Were incels avoidable?

[Celestial Peace]

And just have actual interests. A lot of incels now seem to be boring as fuck. They don't have any real passion or interests that they bring up other than wanting women. I've literally gotten women by talking about fucking ANIME and art shit passionately. Women will take someone who's a bit of a sperg over a dead fish most of the time.

If common interest was the solution then both incels and femcels wouldn't have relationship issues because it would be just a matter of making them come together with their mutual hatred of happy couples. But everybody knows this would be far from happening because both parties hate each other.

Same goes for animetards: Weebs do have their specific interest which they can discuss with anyone who also shares the same interest as them. But that alone won't be enough when it comes to the opposite gender. The key here are flirting skills. Common interest will be for naught if one acts like a weirdo. And that's the main issue with the aforementioned "sperg": They are spergs because they fuck up even the most basic social interaction situations.

Yeah if gross dudes would better themselves to not be creepy, entitled assholes women instinctively avoid b/c they don't want to get rapemurdered

Perhaps incels outta be encouraged to fuck their own relatives to solve their lack of sex/relationship problem. The downside being they'll end up spawning inbred retards like you.

 

[anustart76]

The key here are flirting skills

I think I speak for many guys when I say I have no idea how the fuck you're supposed to do that

 

[Stan]

I’d like to think it’s possible for men to go through a dry spell, or be late to the fuckery, without turning into knobheads who blame all of their problems on not being assigned a piece of ass by daddy government (or whatever it is incels want, pretty sure it’s forcing women out of their league to get down on their level.)

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

All that had to happen was for women to let us play videogames. It was THAT simple.

 

[SwanSwanson]

I’d like to think it’s possible for men to go through a dry spell, or be late to the fuckery, without turning into knobheads who blame all of their problems on not being assigned a piece of ass by daddy government (or whatever it is incels want, pretty sure it’s forcing women out of their league to get down on their level.)

Why do you ladies always talk about this shit as if its the "natural order". We have a huge beaurocratic governments sponsoring a female supremacist ideology and huge corporations providing women (with the illusion) that they can get some 6"5 pretty boy billionaire. All the establishment has to do is stop sponsoring feminism and either get rid of dating apps, or require them to actually fullfill their function.

 

[(((I am NOT a jew)))]

Same goes for animetards: Weebs do have their specific interest which they can discuss with anyone who also shares the same interest as them. But that alone won't be enough when it comes to the opposite gender. The key here are flirting skills. Common interest will be for naught if one acts like a weirdo. And that's the main issue with the aforementioned "sperg": They are spergs because they fuck up even the most basic social interaction situations.

Dude I'm a weirdo and I've landed chicks just talking about what I like. Not a lot but still. The problem isn't men acting like weirdos mostly, it's the fact that most men are literally autistic when it comes at reading queues. A lot of it is due to feminism and the idea of "she's obviously not interested in you and it's perverse to project that" or guys being scared of making a fool of themselves even when the woman is giving exact signs she's interested. Sure there's guys that are just really awkward but I think you can be pretty damn exceptional and still land a girl. It's just knowing when they actually want you, which is difficult because we have an entire generation of men raised by women and women raised on not ever being the first to make the move. The issue is quite literally autism. Not "I like anime" autism. But "I don't understand why this girl is asking for my number and winking at me" autism.

Also as much as good faith I want to be, I really don't get the "6'5" argument. I do think women's standards have gone up a bit in terms of financially. But I'm not walking around everywhere dwarved by chizeled football players scoring mid-level women. I've seen some absolute demon-looking motherfuckers my height or under doing just fine with women. So I don't think it's a matter of height/handsomeness that's really at play. I think women are just attracted to men who have a higher degree of sociopathy or agreeable nature to them that's almost impossible for guys not raised a certain way to achieve.

 

[DavidS877]

It's just knowing when they actually want you, which is difficult

And then there are those of us who think back to all the women we've met but missed the signals.

And realize there weren't any.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

You can make a woman laugh by acting like a fool. Though it'll make her see you as a laughing stock instead of a potential fucktoy.

