Plagued The Alt-Right

[Bungleboy]

It's not even /pol/ Null.

It's the fact that people like Roosh V of Mommy's Basement and their blogs are being held up as paragons of Good Opinions by the people mocked in this thread.

There is an extremely idiotic fringe to the movement and the mainstream has done nothing to mock or distance themselves from it.

It's like how Gamergate made the diaper on head retarded mistake of indulging Vox Day. "Sure you are a living negative stereotype of us but we're going to validate you because we're naive as shit"

 

[Euphues Evenlede]

There is an extremely idiotic fringe to the movement and the mainstream has done nothing to mock or distance themselves from it.

Mainstream Conservatives have done nothing but mock and distance themselves from the Alt-Right. Unless you are talking about Mainstream Alt-Righters, which is an oxymoron in my opinion.

Mike Cernovich is not Alt-Right.

Milo Yiannopoulos, despite his reporting on the Alt-Right and his constant association with it, has consistently claimed not to be Alt-Right himself.

The Alt-Right is an explicitly racialist movement. That's the minimum if you should want to consider yourself Alt-Right. White Nationalism seems to be the logical outgrowth of that racialism, and it's the majority opinion on the Alt-Right. Of course, I could be mistaken. I might have only been exposed to one portion of the movement, but if that's the case, I'd really like to see the explicitly Alt-Right news outlets or publishing companies or fraternities that are not racialist in nature, because I can cite plenty that are.

 

[Linako 2.0]

There's nothing fiscally conservative about building a titanic wall across the southern border and creating a government agency to forcibly deport 11 million people.

they're illegal and Mexico does the same to their illegals. nobody' going to miss a bunch of illegal spics.

 

[Brandobaris]

Wow are people seriously discussing the wall? Who gives a fuck if there is a wall or not? Whether there is a wall, or a moat, or a fence, or 100,000 Americans doing hands across America on the border. Or an extra $1000 to the border patrol budget. If you even used that to form your basis on voting for Trump outside the fact its fucking hilarious people are wondering who will pay for it, then that's...... kinda dumb.

 

[melty]

Am I the only one that uses "chimpout" to describe a sperge from any race? I mean we are ALL primates after all...

Prior to joining this site I thought it was strictly a racist thing, in some parts of the internet it still is I think, but here it applies to anyone.

 

[Shugo]

I'd really like to see the explicitly Alt-Right news outlets or publishing companies or fraternities that are not racialist in nature

I see the alt-right movement as more of a collective of like minded individuals rather than anyone actively writing for news sites of any stature, more commentators and individual critics than anyone publishing in big publications, simply because it's an anti-establishment movement in an era where the establishment owns almost all the news outlets.

There's too many racists supporting the 'alt right movement' but they seem to me to be a fringe vocal minority, or people going onto /pol/ and taking its cesspool of 70% posts simply made to outrage and get as many replies as possible, as a coherent ideology.

Many people deliberately distance themselves from the "Alt-Right" label after these accusations of mass racism, even though they support Trump, and vehemently are against the status-quo controlled media, but now being just in that position makes them primed for the racist label to be slapped on them.

I identify with some parts of the alt right, and I think the only real qualifications are to be disgusted with the traditional right, and the traditional left, and to see Trump as a way to destroy their dynastic control over the US government and the media outlets.

But there is no objective way to qualify the alt right. All you can do is point at some people who self identify as alt right, but all this leads to is the mass media seeking out examples to justify their preconceived notions, and not giving any coverage to those who don't fit the model they created.

 

[wholetthegodsout]

Mainstream Conservatives have done nothing but mock and distance themselves from the Alt-Right. Unless you are talking about Mainstream Alt-Righters, which is an oxymoron in my opinion.

Mike Cernovich is not Alt-Right.

Milo Yiannopoulos, despite his reporting on the Alt-Right and his constant association with it, has consistently claimed not to be Alt-Right himself.

The Alt-Right is an explicitly racialist movement. That's the minimum if you should want to consider yourself Alt-Right. White Nationalism seems to be the logical outgrowth of that racialism, and it's the majority opinion on the Alt-Right. Of course, I could be mistaken. I might have only been exposed to one portion of the movement, but if that's the case, I'd really like to see the explicitly Alt-Right news outlets or publishing companies or fraternities that are not racialist in nature, because I can cite plenty that are.

100% this. From what I can tell the core of the alt-right comes from a white nationalist racist guy named Richard Spencer who actually had a website called alternative right. This caught on and has spread to places like /pol/ Andrew Anglin's daily stormer and The Right Stuff.biz. The corollary to their racial realism is gender reaslism too. This leads to a whole sub-grouping of people who disagree with what to do about this. They run the gamut from White Nationalists, Monarchists, Fascists and even people who are just generally right wing and dislike the republican party. As you can imagine the lolcow mileage varies widely among these sub groupings

 

[Shugo]

This caught on and has spread to places like /pol/ Andrew Anglin's daily stormer and The Right Stuff.biz.

