2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict: Official Mass Debates Edition

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Communists, including communist Jews, literally died by the millions to liberate hundreds of thousands of survivors from the camps in the East. There goes that famous Hebrew gratitude again.
Will respond to the rest later but this made me lol, the Soviet union did not fight WW2 to liberate Jews from the Holocaust and neither did the rest of the Allies. Liberating the Jews from the Holocaust was a side objective and was never the main point of ww2, hence why allies never bothered to bomb the tracks to Auschwitz or really do much to stop the genocide they were aware of since 1943. It's especially funny because you're trying to cover for a country that was extremely anti semitic.
 
Will respond to the rest later but this made me lol, the Soviet union did not fight WW2 to liberate Jews from the Holocaust and neither did the rest of the Allies.
Obviously true, but it still resulted in a lot of Jews getting saved anyway, and you got the Holocaust to wield for what seems to be forever.
Russians lost millions upon millions of their own, it would be retarded to care about Jews above that. They just wanted vengeance on Germans and to pacify their expansionism, goal that I agree with, cause what Germany did destabilized the whole continent. I just hate spergy destabilizers passionately.

Unrelated, the Shitter replies to the Jewish Obama era diplomat going MATI on some low level Arab food vendor are mostly Arab named accounts.
The idiots want him jailed
... for hate speech
.... in America
They have to remind us how retarded they are and how they'd be just as inimical to Europeans as Jews are if they ever took power in the US
I can't believe these populations and how obnoxious they are
 
Will respond to the rest later but this made me lol, the Soviet union did not fight WW2 to liberate Jews from the Holocaust and neither did the rest of the Allies. Liberating the Jews from the Holocaust was a side objective and was never the main point of ww2, hence why allies never bothered to bomb the tracks to Auschwitz or really do much to stop the genocide they were aware of since 1943. It's especially funny because you're trying to cover for a country that was extremely anti semitic.
lmao the Allies did indeed bomb train tracks as well as supply routes to the camps, the Reich complained about it in cables that survived. Auschwitz was far from the only camp, and Auschwitz had dozens of satellites and subcamps throughout Poland; all the large camps did.

The USSR top brass was literally nearly all Jewish. Zionism has really done a number on you if you are calling the USSR antisemitic.

The USA decided to enter the war in Europe to save it; just because they weren't tonguing heeb anus doesn't mean stopping the Holocaust was unimportant, especially since no one knew the extent until after liberation. As for the USSR, it was fighting for its very existence after being invaded but once they learned what happened it became a priority, there's tons of documentation. Your attitude is pretty common among Zionists and I am beginning to wonder why anyone bothered.

are mostly Arab
I don't want that kind of cringe in my country.
 
The USSR top brass was literally nearly all Jewish. Zionism has really done a number on you if you are calling the USSR antisemitic.
Bruh my family is from the USSR, they were actively discriminated against for being Jewish even when they were not religious. Speak to any Russian Jew who grew up in the Soviet union and they'll tell you about how much they suffered from this discrimination. Denying this is insanity.
 
So to be clear, da jooz were the ones who were primarily responsible for the various CIA overthrows of central American governments, overthrowing Iran, attempting to assassinate Castro, etc?

I think it's pretty clear that at least in the last few decades. The line between the CIA and Mossad is almost not there.




Not only the "news" you see is being manipulated. But the situations you complain about, they are also manipulated.
 
The idiots want him jailed
... for hate speech
.... in America
Their demands don't seem unreasonable if you consider that if this was a MAGA hat wearing republican harrasing a black guy he would've had a visit by the FBI by now. Jews are the only people in the West to have a blank check on ethno-chauvinism.
 
Bruh my family is from the USSR, they were actively discriminated against for being Jewish even when they were not religious. Speak to any Russian Jew who grew up in the Soviet union and they'll tell you about how much they suffered from this discrimination. Denying this is insanity.
Guide to not get discriminated:
- have ethnic (not religious) homeland
- don't bother other people in their homelands
- don't get too influent and rich
- if you do, stay invisible and hidden
... or face the eventual consequences
 
lmao the Allies did indeed bomb train tracks as well as supply routes to the camps, the Reich complained about it in cables that survived. Auschwitz was far from the only camp, and Auschwitz had dozens of satellites and subcamps throughout Poland; all the large camps did.