Or, you could make her laugh by acting charismatic but you'll risk end up being a "friend" and nothing else. And by "friend" I meant "not enough to be seen as attractive for sex".

I think the key is to first listen to her (because women like to talk), and then make her laugh at herself. Or if you are the one doing most of the talking laugh at you. To create intimacy and safety if you are a therapy-fag. But you can't really roast either her or yourself, keep it light.

I think a lot of incels are due to our lack of social interaction and a lot of it being in text or delayed, we are writing/recording little messages for each other in stead of talking f2f, this is weird. If one is even slightly autistic learning to flirt is hard irl, everyone used to get socialised with their family and local community in real life in the flesh for most of their waking hours, and people were still awkward.

 

[anustart76]

I think the key is to first listen to her (because women like to talk), and then make her laugh at herself. Or if you are the one doing most of the talking laugh at you. To create intimacy and safety if you are a therapy-fag.

The key is to be attractive from the beginning. If she thinks you're attractive, you're hilarious. If she thinks you're unattractive, you're a weird creep.

 

[Saddam Hussain Obama]

Incels and femcels are usually people with rejection trauma, which society doesn't seem to acknowledge or recognize so they don't find a proper way to work through it and instead fall into echo chambers that make it worse.

So it's a split issue between 50% mental healthcare sucking, and 50% the Internet sucking.

incels would not exist if it was not for communist feminist bastards in the 1960s

 

[Stan]

Why do you ladies always talk about this shit as if its the "natural order". We have a huge beaurocratic governments sponsoring a female supremacist ideology and huge corporations providing women (with the illusion) that they can get some 6"5 pretty boy billionaire. All the establishment has to do is stop sponsoring feminism and either get rid of dating apps, or require them to actually fullfill their function.

Where do you get these ideas...?
The government supports feminism inasmuch as feminism = female labor participation = economic growth. Fuckin' 50 Shades is a fiction novel, and not a particularly strong one at that (having been compiled from serialized Twilight fanfic.)

When you say the dating apps must "fulfill their function" what the fuck are you getting at? Are you suggesting apps should gate you to your looksmatch? Or that the app should be able to guarantee you pussy? Or are you saying the government should force more women to uh, use dating apps, so that the gender ratio isn't 90% weeners? Or, what? Because incels are not exactly shy to say *exactly* what their standards are, and they say they want top decile grade women - the pretty, smart, nice ones who don't mind being both breadwinner and homemaker for a bitchy NEET. Why do the incels deserve that again? Because you're aggreived? Because you think you're owed a mate? Well, you aren't, cause you never were, and things were not better for these incel type of guys back in the 1950s, 1750s, or 1050s.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I think the issue with incels isn't that they exist, it's more like a lot of them see women on their level actively whoring out and acting like they deserve the top 10% of men then go and whine that they can't behave like their own equivalent level of female counterparts.

 

[Heed Not]

Incels are an inevitability because sexual attractiveness is a bell curve and humans are self-interested by nature. Could the number be reduced by not having such a retarded culture around sex and romance? Yes, but it wouldn't have eliminated them. There will always be men who, trying or not, will not find sexual partners.
Now if you mean the seething rage against the world murderer sort, no, that wasn't an inevitability, but it'd require the West try to make fulfilling lifestyles easier to attain for young men.

 

[The Grognard]

Dating apps have many fundamental problems and the most insane part is that it went in 15 years from something that nobody did to the primary method of meeting others as long as you're willing to sell yourself to the smartphone gods, which is what regular people ended up doing. Add in the effects of Covid, a stagnant culture full of uninteresting crap and a political atmosphere of paranoia where every friend has a chance of turning on you; resulting in people being ever less willing to talk to strangers for any reason, unless done via a data-mining application that has minimal incentive to actually help you. Optimize yourself for maximum surface level appeal.

