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Turns out the pilgrims had a ton of gay sex

Before Thanksgiving was the capitalist celebration of crowded flights and family-related trauma that it is today, it was an opportunity for America’s power players to wine and dine with peace-loving people who they would later betray.

If that already sounds like your average Sunday drag brunch, then it might not surprise you to learn that there were most definitely queer people at that aforementioned first Thanksgiving.

So, yes, your first grade teacher was wrong. It was not “historically inaccurate” of you to dress up like that pilgrim lady in your school play. OK, OK, sorry, I’ve gone all “final episode of Drag Race” and started talking to my younger self again.

While it’s unclear from historical records whether or not there was a massive gay gang bang directly before or after the first Thanksgiving circa 1623, there were definitely plenty of twinks scattered around America at that time.

For starters, the Indigenous people themselves were already engaging in rigorous gender bending when Europe first started vomiting colonists onto their shores. This included the Wampanoag people, who appeared at that first Thanksgiving. And in the case of the Mamitarees, as the chummy, Brokeback Mountain-esque Lewis and Clark would later describe, some men could even marry other men.

While this pre-Western gender fluidity was a foreign concept to European visitors, it was not unimpactful on settlers. The results of this cultural overlap, propelled by that first Thanksgiving, cropped up almost immediately.

Over in Merrymount, a Massachusetts Pilgrim settlement, citizens were not just freely socializing with the indigenous Algonquin tribe, but freeing slaves for fun and, oh yeah, hosting Pride celebrations.

Well, sort of.

In one description of the settlement’s regular parties, Scarlet Letter scribe Nathaniel Hawthorne cited a “youth in glistening apparel, with a scarf of the rainbow pattern crosswise on his breast. … adorned with pink silk stockings.” During another party, the Merrymount revelers evocatively danced like “Ganymede” and “Zeus,” insinuating that this was a 17th century circuit party.

The best part, at least for America’s early dancing queens, was that no one cared too much. Non-procreative sex, though frowned upon, was usually not considered grounds for imprisonment or even the death penalty. In many cases, it simply resulted in a slap on the wrist, such as was the case for Nicholas Sension, who received a mere fine and public shaming after propositioning countless men between 1642 to 1672 in Connecticut.

Puritans, of course, would later appropriate the concept of sex from cool people and conflate it with religious duties, but for the first half of the 17th century at least, non-procreative sex was anyone’s game. That meant that massive Thanksgiving dinners could very easily have facilitated queer hookups.

There were many reasons for this sexual tolerance, and most of them had to do with the fact that life was already hard enough for America’s earliest settlers. They couldn’t go around executing queer people willy-nilly; they had a population to maintain. It was already miraculous enough that these queens had lived past 30. (In those times, queers didn’t experience “gay death” at 30; they literally just died.)

Still, at the end of the day, it was considered gauche to talk about gay stuff out loud – just like at modern-day Thanksgivings, when queers share dinner tables with their daffy, right-leaning Catholic aunts. It was for this reason that the earliest records of queerness have been relegated to sporadic criminal complaints.

In 1637, for instance, John Allexander and Thomas Roberts were charged with “lude behavior and uncleane carriage one w[ith] another, by often spendinge their seede one vpon another.” Sounds like your average Corbin Fisher video! Additionally, in 1629, a ship was reported as carrying “5 beastly Sodomitical boys [who] confessed their wickedness not to be named.”

Five beastly sodomites? Sounds like the dark room at Rockbar!

One exception to this rule involved the case of “Thomas-ine Hall,” a resident of early colonial Williamsburg, VA who alternately lived their life as a male “Thomas Hall” or female “Thomasine Hall,” depending on their mood. Thomas-ine was never accused of a crime, but was instead ordered to wear both men’s and women’s clothing after being discovered to be “both a man and a woman.” Looking back, it’s possible that Thomas-ine was intersex.

As we know now, all this revelry didn’t last forever. After religious and sexual conservatism swept America in the 17th and 18th centuries, homosexuality was eventually confined to underground gay bars similar to England’s 18th century “molly houses.”

In the meantime, however, queer people could still exchange winks and nods at Thanksgiving before traipsing off to the woods to bone. Plus, nothing could beat that First Thanksgiving in its implicit queerness. Merely by exposing the buttoned-up Pilgrims to the exotic gender fluidity of the Wampanoag natives, that meal subconsciously infected the European hets with an insatiable queer-curiosity that could only be satisfied later with things like “Ganymede-Zeus” dances. Is there anything queerer than that?
 
Ah yes, The Scarlet Letter. What other source could you possibly need to learn about Pilgrims, who lived 200 years before the author was even born?

What a disingenuous faggot.
I was coming in here to say that. Hawthorne was a libertine in the Victorian era and he did not like the Puritans.

Also, the Puritans fucked like bunnies. They had LOADS of sex, absolute loads. And they were less shy about it than the Victorians. These were not industrialized people; they lived close to the land. That being said, they didn't think talking about fucking was a great use of everyone's time. They just did it.
 
I was coming in here to say that. Hawthorne was a libertine in the Victorian era and he did not like the Puritans.

Also, the Puritans fucked like bunnies. They had LOADS of sex, absolute loads. And they were less shy about it than the Victorians. These were not industrialized people; they lived close to the land. That being said, they didn't think talking about fucking was a great use of everyone's time. They just did it.