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/09/03/the-alt-right-are-the-real-racists/

Here's an Alt-Right response to the claims of racism.

 

[JU 199]

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/09/03/the-alt-right-are-the-real-racists/

Here's an Alt-Right response to the claims of racism.

Quote-

The alt-right is 100% actually racist. Which is leaving certain media outlets stumped. It’s a bit like the (probably apocryphal) story of the Aborigines who ignored the White man’s ships as they first approached the Australian shore because enormous wooden boats were so alien and bizarre to the ooga-boogas that they could literally not perceive them.

Sure, this isn't a proper alt-right voice so don't take it seriously

Also this was on my news feed.

You know its true

tbh when you do a google search there's about 10 anti alt-right memes to about 3 legit ones. If the alt right do something well its making a disproportionate amount of panic.

 

[Shugo]

Sure, this isn't a proper alt-right voice so don't take it seriously

I'm not saying it's an improper alt right voice. I'm saying it's jumping to conclusions to say that the Alt Right movement is as a whole and at its absolute core tenets a racial white-supremacist movement because of one or a few groups.

I'm just saying it's one of the few voices that do label themselves at alt-right.

And as you can clearly see, their style is influenced by overly exaggerated satire. It's a quality that brings a lot of entertainment value to their audience. They're not especially advocating for disenfranchisement of any race.

It looks more like they are pointing out that anyone who claims there may be a problem within black communities with crime and poverty is a racist when looking at the poverty and crime statistics in the USA.

Instead of people looking at these isolated groups, when race becomes a big factor in the correlation of crime and poverty, and pointing out that they are majority black, you're deemed the big R word instead of trying to debate why these situations are how they are, or how to fix them.

They call the mass media in at the end of the article to start the debate about race with them, and the mass media and you respond by calling them racist because of their style of juvenile joking.

 

[JU 199]

I'm saying it's jumping to conclusions to say that the Alt Right movement is as a whole and at its absolute core tenets a racial white-supremacist movement because of one or a few groups.

I'm just saying it's one of the few voices that do label themselves at alt-right.

And as you can clearly see, their style is influenced by overly exaggerated satire. It's a quality that brings a lot of entertainment value to their audience. They're not especially advocating for disenfranchisement of any race.

It looks more like they are pointing out that anyone who claims there may be a problem within black communities with crime and poverty is a racist when looking at the poverty and crime statistics in the USA.

I see what you're getting at but its like they keep getting excuses and outs for exceptional behavior. You cant say "Oh well, Sarkeesian and Wu's fans are spergs but I'm sure They dont represent modern social justice!"

 

[Reddit Avenger]

The issue is that I'm a semi-functioning spastic from the Kiwi Farms that can only communicate through insults, the word 'nigger', and by torturing exceptional individuals on the Internet. If you choose to go to the Kiwi Farms or /pol/ to develop your opinion on something, you only have to self your blame for getting it wrong.

But that's not even the issue: people who go here or /pol/ to form their opinions on "alt-right" are doing so for a reason. There is a political disagreement going on, to feel better, you're going to go digging through Internet webzones full of self-refferential humor that comes off as horrendous and cruel at face value because it's what you want to believe. I could choose to see a pedophile child molestor like Lena Dunham as the face of the Democratic party and I could choose to see a Texas Ku Klux Klan grand dragon as the face of the Republican party and in sense I would not be wrong, but I would definitely be off the mark to consider that a representation of the median person in those parties. And indeed, if I took those figures and tried to apply them to my family members who belong to those parties, they would be within their rights to consider that extremely disrespectful.

A thread like this is eye-rolling to me. I know why it exists. Someone is mad about Pepe and Harambe memes and they heard it's a bad thing in a Hillary Clinton speech and they don't like Trump so they need to find stuff to prop up that hate. Its' a confirmation bias. It's petty and childish.

But to me that is a lot of the issue, since at the end of the day it's not people's fault for looking unfavorably at a movement whose main face/representative atm is the human gaffe machine known as Donald Trump.

I feel weird getting too deep into this in what is supposed to be a lolcow thread, but the long and short of it is that the alt-right needs to find it's David Duke. Someone who can make this shit sound completely normal and most of all inoffensive.

 

[Shugo]

I see what you're getting at but its like they keep getting excuses and outs for exceptional behavior. You cant say "Oh well, Sarkeesian and Wu their fans are spergs but I'm sure They dont represent modern social justice!"

The only reason I excuse them is because them referring to Aboriginals as ooga-boogas is clearly meant for comedic value, and instead of reading the actual substance of the article, you only latch onto the exceptional jokes they do produce instead of responding to any of the paragraphs that are serious.

