prime.

 

[DavidS877]

Hector Martin implies that the Linux kernel maintainers are impolite and toxic to contributors.

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I have no idea what he's talking about. It's not like the maintainers are all acting like Torvalds before he went woke and softened his communication style.

Personally I believe that the kernel maintainers should be gatekeeping assholes. I don't want tranny's first patch to be one that causes some giant problem. If you want to contribute broken, useless code there's plenty of other opensource projects you can lend your 'talents' to, like systemd, or Wayland, or whatever other projects have a trans-friendly CoC.

 

[AnOminous]

Hector Martin implies that the Linux kernel maintainers are impolite and toxic to contributors.

I like how this fat pudgy hoaxing faggot feels compelled to say there's a toxicity problem and "it's not me."

Yes it is, you are literally the fat pudgy hoaxing faggot who personifies the problem, you fucking liar. Pieces of shit like you even being allowed near the kernel are the problem.

 

[Pee Cola]

I like how this fat pudgy hoaxing faggot feels compelled to say there's a toxicity problem and "it's not me."

If someone keeps having problems with other people, it's almost never other people who are the problem.

 

[UNIXLover]

Personally I believe that the kernel maintainers should be gatekeeping assholes.

For what benefit? To ruin the day of some poor soul who wants to upstream an improvement? To scare away people who want to do free labor? To encourage vendors to maintain their own patchsets because upstreaming them is a pain?
Code changes creating bugs is just a part of development. Ensuring that no bugs get introduced means that you will be afraid of making big changes. Bugs can should be reduced by doing proper testing, automation tests, code reviews, etc.
Making contributing more accessible doesn't mean that you have to lower the quality bar. The quality bar can be respectfully communicated.

It also doesn't help that the process of submitting patches and getting code reviewed is antiquated as it's done decentralized over email. Their mailing list blocks HTML emails making it harder for people to use and it's overly confusing to follow. Meanwhile the rest of the industry has been making actual tools for doing reviews and making the experience better and faster to increase developer velocity, but for some reason the Linux kernel is stuck using old tools.

Increasing the amount people working in the kernel and the rate of their contributions will make Linux improve faster. Being a toxic gatekeeper works against that goal.

 

[Hall of Cost Payer]

For what benefit? To ruin the day of some poor soul who wants to upstream an improvement? To scare away people who want to do free labor? To encourage vendors to maintain their own patchsets because upstreaming them is a pain?
Code changes creating bugs is just a part of development. Ensuring that no bugs get introduced means that you will be afraid of making big changes. Bugs can should be reduced by doing proper testing, automation tests, code reviews, etc.
Making contributing more accessible doesn't mean that you have to lower the quality bar. The quality bar can be respectfully communicated.

It also doesn't help that the process of submitting patches and getting code reviewed is antiquated as it's done decentralized over email. Their mailing list blocks HTML emails making it harder for people to use and it's overly confusing to follow. Meanwhile the rest of the industry has been making actual tools for doing reviews and making the experience better and faster to increase developer velocity, but for some reason the Linux kernel is stuck using old tools.

Increasing the amount people working in the kernel and the rate of their contributions will make Linux improve faster. Being a toxic gatekeeper works against that goal.

I have to disagree here. Linux is the most distributed OS in the world currently, it runs everywhere almost all companies use it and it's used in every country in the world.

The fact that Linux is a monolithic kernel also means that every device manufacturer has to commit their drivers into Linux kernel code. And the stuff that hardware devs write can be criminal. Lastly the core maintainers are less people than you'd guess or would be appropriate.

So if the few brave souls that keep Linux together had to respond to any NULL deref a pajeet or chink vomited into a merge request with "Oopsie woopsie, we don't do that here Kawaiii, let us fix this together :3" they'd all rope themselves after a few months.

Keeping the tone slightly toxic means that most people think twice or 10 times before submitting their code to them. Something that makes sense for the lowest level of code that runs on critical systems.

 

[Lady Ivlia de Nîmes]

Their mailing list blocks HTML emails making it harder for people to use and it's overly confusing to follow.

this is the dumbest argument i've ever heard. If they were to allow HTML emails, it'd be far more difficult to follow because inline replies aren't really a thing with HTML emails.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

It also doesn't help that the process of submitting patches and getting code reviewed is antiquated as it's done decentralized over email. Their mailing list blocks HTML emails making it harder for people to use and it's overly confusing to follow. Meanwhile the rest of the industry has been making actual tools for doing reviews and making the experience better and faster to increase developer velocity, but for some reason the Linux kernel is stuck using old tools.

It's sort of ironic that Linus created Git for the kernel because existing version control systems were so bad, yet the kernel hasn't adopted any of the other innovations that have come since. There's a lot wrong with GitHub, but its pull request system is 100 times better than mailing lists.

 

[Markass the Worst]

In a reply to Youtuber Technology Connections, Hector Martin claims that "I actually have some serious internet harassers on my tail".

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Technology Connections himself is arguably a lolcow deserving of his own KF thread. The toots Marcan replied to are a goldmine of lolmilk whining about being ""subject to harassment"":

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Apparently it's still harassment even if "you might not even see the harassing behavior"! So he very likely doesn't believe that you can avoid "harassment" by logging off the Internet.

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[AnOminous]

Their mailing list blocks HTML emails making it harder for people to use and it's overly confusing to follow.

Do these idiots think it's 1980? Suppose you actually have to use snippets of HTML to explain something?

Apparently it's still harassment even if "you might not even see the harassing behavior"! So he very likely doesn't believe that you can avoid "harassment" by logging off the Internet.

Nothing can be legally harassment if you aren't even aware of it.