I didn't feel like looking it up, but I remember reading quite a few accounts about how both Pilgrims and Puritans weren't as anti-sex as everyone acts like they were.

The sodomy laws were only ever enforced when it was assault too. Not that they were fans of the gays. They just had other things to worry about, like not dying.
 
This feels like a leftist attempt at rehabilitating the Pilgrims so they don't have to feel guilty about eating turkey on the 23rd.

"If I can prove that the Pilgrims were buttfuckers, then that can wash away the genocide!"

To think all Neo-Nazis had to do to rehabilitate Hitler was claim he was gay.
All these leftists attept to rehabilitate their way is so tiresome as the Chinese guy from Empire of Dust might said.
 
Also, the Puritans fucked like bunnies. They had LOADS of sex, absolute loads. And they were less shy about it than the Victorians. These were not industrialized people; they lived close to the land. That being said, they didn't think talking about fucking was a great use of everyone's time. They just did it.
IIRC, they believed that female orgasms were important for successful conception, and had written guides for young marrieds talking about things like foreplay and talking dirty to aid in getting there. That stuff was just private, not public.
 
How did most historical societies treat gays? They didn't. I don't mean they didn't have rules about homosexuality, there was and mostly it was forpidden, but homos didn't receive much attention. Out of wedlock kids were honestly the bigger worry. Overwhelming majority of people are straight, sex is private affair and everyone knows that slandering rumors are a thing. Homosexuality was mainly something you would accuse someone you wanted humiliate for whatever reason. A guy fucking a guy was gross, wierd and effeminate. If happened to be gay, you could easily get away with it as long as you were not annoying about it. Mom and dad would worry but everyone else were unlikely to care.

Also getting married was more of a duty than just something you do if you happen to fall in love. Having kids was necessarily for getting more hands to work the fields and how you took care yourself as an oldie. Especially among upper classes with matchmaking and all that, marriage wasn't really optional but you didn't have to be super devoted. As long as you get it up to impregnate your wife you were allowed to be a homo onside as long as you kept it down low. You could go for a wierd forever single aunt or uncle but then you better keep a great relationship with your siblings and their kids.

So were there any fags among the puritans? Probably. Were they fags as we understand today? Unlikely.
 
How did most historical societies treat gays? They didn't. I don't mean they didn't have rules about homosexuality, there was and mostly it was forpidden, but homos didn't receive much attention. Out of wedlock kids were honestly the bigger worry. Overwhelming majority of people are straight, sex is private affair and everyone knows that slandering rumors are a thing. Homosexuality was mainly something you would accuse someone you wanted humiliate for whatever reason. A guy fucking a guy was gross, wierd and effeminate. If happened to be gay, you could easily get away with it as long as you were not annoying about it. Mom and dad would worry but everyone else were unlikely to care.

Also getting married was more of a duty than just something you do if you happen to fall in love. Having kids was necessarily for getting more hands to work the fields and how you took care yourself as an oldie. Especially among upper classes with matchmaking and all that, marriage wasn't really optional but you didn't have to be super devoted. As long as you get it up to impregnate your wife you were allowed to be a homo onside as long as you kept it down low. You could go for a wierd forever single aunt or uncle but then you better keep a great relationship with your siblings and their kids.

So were there any fags among the puritans? Probably. Were they fags as we understand today? Unlikely.
Most societies, particularly ancient ones, being a homo got you a death sentence. Best case you got ostracized and were tolerated only at society's fringes, occupying the lowest social rungs.
 
Most societies, particularly ancient ones, being a homo got you a death sentence. Best case you got ostracized and were tolerated only at society's fringes, occupying the lowest social rungs.
Sure but people aren't that intrested jumping on killing someone who isn't causing disturbance. If you kept faggotory private nobody cared. There might be rumors to the point it's an open secret but as long there plausible deniability you could have as many close handsome friends as you wanted. That's why the out of wedlock babies were a bigger deal because you had straightforward tangible evidence of unacceptable sex.
 
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I was coming in here to say that. Hawthorne was a libertine in the Victorian era and he did not like the Puritans.

Also, the Puritans fucked like bunnies. They had LOADS of sex, absolute loads. And they were less shy about it than the Victorians. These were not industrialized people; they lived close to the land. That being said, they didn't think talking about fucking was a great use of everyone's time. They just did it.
They lived close to the freezing cold land and desperately needed every bit of labor possible to work it. They were more of the "go forth and multiply" type of bunny humping. Not gay/weird shit.

Also, Hawthorne was a faggot ashamed of his own family. John Hathorne was based and knew how to handle witches and sodomites.
 
It's about not letting your ideological enemies have anything. First they tried "You like the pilgrims? Well what if I told you they were genocidal colonizers?", and when that didn't work they're now trying "You like the pilgrims? Well what if I told you they were all gay?". They do the same thing with Jesus himself. They hate Christianity but will also tell anyone who will listen that Jesus would have totally been cool with gays and trannies, as if that's a reasonable thing to believe of a first century Palestinian religious zealot.
Remember when they decided the could gay all the cowboys cause "Brokeback Mountain"? We've had recent fag pirate captains in "Black Sails", zillions of gay soldier movies, they're trying to gay the super heros (already pretty gay though). Next up: a Seal Team Six show composed entirely of fags and troons?
 
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