Were incels avoidable?

[Celestial Peace]

If you can make a woman laugh, you can get laid.
If you want to sit around and cry about how life is unfair on Discord, you won't,

You can make a woman laugh by acting like a fool. Though it'll make her see you as a laughing stock instead of a potential fucktoy.

Or, you could make her laugh by acting charismatic but you'll risk end up being a "friend" and nothing else. And by "friend" I meant "not enough to be seen as attractive for sex".

 

[Celestial Peace]

I been to some third world countries and all the societies there were zero-trust, everybody assumed other people were out to harm/rob them so communities were atomized af. I was told only in very small towns did any sort of trust still remain but they were very wary of outsiders and dirt poor.

Pretty much the case where I live.

Robbery, murder, shootouts, kidnapping, scamming and all sorts of urban violence are issues that still plague the country 'till present day and given the non-existent interest in local politicians to solve rather than profit from it through populism I'd say these problems will linger on for an extended period of time.

Meanwhile people in both metro and countryside areas are taught from an early age to be wary of strangers and are always in touch with sensationalist media who helps spread fear by constant report of crimes happening.

So, yeah, people here learn to often mistrust and be aware as a form of self-preservation and that obviously casts some influence in interpersonal relationships.

At the same time I still see people forming relationships everywhere both young and old people. But from what I often observe most of them are overall toxic or dysfunctional relationships.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Yes they were, but this current state of affairs was brought about intentionally.

Upside is ZOG can't get the staff they need for their military/enforcement wing now because pasty retarded incels don't make good fanatical soldiers for the cause. Good luck with Shanequa and the troon brigades tho.

 

[cybertoaster]

but every extended family had a uncle or aunt who just was a little off and never married.

There really are 13 year olds posting on those communities

Maybe those 13 year olds already see the writing on the wall.

I remember talking to some incels and they would tell me that even as kids they could see their interactions with girls/women didn't go as expected and they didn't know why, but they were still hopeful that things would turn out better in the future.

And then they ran out of hope.

From what I see incels don't know how to approach women because the closest thing they have to a father figure is pickup artists

They hate PUAs as much as they hate feminists, its actually the same idiots who fall for the crypto=lambo scams who pay for PUA's advice.

Just look at CWC, he was an incel even before the term itself was coined

The term incel was created around 1993, chris-chan was still a little kid back then.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Maybe those 13 year olds already see the writing on the wall.

A 13 yr old has no bussines being this hopeless as they have all the potential and time to better themselves and try the advice they are given. If they sulk and wallow in their cowardice and don't even bother with anything constructive ever because they got blackpillled at a young age then it'd be a self fulfilled prophecy more than something that was inevitable.

 

[DDR Yoga]

Inceldom extends far beyond the fat, 4chan-obsessed basement nerd. There are many normal lads out there who either cannot find love or go many years alone in between relationships.

And I see little sense of entitlement on incel forums. A far as I can tell, they aren't particularly choosey with regards to a girl's facial appearance, only to things well within her control, like her weight and the number of peni she's had inside of her. "They all think they deserves models" is pure mainstream cope. L'Homme Supreme Mr Roger is an exception to that rule.

The Youtuber Just James is probably as good a representation of a (former) incel as any. And he wasn't a "mentalcel" either. He was just a normal, slightly introverted bloke, who, in any other place or time, would've found himself a nice traditional girl at some wholesome social event when he was 17.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Yes but it wasn't anywhere near as pronounced before feminism. Women used to understand that they had to behave themselves and not act like whores.

 

[Celestial Peace]

Inceldom extends far beyond the fat, 4chan-obsessed basement nerd. There are many normal lads out there who either cannot find love or go many years alone in between relationships.

And I see little sense of entitlement on incel forums. A far as I can tell, they aren't particularly choosey with regards to a girl's facial appearance, only to things well within her control, like her weight and the number of peni she's had inside of her. "They all think they deserves models" is pure mainstream cope. L'Homme Supreme Mr Roger is an exception to that rule.

Long rant but here I go.

It only makes it ironic the fact regular people who can find themselves a partner can't understand the very thing that makes them be able to have a relationship in the first place. Maybe that's the reason why many normie relationships end up failing, wear out or become problematic.

They can't understand themselves enough because they act on a mix of instinct, social act and pop psychology but they think they can understand not necessarily incels but people who can't get into a relationship, men and women alike, for reasons that probably revolve around lack of (flirtatious) social skills and lack of proper psychological condition. These two formerly mentioned are pretty much the end all, be all of being able to get a girlfriend/boyfriend. Other traits also help but they're only complementary.