Now, why men in particular complain about them is simply because the algorithm has little incentive of giving people what they want compared to keeping them on the app in hopes of them eventually spending money out of desperation. The userbases inevitably tends towards a male majority, resulting in tough competition. Then there is the issue with various kinds of scammers, phishers, bots, and sociopaths who just see you as a free lunch. The grand economic outlook ranges from quite uncertain to strong likelihood of a third world war. The bread is staler than ever and handed out in ever thinner slices. The pressure to succeed is high and rewards high-functioning psychopaths the highest.

Thus as a result of all this, it's not exactly unusual to see people who have quite a bit of contempt towards an application that gets the vast majority of it's revenue from desperate men. For a man, getting anything out of this is a pure game of monotonous volume.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Where do you get these ideas...?
The government supports feminism inasmuch as feminism = female labor participation = economic growth. Fuckin' 50 Shades is a fiction novel, and not a particularly strong one at that (having been compiled from serialized Twilight fanfic.)

When you say the dating apps must "fulfill their function" what the fuck are you getting at? Are you suggesting apps should gate you to your looksmatch? Or that the app should be able to guarantee you pussy? Or are you saying the government should force more women to uh, use dating apps, so that the gender ratio isn't 90% weeners? Or, what? Because incels are not exactly shy to say *exactly* what their standards are, and they say they want top decile grade women - the pretty, smart, nice ones who don't mind being both breadwinner and homemaker for a bitchy NEET. Why do the incels deserve that again? Because you're aggreived? Because you think you're owed a mate? Well, you aren't, cause you never were, and things were not better for these incel type of guys back in the 1950s, 1750s, or 1050s.

You do realize women worked in the past, it was just men worked more. Also since I'm not a NEET lmao.

Anyways what dating apps, or a dating app can do is limit men's swipes to two per day, and not even present women with every men, except for the men who swipe right on them(keep in mind are two men per day) are their choices.

 

[Celestial Peace]

Or, what? Because incels are not exactly shy to say *exactly* what their standards are, and they say they want top decile grade women - the pretty, smart, nice ones who don't mind being both breadwinner and homemaker for a bitchy NEET. Why do the incels deserve that again? Because you're aggreived? Because you think you're owed a mate? Well, you aren't, cause you never were, and things were not better for these incel type of guys back in the 1950s, 1750s, or 1050s.

You're missing the point and making the same mistake others have done in this very thread and I'll address that with the following quote:

Inceldom extends far beyond the fat, 4chan-obsessed basement nerd. There are many normal lads out there who either cannot find love or go many years alone in between relationships.

And I see little sense of entitlement on incel forums. A far as I can tell, they aren't particularly choosey with regards to a girl's facial appearance, only to things well within her control, like her weight and the number of peni she's had inside of her. "They all think they deserves models" is pure mainstream cope. L'Homme Supreme Mr Roger is an exception to that rule.

Incels that are picky and need a wake-up call or are borderline deranged are an easy target to create a good dichotomy. But it's not certain that they're the majority.

However we can be sure that almost all of them have janky flirtatious skills. And let's be quite honest here: No one would bother helping these people, male or female, with something that no theory can explain 100% and can cover up all situations. Why? Because per the POV of someone who has good enough flirtatious skills they're just a bunch of weird nerds who just need to stop being a fag/bitch.

Sounds like your typical teenage sitcom bully talking but that's isn't quite far from reality and that's where people get their confidence from: By belittling others they perceive as inferior. But it's not like they themselves also don't have their ego often checked by those who perceive them as inferior. Society's a matter of pecking order.

Back to the matter at hand, lads/gals who for a multitude of reasons ranging from nature to nurture fail to achieve what is seen as part of Human Needs 101: Courtships.

But these reasons matter not to those who found what incels are after even if they were social misfits themselves to some degree.

Why? Because when we have issues those who don't understand us are assholes. When we fix them those can't are weak. It's easier to mock them after all.

Dude I'm a weirdo and I've landed chicks just talking about what I like. Not a lot but still. The problem isn't men acting like weirdos mostly, it's the fact that most men are literally autistic when it comes at reading queues.