Harassment requires the target be harmed or at the very least annoyed by the conduct, and if you don't even know it happened, obviously that's not the case.

What a fat fucking retard.

this is the dumbest argument i've ever heard. If they were to allow HTML emails, it'd be far more difficult to follow because inline replies aren't really a thing with HTML emails.

It seems to be a better idea simply to have a rule that HTML emails are only allowed when it's necessary for some reason and boot anyone who can't follow the rule.

 

[Creative Username]

"Somebody might be saying something mean about me on the Internet somewhere! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH"
Disgraceful.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

I appreciate the honesty of the guy complaining that he's paranoid that someone somewhere is talking about him. Usually they're just vague about this being murderrape on the dark web or whatever it is we're supposed to be doing here on the Kiwi Farms or else Null bans us.

I also love the idea of someone having some "serious harassers on my tail" who has a public internet identity, a bunch of connected accounts, easy places to find him, etc. It'd be harder to "tail" my mom on the internet than Hector and these other idiots. Hector's like tailing a guy with his face, or I guess Asahi Lina, on the side of his van.

 

[UNIXLover]

Linux is the most distributed OS in the world

And most of them use a LTS kernel.

The fact that Linux is a monolithic kernel also means that every device manufacturer has to commit their drivers into Linux kernel code.

They only need to do that for what's needed for device bringup. The rest can be implemented in kernel modules.

And the stuff that hardware devs write can be criminal

I won't deny that.

Oopsie woopsie, we don't do that here Kawaiii, let us fix this together :3

Not being toxic doesn't mean you have to talk like that. "This pointer may be NULL here" is faster, clearer, less patronizing, and doesn't make you want to kill yourself.

Keeping the tone slightly toxic means that most people think twice or 10 times before submitting their code to them.

That results in fragmentation and less community contributions and not an increase of code quality like you are suggesting.

Something that makes sense for the lowest level of code that runs on critical systems.

Critical systems use the LTS branch. If bugs aren't found by code review or testing they can still be found by people who run bleeding edge builds before the change becomes part of the next LTS.

If they were to allow HTML emails, it'd be far more difficult to follow because inline replies aren't really a thing with HTML emails.

Use > like every other platform. If the email clients 99% of developers use make using the mailing list a bad experience then maybe it is the mailing list that is the problem.

"It's not my fault that is hard to report bugs or submit patches it is everyone else's fault for having a bad email client"

Authorized Fetch means that you can't anonymously view posts via ActivityPub. You have to have an account on some Mastadon instance, that isn't on a blocked instance.

Of course most instances will still let you anonymously see the posts via the web interface

 

[Lady Ivlia de Nîmes]

It seems to be a better idea simply to have a rule that HTML emails are only allowed when it's necessary for some reason and boot anyone who can't follow the rule.

Thus far, I've never seen a HTML e-mail posted on a mailing list for a free-software project that had "some reason" being HTML. This is obviously very biased since a very large majority of e-mails sent are plain text (UTF-8 ), especially those by regulars.
HTML e-mails aren't typically forbidden tho they just get sent out the same and most e-mail clients are capable of converting the HTML to plain text when replying. But sending a HTML email heavily signals that you're a newbie and sometimes some autist replies just to tell you to use plaintext.

Use > like every other platform. If the email clients 99% of developers use make using the mailing list a bad experience then maybe it is the mailing list that is the problem.

Quoting with > is exactly what people use in plain text emails? This allows inline replies of
> partial quoted content
with a response
while HTML emails can't work with >. Instead you (or well, your e-mail client) have to use <BLOCKQUOTE> and inline replying means you have to break all currently open elements put the reply there and then reopen all elements. This generally doesn't happen, instead top-posting became the norm for HTML e-mail workflows in businesses.

 

[UNIXLover]

while HTML emails can't work with >

I do not care about stone age email clients that almost none of the developer population uses. People type > and behind the scene it is escaped for them as &gt; People don't have to know that technically their email uses HTML. They can just write a message and send that message to other people.

 

[The Mat Harris]

In a reply to Youtuber Technology Connections, Hector Martin claims that "I actually have some serious internet harassers on my tail".
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Technology Connections himself is arguably a lolcow deserving of his own KF thread. The toots Marcan replied to are a goldmine of lolmilk whining about being ""subject to harassment"":
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Apparently it's still harassment even if "you might not even see the harassing behavior"! So he very likely doesn't believe that you can avoid "harassment" by logging off the Internet.
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technology connections? Based on his lisp I always suspected he was gay but I love how in depth his videos are.

 

[indomitable snowman]

Technology Connections himself is arguably a lolcow deserving of his own KF thread. The toots Marcan replied to are a goldmine of lolmilk whining about being ""subject to harassment"":

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Apparently it's still harassment even if "you might not even see the harassing behavior"! So he very likely doesn't believe that you can avoid "harassment" by logging off the Internet.

I've seen him mentioned here before as lolcow lite. I think he has made some genuinely good videos, but it seems like he cannot handle the fact his videos go beyond his hugbox and the mildest of criticism. I went to his mastadon for the first time and wow is he a thin skinned faggot.
I think he also subscibes to NJB and fuckcars because "car brain rot" and could this not be an example of harassments towards car users? I feel harassed knowing he doesn't like my V6 now. Please will mastadon do something about this TOXIC behavior?


Anyway enough about technology connection

 

[Markass the Worst]

I think he also subscibes to NJB and fuckcars because "car brain rot" and could this not be an example of harassments towards car users?

I don't think he fully buys in to car hate but he probably privately agrees with urbanists. At the very least he agrees with them on banning gas stoves, documented in the urbanists thread.

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On topic, Hector hates it when people criticise Apple in what he believes to be the wrong ways.

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