The USSR top brass was literally nearly all Jewish. Zionism has really done a number on you if you are calling the USSR antisemitic.

The USA decided to enter the war in Europe to save it; just because they weren't tonguing heeb anus doesn't mean stopping the Holocaust was unimportant, especially since no one knew the extent until after liberation. As for the USSR, it was fighting for its very existence after being invaded but once they learned what happened it became a priority, there's tons of documentation. Your attitude is pretty common among Zionists and I am beginning to wonder why anyone bothered.


I don't want that kind of cringe in my country.
When you bomb all the infrastructure away then get pissy when prisoners begin to starve
 
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Bruh my family is from the USSR, they were actively discriminated against for being Jewish even when they were not religious. Speak to any Russian Jew who grew up in the Soviet union and they'll tell you about how much they suffered from this discrimination. Denying this is insanity.
Jews literally started the Communist Revolution, the Bolsheviks were mostly Jews, they ran the USSR. Trotsky was a Ukrainian Jew. The CP even had an openly influential Jewish section called the Yevsektsiya who published a Yiddish language newspaper called der Emes. Lenin gave a now famous speech "On Anti-Jewish Pogroms" denouncing antisemitism. That after WW2 Stalin purged many Jews, along with a lot of non-Jews, is not in dispute by anyone and they were almost all rehabilitated after his death. Yuri Andropov was a Jew; Brezhnev was married to a Jew, his children were brought up as Jews.

It seems the main source of contention was that Jews were not given preferential treatment in the USSR (the way blacks are in the US) so its really nigger behavior of the worst kind since Jews were over-represented in all levels of government/industry in the USSR. The vast majority were in the managerial class of the USSR and led middle class lives comparable to those in the West. Gorbachev was asked to denounce antisemitism, and he did so; he was asked to allow Soviet Jews to leave the USSR for Israel; he did so. How was he repaid? By those same Jews supporting the destruction and dismantling of the USSR, causing a catastrophic economic crisis that was reversed only recently. Oh well.

The whole "The USSR was antisemitic!" canard came about because ethnic nationalism and nepotism were forbidden and strictly enforced and the USSR cracked down on both, and no, Jews were not singled out because it was applied to all races and nationalities. The antisemitism trope was promoted by the West, particularly the US, in an attempt to discredit the USSR during the Cold War. It keeps getting brought up by those who have a real and/or imagined grudge against the USSR and its successor state, Russia. You can see it in the way Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn has been treated; first as a paragon of liberalism, democracy and freedom by the West when he was sanctioned by the USSR for his novels criticizing Soviet ideology, and then becoming persona non grata for criticizing the Jewish Bolsheviks and their actions in 200 Years Together, still not translated completely into English, after the Cold War long ended, because that's antisemitic.

What's insanity is we absorbed all those Russian and Warsaw Pact era Jews that wormed their way into government and media so that we are now doing the anti-Russian Jew's bidding by using the Ukraine as a cat's paw to harass Russia, the object of their hatred, and killing women and children in Gaza because we do the bidding of Israeli dual nationals whose loyalty is not to the US but to Israel.
 
That after WW2 Stalin purged many Jews,
I'm pretty sure the jews were purged before ww2. Trotsky was Stalin's main rival, and all the kikes supported a fellow heeb. The few who didn't were suspected by a paranoid Stalin to all be secret trotskyites and were purged later.
If not it would likely be difficult to agree with the Germans to carve up Europe in 1939
 
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So, take the 2M Gazans in, give them equal rights
Some in the Israeli government like Ex-President Reuven Rivlin actually believe in a sort of liberal one state solution. Where Israel annexes Gaza and the West Bank but gives Arabs citizenship with full equal rights. But this will never happen because:

1-Palestinians will never accept it

2-It would actually make Jews the minority in their own country and such a plan would be abandoned as soon as Zionists realize what this means for them demographically.
 