Typical exception story. Weirdos are weirdos because they act like weirdos, do weird shit and drive people off. Only weirdos feel attracted to weirdos. If you scored that's because you didn't act like a weirdo at all while in their presence and they've felt attracted to you. That's different than being weird in absentia alone or with people who don't mind your shenanigans.

If scoring chicks/riding dick it's the incel/femcel's end all, be all that is and not finding a partner which I believe is their main issue.

And "reading queues" my ass, dude. If a girl has a thing for you she'll send crystal-clear signs from the get-go. Unless she's isn't that interested and is just testing you or she has some ego issues and has a rush for rejecting dudes after acting like she's onto them.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I think I speak for many guys when I say I have no idea how the fuck you're supposed to do that

Here's a rough outline:
1st, know yourself. Look at your innate qualities that make you attractive. Are you aloof? Are you charming? Do people feel sn air of innocence around yourself? You need to look at whats interesting about you as a person and play on it. Conversely, you have to think about what makes you insecure. Women can smell insecurity and insincerity and it will kill your chances. Don't worry so much about fat stacks or chiseled abs either. Just take care of yourself and let that part come as it may.
2. Look around yourself and find someone complementary to yourself. Dont make the mistake of shoehorning yourself into finding one type or being discouraged by your choices. Look for what's available and focus on the best choice for yourself that you have at the moment and avoid the dating apps. You need to make do with what you have and make it work.
3. Focus on her and have fun with her. Some women like to dote, others are more passive. Maybe she likes getting compliments because shes the serious, hardworking type or youre better off negging and teasing her. Theyre all different types of people. Test the waters to see if you enjoy her company either short term or long term and then look to see if you two can have fun together. Love is built on focused attention and looking beyond the surface. Pay attention to her and build on it. You need to make yourself important to her so take the connection seriously without letting your doubts get in the way.
4. Relax. You're hurting yourself by overthrowing things. It's all about flow and patience with both of yourselves. Make it happen with pleasure and don't be discouraged. Bad stuff and rejections happen all the time. Don't get paranoid or sour.

 

[DavidS877]

CUES, it's CUE... Queue is a line you stand in, especially if you're British. Sorry, guess this not the grinds my gears thread.

Also it strikes me that dating advice is always: Draw some circles, draw the rest of the fucking owl.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

CUES, it's CUE... Queue is a line you stand in, especially if you're British. Sorry, guess this not the grinds my gears thread.

Also it strikes me that dating advice is always: Draw some circles, draw the rest of the fucking owl.

If getting a date is hard then just think about giving advice too. The reason dating advice is so generalized is because a successful relationship requires both participants to understand and work with each others strengths and weaknesses. It has to be harnessed to a point that it becomes instinct for each other and no two people are the exact same. You can infer with different types of people and work around it but specific advice requires understanding specific situations and specific people under specific factors. And even if the advice is theoretically sound, you can't easily account for desire like that because it comes back to instinct, understanding and desire.
It's why so much of the advice columns have the eat right, dress right and act right kind of advice and why matchmakers would make a fortune in the olden days.

 

[Mega Black]

Kind of. There will always be a large contingent of men who find establishing human connection with the fairer sex difficult. I assume men like this have always existed for one reason or another.

Most of the other posters have already touched on everything I could say but I do feel it's worth noting how ridiculously imbalanced the power of the sexes truly is in favor of women.

Women have an endless supply of sexual partners, social safety nets, law is almost always 110% on their side in every kind of domestic dispute, and men are socially engineered to take the side of a random woman in almost every scenario, etc;

It used to be balanced to where men held voting power, they could steer the political direction of the countries they inhabited and if women wanted to have sway in that sphere they needed to attach themselves and ingratiate themselves to a man. This was taken away, and to make matters worse women are entirely emotional and socially driven creatures who will vote against their own interests if the handsome man or rancid cunt on the TV says they need to or else they'll be called bad things.

The current state of cultural and societal degradation can be laid squarely at the feet of the female. And in a society where men are so heavily disadvantaged in comparison, it's no small wonder that a greater amount of resentment has taken root in the minds of young men.