And normies think they can give tips here and there but most of the time these are self-helping to the point its borderline egocentric.

When it comes to the "They all think they deserve models" kind of argument that's just sheer hypocrisy. Most people like to act they have no physical standards and would date a person with missing teeth, crooked nose and squinted eyes spread apart or someone really fucking ugly if he/she is a nice guy/gal.

Extremes aside, the point being is: People feel flattened to date someone whose beauty is acknowledged by everyone so acting like seeking someone minimally pretty is some sort of sinful act while overrating or enjoying beauty in itself is pretty much your average everyday hypocrisy.

Other traits that people often criticize like shit personality and weird hobbies are something that can be completely overshadowed by flirtatious skills and stable psyche. Even batshit deranged people can find a partner if they can temporarily silence their madness only to release it afterwards when they're already in a relationship. They're crazy but not stupid after all.

Meanwhile, people who can't enter romantic relationships will only feel even more lonely and left out because normies who can barely keep their own will always be giving asinine and shallow advice. Kinda like depressed people when not-depressed people say shit like "lol just try to smile more".

And perhaps the fact even those who do more harm than good are able to find a lovely romantic partner is something that would be hard to deal with which helps them spiral out of their mental well-being and into hopelessness and despair.

Incels are like these people unable to get a partner but got the short end of the stick regarding flirting skills and mental well-being and unfortunately decided to vent about these issues by adhering to anti-social tendencies.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

The obesity epidemic has made many people unfuckable and we haven’t had enough major wars recently to cull the loser population.

Thus our incel population is reaching critical mass

 

[crowabunga]

The obesity epidemic has made many people unfuckable and we haven’t had enough major wars recently to cull the loser population.

Thus our incel population is reaching critical mass

Won't the thinnest, fittest people be the ones most likely to get drafted and deployed, or at least be ready for deployment sooner than it'd take drafted fatties to get into shape? And doesn't it seem like there's a correlation between being a basement-dwelling loser and being chubby? Seems like a big war would make things worse, at least in the 'States. Many of the thins would go get slaughtered for the benefit of fatties (and the presumed-significant subset of losers who are also fatties) and leave the US population more dysgenic than ever, assuming the losers and fats could even bring themselves to procreate with one another.

And even assuming some fatties and losers got wrangled into shape by the military, why should I trust that to stick? It'd be a trojan horse of fitness, ripe for decay once they return to civilian life and all the bad habits they indulged therein.

Disclaimer, I know nothing about how the military handles fats. I'd love to be wrong in my dooming and, in the case of war, not be given priority to be thrown into a meatgrinder for the sake of lardasses back home.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Won't the thinnest, fittest people be the ones most likely to get drafted and deployed, or at least be ready for deployment sooner than it'd take drafted fatties to get into shape? And doesn't it seem like there's a correlation between being a basement-dwelling loser and being chubby? Seems like a big war would make things worse, at least in the 'States. Many of the thins would go get slaughtered for the benefit of fatties (and the presumed-significant subset of losers who are also fatties) and leave the US population more dysgenic than ever, assuming the losers and fats could even bring themselves to procreate with one another.

And even assuming some fatties and losers got wrangled into shape by the military, why should I trust that to stick? It'd be a trojan horse of fitness, ripe for decay once they return to civilian life and all the bad habits they indulged therein.

Disclaimer, I know nothing about how the military handles fats. I'd love to be wrong in my dooming and, in the case of war, not be given priority to be thrown into a meatgrinder for the sake of lardasses back home.

Recently saw an article about how at least the navy is dropping fitness standards enforcement, and shit, we have troons in the army now.

Presumably, if everyone was drafted equally, the more fit people would be able to run away from getting shot better and survive at higher rates as long as they weren’t wasted as cannon fodder

 

[Dysnomia]

You can make a woman laugh by acting like a fool. Though it'll make her see you as a laughing stock instead of a potential fucktoy.

Or, you could make her laugh by acting charismatic but you'll risk end up being a "friend" and nothing else. And by "friend" I meant "not enough to be seen as attractive for sex".

No no. The idea is you get people laughing with you not at you. Act like a retard and you get treated like one. If you get friendzoned then it wasn't meant to be anyway. Trying to force it into something else will make everyone miserable. Romantic comedies are not real life. Don't get butthurt by friendzoning. You were never going to be a couple anyway. Hence the whole reason you were friendzoned in the first place.