I'm pretty sure the jews were purged before ww2. Trotsky was Stalin's main rival, and all the kikes supported a fellow heeb. The few who didn't were suspected by a paranoid Stalin to all be secret trotskyites and were purged later.
If not it would likely be difficult to agree with the Germans to carve up Europe in 1939
Trotsky got the ice pick not because he was Jewish but because he was an internationalist with a large and loyal following and the USSR needed to focus on industrialization, not spending what little money they had starting commie revolutions elsewhere. Not to worry, his granddaughter is in the USA right now continuing his work.

And no, the Jews were not purged, they were exterminated. By the Reich and their proxies, like the Romanians, Ukrainians and Hungarians. After WW2 the state of Israel, which Stalin supported, absorbed a large number of Eastern European Jews, Russians among them, as did the USA.
 
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Trotsky got the ice pick not because he was Jewish but because he was an internationalist with a large and loyal following and the USSR needed to focus on industrialization, not spending what little money they had starting commie revolutions elsewhere. Not to worry, his granddaughter is in the USA right now continuing his work.

And no, the Jews were not purged, they were exterminated. By the Reich and their proxies, like the Romanians, Ukrainians and Hungarians. After WW2 the state of Israel, which Stalin supported, absorbed a large number of Eastern European Jews, Russians among them, as did the USA.
I think you misunderstood, I wasn't saying Trotsky was Stalin's enemy because he was a jew, but that as a jew he had the support of fellow "intellectual" heebs in the politburo. During Lenin a lot of the government was overrepresented by jews. By purging the trotskyites Stalin initially purged most of them by the early 1930s, but as the purges went on I think he got more and more paranoid about the jews, even purging the head of the NKVD who was a jew.
It wasn't until after the war though that he began targeting regular citizens who were jews, for example the doctor plot and subsequent mass purge
 
Some in the Israeli government like Ex-President Reuven Rivlin actually believe in a sort of liberal one state solution. Where Israel annexes Gaza and the West Bank but gives Arabs citizenship with full equal rights. But this will never happen because:

1-Palestinians will never accept it

2-It would actually make Jews the minority in their own country and such a plan would be abandoned as soon as Zionists realize what this means for them demographically.

I like the: "Well as a compromise, Israel annexes Palestine" Funny.
 
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I think you misunderstood, I wasn't saying Trotsky was Stalin's enemy because he was a jew, but that as a jew he had the support of fellow "intellectual" heebs in the politburo.
Trotsky was described as extremely charismatic by those who knew him. He had a scandalous affair with Frida Kahlo before the visit from Stalin's friends.

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He left behind a following and Stalin was determined to purge that since it was clear Trotsky was riling them up from afar; he really did believe he was going to return to the USSR and oust Stalin. Given what we know now can't say I blame him; the USSR would have not survived Trotsky and WW2.
 
Will respond to the rest later but this made me lol, the Soviet union did not fight WW2 to liberate Jews from the Holocaust and neither did the rest of the Allies. Liberating the Jews from the Holocaust was a side objective and was never the main point of ww2, hence why allies never bothered to bomb the tracks to Auschwitz or really do much to stop the genocide they were aware of since 1943. It's especially funny because you're trying to cover for a country that was extremely anti semitic.
Meanwhile when France lost, the general attitude of the French citizenry was “it sucks that we lost. Anyways, want to ger rid of our Jews?”
 
Jews literally started the Communist Revolution, the Bolsheviks were mostly Jews, they ran the USSR. Trotsky was a Ukrainian Jew. The CP even had an openly influential Jewish section called the Yevsektsiya who published a Yiddish language newspaper called der Emes. Lenin gave a now famous speech "On Anti-Jewish Pogroms" denouncing antisemitism. That after WW2 Stalin purged many Jews, along with a lot of non-Jews, is not in dispute by anyone and they were almost all rehabilitated after his death. Yuri Andropov was a Jew; Brezhnev was married to a Jew, his children were brought up as Jews.
Yes and it's a national shame to the Jewish people that they did that. I agree with Solzhenitsyn, communist Jews are horrific.