I'm not saying they don't represent the alt right either. I'm saying to point at this one publication and to label everyone who supports the Alt Right them as the R word isn't productive. It doesn't get to the bottom of the issue of black crime and poverty, either.

The entire point of the article is that the only response the mainstream media is having to the Alt Right is saying they are racists, and once they admit they are "racists," what will they do next?

I had never read any of the right biz before whoever mentioned it in this thread, and the only discussion of their article is calling them racist, without actually reading the article about how disclosing facts about crime and poverty in the USA is deemed racist.

 

[AlanRickmanIsDead]

Leaving aside the sheer impracticality of building, maintaining, and patrolling this wall and the logistics of finding and rounding up 11 million people, what's interesting to me is the philosophy behind it. It's an enormous Big Government boondoggle and a whole new federal agency --the sort of approach that conservatives used to rail against. Whether or not you think it would work, it's the kind of solution that fiscal liberals like Johnson or Kennedy would love. Calling it fiscally conservative seems bonkers to me.

The Chinese built a wall and there are no Mexicans in China!
Checkmate, atheists!

 

[melty]

Why is the alt-right thread not as popular as the sjw threads

SJWs are way more interesting. People have been complaining about jews and immigration since whenever those started existing. It gets old.
It's way more interesting to mock dangerhairs who complain about how people don't find their agender poly headmates' penis feminine enough, and how that affects their life.
Also I'm pretty sure people here are either right wing and mostly ignore or don't particularly mind alt-right, or they are moderate or left wing but hate sjws for making liberalism more shitty, so either way it ends up being a lot of people who hate sjws

 

[JU 199]

The only reason I excuse them is because them referring to Aboriginals as ooga-boogas is clearly meant for comedic value, and instead of reading the actual substance of the article, you only latch onto the exceptional jokes they do produce instead of responding to any of the paragraphs that are serious.

It looks more like they are pointing out that anyone who claims there may be a problem within black communities with crime and poverty is a racist when looking at the poverty and crime statistics in the USA.

Instead of people looking at these isolated groups, when race becomes a big factor in the correlation of crime and poverty, and pointing out that they are majority black, you're deemed the big R word instead of trying to debate why these situations are how they are, or how to fix them.

You see, he could have just said it like that, but instead he said it like this-

Beyond simply being racist it is important that the alt-right admit that we are, by name, racist. A good argument can be made that the terms racist and racism are propagandistic and without real meaning. Sure, granted, but it remains tactically advantageous to declare ourselves to be racists. To say, “I believe in HBD” or “I’m pro-White” interests sounds euphemistic and evasive to the left. Acknowledging that we are racist leaves the opposition with nowhere to turn except to actually debate race with us--a losing proposition for the left.

and

John Oliver was right. It is 2016, fam. Which means we are running out of time. We must stop apologizing for being racist.

Its an exceptional joke powered by his self confessed racism. When I laugh at the alt right for their behavior this is why. How could that^ be a smart tactical move? If you trying to reach people, why would you put that foot forward first? What was he thinking?

 

[Shugo]

If you trying to reach people, why would you put that foot forward first?

Because what else is there to say about them, once you get over the "racism?" The only media coverage they get is calling them racists, and they're saying that they're only being called racists for pointing out statistical facts about poverty and crime.

It's the R word being used to shut down an opposing viewpoint and lumping them in with idiotic Neo-Nazis, instead of people who are coherently putting forward thoughts that do not include the genocide or the enslavement of another race.

Their "racism" is not the Hitler-esque extermination methods the media is calling them out to be by equating them to the KKK.

 

[AnOminous]

Also I'm pretty sure people here are either right wing and mostly ignore or don't particularly mind alt-right, or they are moderate or left wing but hate sjws for making liberalism more shitty, so either way it ends up being a lot of people who hate sjws

It's almost comical how universally they're loathed outside of their hugboxes. We cover some downright awful people and groups here, and almost all of them have at least a couple white knights from time to time. You almost never hear anyone white knight SJWs anywhere.

 

[AlanRickmanIsDead]

Because what else is there to say about them, once you get over the "racism?" The only media coverage they get is calling them racists, and they're saying that they're only being called racists for pointing out statistical facts about poverty and crime.

It's the R word being used to shut down an opposing viewpoint and lumping them in with idiotic Neo-Nazis, instead of people who are coherently putting forward thoughts that do not include the genocide or the enslavement of another race.

Their "racism" is not the Hitler-esque extermination methods the media is calling them out to be by equating them to the KKK.

Calling someone "racist" is equivalent to calling someone "heretic" back in the day.
It's only meant to shun those who disagree with the current consensual hallucination that is society.

 

[DuskEngine]

the current consensual hallucination that is society.

that's deep bro