 

[Celestial Peace]

If you get friendzoned then it wasn't meant to be anyway. Trying to force it into something else will make everyone miserable. Romantic comedies are not real life. Don't get butthurt by friendzoning. You were never going to be a couple anyway. Hence the whole reason you were friendzoned in the first place.

My point is: Acting all funny and shit won't necessarily lead you to pussy, or a relationship or even friendzone.

That's pretty much Boomer advice.

And frankly I feel like so-called "friendzone" is the best some dudes can get from women. And by "friendzone" I mean it literally unlike "friends with benefits".

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Won't the thinnest, fittest people be the ones most likely to get drafted and deployed, or at least be ready for deployment sooner than it'd take drafted fatties to get into shape? And doesn't it seem like there's a correlation between being a basement-dwelling loser and being chubby? Seems like a big war would make things worse, at least in the 'States. Many of the thins would go get slaughtered for the benefit of fatties (and the presumed-significant subset of losers who are also fatties) and leave the US population more dysgenic than ever, assuming the losers and fats could even bring themselves to procreate with one another.

And even assuming some fatties and losers got wrangled into shape by the military, why should I trust that to stick? It'd be a trojan horse of fitness, ripe for decay once they return to civilian life and all the bad habits they indulged therein.

Disclaimer, I know nothing about how the military handles fats. I'd love to be wrong in my dooming and, in the case of war, not be given priority to be thrown into a meatgrinder for the sake of lardasses back home.

You're actually catching onto something important right there. It's always the best people who die first in modern war. The bravest, smartest and strongest in the bottom rung get themselves cleaved through first and you end up scrounging for leftovers afterwards. Just look at what's happened in Ukraine: both sides came in with their best starting out and now after a year, theyre grinding against each other with conscripts who hate being there, militia who have no choice, and criminals. Every soldier they actually wanted in a fight is dead or injured.

 

[cybertoaster]

they got blackpillled at a young age then it'd be a self fulfilled prophecy more than something that was inevitable.

I get the point you're making but consider that when you see those kids most are at the very bottom, talking poor, single-parent, learning disabilities, and bullied to hell and back. Before the internet some of them might have had hope, "highschool will be different" or "college wont be like this" same about dating, having a job, etc. But now with the internet they can talk to the late 20/30yo dudes who were just like them and they tell them how HS was even worse than middle school, how they couldnt get into college or dropped out or graduated but with a shit degree and tons of debt. How their careers are shit because its mostly about networking (aka: nepotism) and they were never good at making friends. And of course most if not all of them are still virgins not even getting a date.

Of course nothing gonna change if they don't try but like when I said when I started this thread I believe solving this issue is more about these guys getting some outside help rather than expect them to magically lift themselves by their bootstraps and just trudge thru the shitty situation they were given.

Kinda like depressed people when not-depressed people say shit like "lol just try to smile more".

Great analogy, too bad normies can barely give a crap about people with actual depression let alone loveshys/incels.

Romantic comedies are not real life.

Its amazing how many men think romcoms are a guide to life, they dont get its a fantasy just like weeb don't get anime harems aren't a thing but some japanese anime author's dream.

Remind me of something the late Gilbert Gottfried said about all the chicks playing the girlfriend role for jerry and george in seinfeld being too hot compared to what those guys were pulling IRL (again, fantasy) or how no chick ever said "I want to fuck jerry" but millions say they want to fuck brad pitt, meaning being the funny guy with the great personality means jack when you don't have the looks.

And frankly I feel like so-called "friendzone" is the best some dudes can get from women.

F for those dudes, if that were me I rather get nothing.

 

[Celestial Peace]

And frankly I feel like so-called "friendzone" is the best some dudes can get from women. And by "friendzone" I mean it literally unlike "friends with benefits".

F for those dudes, if that were me I rather get nothing.

Actually I have nothing against a friendship between a man and a woman but what I see as "friendship" is akin to a brother/sister relationship (i.e.: Both can trust and help each other in times of need) which differs greatly from what most people see as male/female friendship.

Female friends will be more like acquaintances than proper friends per se and they'll only hang out together if they bump into each other while they're hanging out with their respective group of friends.

Is it impossible for a man to get over his feelings for a woman and become her "friend"? It is impossible for a woman to place a man into the friendzone while avoid triggering his romantic feelings because she can clarify things between them? The answer for both is no.