It seems the main source of contention was that Jews were not given preferential treatment in the USSR (the way blacks are in the US) so its really nigger behavior of the worst kind since Jews were over-represented in all levels of government/industry in the USSR. The vast majority were in the managerial class of the USSR and led middle class lives comparable to those in the West. Gorbachev was asked to denounce antisemitism, and he did so; he was asked to allow Soviet Jews to leave the USSR for Israel; he did so.

The whole "The USSR was antisemitic!" canard came about because ethnic nationalism and nepotism were forbidden and strictly enforced and the USSR cracked down on both, and no, Jews were not singled out because it was applied to all races and nationalities. The antisemitism trope was promoted by the West, particularly the US, in an attempt to discredit the USSR during the Cold War. It keeps getting brought up by those who have a real and/or imagined grudge against the USSR and its successor state, Russia.
You're going straight to Gorbachev from Stalin, skipping the entire refusenik movement where Jews attempted to leave the USSR but were denied exit permits to leave and then were politically prosecuted. Reading wikipedia which is notoriously left leaning to the point of full commie shit:

Antisemitism in the Soviet Union once again peaked during the rule of Leonid Brezhnev, following Israeli victory in the 1967 Six-Day War. "Anti-Zionist" propaganda, including the film Secret and Explicit, was often antisemitic in nature.[33] Many of Brezhnev's close advisors, most principally Mikhail Suslov, were also fervent antisemites.[34] Jewish emigration to Israel and the United States, which had been allowed in limited amounts under the rule of Khrushchev, once more became heavily restricted, primarily due to concerns that Jews were a security liability or treasonous.[35] Would-be emigrants, or refuseniks, often required a vyzov, or special invitation from a relative living abroad, for their application to be even considered by the Soviet authorities. In addition, in order to emigrate, one needed written permission from all immediate family members. The rules were often stretched in order to prevent Jews from leaving, and ability for appeal was rarely permitted. Substantial fees were also required to be paid, both to emigrate and as "reimbursement".[36]

Institutional racism against Jews was widespread in the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, with many sectors of the government being off-limits.[37] Following the failure of the Dymshits–Kuznetsov hijacking affair, in which 12 refuseniks unsuccessfully attempted to hijack a plane and flee west, crackdowns on Jews and the refusenik movement followed. Informal centres for studying the Hebrew language, the Torah and Jewish culture were closed.[38]

Immediately following the Six-Day War in 1967, the antisemitic conditions started causing desire to emigrate to Israel for many Soviet Jews. A Jewish Ukrainian radio engineer, Boris Kochubievsky, sought to move to Israel. In a letter to Brezhnev, Kochubievsky stated:

I am a Jew. I want to live in the Jewish state. That is my right, just as it is the rights of a Ukrainian to live in the Ukraine, the right of a Russian to live in Russia, the right of a Georgian to live in Georgia. I want to live in Israel. That is my dream, that is the goal not only of my life but also of the lives of hundreds of generation that preceded me, of my ancestors who were expelled from their land. I want to my children to study in the Hebrew language. I want to read Jewish papers, I want to attend a Jewish theatre. What is wrong with that? What is my crime ...?[39]
Within the week he was called in to the KGB bureau and without questioning, was taken to a mental institution in his hometown of Kiev (for more information, see: Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[40] While this may seem as an isolated incident, the aftermath of the Six-Day War affected almost every Jew within the Soviet Union.[40]

going to the wikipedia article for refusenik:

A large number of Soviet Jews applied for exit visas to leave the Soviet Union, especially in the period following the 1967 Six-Day War. While some were allowed to leave, many were refused permission to emigrate, either immediately or after their cases would languish for years in the OVIR (ОВиР, Отдел Виз и Регистрации, Otdel Viz i Registratsii) or Office of Visas and Registration, the MVD (Soviet Ministry of Internal Affairs) department responsible for exit visas. In many instances, the reason given for denial was that these persons had been given access, at some point in their careers, to information vital to Soviet national security and could not now be allowed to leave.[4]

During the Cold War, Soviet Jews were thought to be a security liability or possible traitors.[5] To apply for an exit visa, the applicants (and often their entire families) would have to quit their jobs, which in turn would make them vulnerable to charges of social parasitism, a criminal offense.[4]

Many Jews encountered systematic, institutional antisemitism which blocked their opportunities for advancement. Some government sectors were almost entirely off-limits to Jews.[5][6] In addition, Soviet restrictions on religious education and expression prevented Jews from engaging in Jewish cultural and religious life. While these restrictions led many Jews to seek emigration,[7] requesting an exit visa was itself seen as an act of betrayal by Soviet authorities. Thus, prospective emigrants requested permission to emigrate at great personal risk, knowing that an official refusal would often be accompanied by dismissal from work and other forms of social ostracism and economic pressure.[citation needed] At the same time, strong international condemnations caused the Soviet authorities to significantly increase the emigration quota. In the years 1960 through 1970, only 4,000 people (legally) emigrated from the USSR. In the following decade, the number rose to 250,000,[8] to fall again by 1980.

Wikipedia is notoriously run by far leftists that verge on tankies and even they admit that there was an issue with anti semitism in the USSR. Think critically for a second. What reason could there be to force people who want to emigrate to another country to stay in the country while removing them from the work force and harassing them? My grandparents were refuseniks and lost everything because they wanted to emigrate to Israel after constant anti semitic harassment from neighbors and they were blocked from any higher positions at work.

Go to Rego Park or Brighton beach and tell some Russian Jew that it wasnt so bad for Jews in Russia, see what happens

What's insanity is we absorbed all those Russian and Warsaw Pact era Jews that wormed their way into government and media so that we are now doing the anti-Russian Jew's bidding by using the Ukraine as a cat's paw to harass Russia, the object of their hatred, and killing women and children in Gaza because we do the bidding of Israeli dual nationals whose loyalty is not to the US but to Israel.
lmao its not all the boomers who were raised to hate russia and still see it as an enemy that's the problem, it's the jews who were a minority in the intelligence services that's the issue. Ignore the fact that Jews had good relations with Russia through Chabad from the rise of Putin to the Ukraine war.
 
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You're going straight to Gorbachev from Stalin, skipping the entire refusenik movement where Jews attempted to leave the USSR but were denied exit permits to leave and then were politically prosecuted. Reading wikipedia which is notoriously left leaning to the point of full commie shit:
Honestly? I could care less that some Jews who wanted to leave couldn't. It has never been America's business to take in everyone that wants to come in (until Biden was elected and even then his most liberal cheerleaders will understand why). Henry Kissinger, Holocaust survivor, stressed that it was none of our business to get involved with the Jews in the USSR even if the KGB was throwing them into ovens. Why everyone thinks America should listen to everyone's gripes with their country's policies, provide them with free plane tickets and take care of them and/or take them in is ridiculous.
My grandparents were refuseniks
And? Again, that's not the business of the US unless-and we know its case because the CIA/NSA vaults were cracked opened a tiny bit during the Clinton admin-they were riled up by American glowies to cause problems for the USSR. They did, and here you are.

At present Russia still has a large Jewish population and despite being able to leave, they don't. Its like all that antisemitism magically disappeared once communism was gone. 🤔
Go to Rego Park or Brighton beach
Taking them in and millions of others (Cubans, Poles, Chinese, Vietnamese, Afghans, etc) wasn't worth it. The City of New York has to hire scores of interpreters just be able to function, and Russian is on the top of the list because most of those refusniks never assimilated and live off SSI, Food Stamps and live in Section 8/public housing. In Brighton Beach everything is in Cyrillic. They're a net drain because they believe they're entitled, like the commies they were born as, and will remain until they die.
it's the jews who were a minority in the intelligence services that's the issue
I don't think the Gessens were old enough and neither was Max Boot or Vindman, for example. And Vindman, after being kicked out of the US military is running for office in West Virginia instead of being executed for treason. But of course that would be antisemitic.
 
I like the: "Well as a compromise, Israel annexes Palestine" Funny.
Welcome to Israel.

“Israel peacefully annexes Palestine and gives its inhabitants citizenship with equal rights” is considered a compromise in a place where “Let’s forcefully take it over and kill/expel” the goyim scum” is considered an option.
 
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