But the best you'll get from that is an acquaintance which you'll see as often as any other acquainted person supposing you don't give a shit about your acquaintances.

You'll seldom see a male/female friendship that really gives meaning to the word "friendship".

And acquaintances, male or female, are worth jack unless for practical reasons.

 

[cybertoaster]

Actually I have nothing against a friendship between a man and a woman but what I see as "friendship" is akin to a brother/sister relationship (i.e.: Both can trust and help each other in times of need) which differs greatly from what most people see as male/female friendship.

Female friends will be more like acquaintances than proper friends per se and they'll only hang out together if they bump into each other while they're hanging out with their respective group of friends.

Is it impossible for a man to get over his feelings for a woman and become her "friend"? It is impossible for a woman to place a man into the friendzone while avoid triggering his romantic feelings because she can clarify things between them? The answer for both is no.

But the best you'll get from that is an acquaintance which you'll see as often as any other acquainted person supposing you don't give a shit about your acquaintances.

You'll seldom see a male/female friendship that really gives meaning to the word "friendship".

And acquaintances, male or female, are worth jack unless for practical reasons.

The thing is the "friendzone" isn't friendship, almost all the guys I seen fall into that trap become indentured workers, they never get to do actual friend stuff with her or hang out with her group of friends, they are always doing stuff for her like driving her around, paying for the meal, "loaning" (never gonna see that money back) etc...

 

[AnOminous]

The thing is the "friendzone" isn't friendship, almost all the guys I seen fall into that trap become indentured workers, they never get to do actual friend stuff with her or hang out with her group of friends, they are always doing stuff for her like driving her around, paying for the meal, "loaning" (never gonna see that money back) etc...

There are two kinds of "friendzone" and one is the obvious one where the chick hates your guts but has been socialized into the dumb passivity where females can't just be openly hostile to males. You're just supposed to go away.

The other is the one where you're actually a friend. Of sorts. Don't put up with the kind where this bitch just uses you as an emotional toilet to bitch about her actual boyfriend, that's worthless.

"Friendzone" is a couple situations where you're a retard. Your obvious move is an exit.

Don't mistake that for the situation where you actually have a member of the opposite sex as a friend. Those are precious.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

"Friendzone" is a couple situations where you're a retard. Your obvious move is an exit.

Guys only end up in the "Friendzone" because they took too long to ask the girl out. This comes down to confidence. Not confidence to act like fucking chad, but confidence to be rejected, and to not have it bother you at all. Lack of confidence is a fear of rejection. So they do the "Friends" route (Like the romantic comedy shows them it really works) to build up emotional credit with the women until she "realizes" he's a guy they want to date. Except it does not work that way at all.

You've got a short window of time when you meet a woman in real life (Not bars or dating apps) where you get put in a pending box whether she might date you. But like fresh fruit you go rotten quickly in that box so you've got to ask her out quickly before that happens.

If she rejects the guy that's great because now he won't be investing any time into being "Friends" and can move onto the next. He's got confidence and it does not effect him and he's not chasing sunk cost of that "Friendship" he didn't build up with her.

 

[cybertoaster]

the dumb passivity where females can't just be openly hostile to males.

What century are you writing this from? I seen women beating men in public and nobody even bothered to stop her. She could tell some of these loveshys to fuck off and nothing would happen. The odds of that guy going psycho killer are near zero, she's more likely to get stabbed to death by her boyfriend than some lanky awkward nerd.

The other is the one where you're actually a friend. Of sorts. Don't put up with the kind where this bitch just uses you as an emotional toilet to bitch about her actual boyfriend, that's worthless.

"Friendzone" is a couple situations where you're a retard. Your obvious move is an exit.

Don't mistake that for the situation where you actually have a member of the opposite sex as a friend. Those are precious.

I don't think you get my point which is that there is no "friendzone" because those guys are not her friends, and yes I do get that the term comes mostly from the "lets better be friends" copout but most of these idiots really think they are friends with the girls and don't get they are being used for free shit/favors.

I never been friendzoned, if she wasn't interest then I move on rather than start orbiting thinking that eventually for some magical reason that chick is gonna chance her mind, which is what friendzoned losers do.

My experience is that female friends start as friends from the get-go, never had a female friend that was a romantic interest and afaik they never told me they saw me "as more than a friend" so I assume it was the same on her side.