More than half of Edmonton's $60-million electric bus fleet not roadworthy - o/~The wheels on the bus are tethered to a charging station o/~

More than half of Edmonton's $60-million electric bus fleet not roadworthy​

Touted online as 'super-efficient' and 'efficient financially,' the buses aren’t currently living up to expectations

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Jackie Carmichael
Published Nov 23, 2023

A more than $60-million “transformational” effort to move to electric buses in Edmonton is stalled at the curb.

Just six per cent of the Edmonton Transit System’s 1,000-bus fleet are electric buses, but those are very squeaky wheels.

Three-quarters of the city’s 60-bus electric fleet is in the garage with poor immediate prospects for parts to fix them.

Proterra, the American company the city purchased the electric buses from between 2019-2022, is in Chapter 11 filing for bankruptcy protection. Edmonton’s on a list of creditors, seeking $1.3 million and fulfillment of service and warranties.

ETS has traditionally been careful to keep parts supplied, said Steve Bradshaw, president and business agent for Amalgamated Transit Union Local 569, which represents workers in operations, maintenance and security at ETS.

During the pandemic, when other transit properties were floundering, ETS had spare parts to spare. But not with Proterra’s warehouses shut down.

“Parts are not available to properly run their buses … it’s very problematic,” Bradshaw said.
Still touted online as “super-efficient” and “efficient financially,” the buses aren’t currently living up to expectations.

Even if a battery powering an electric motor means less maintenance for 20 years, “if you can’t keep that bus on the road for other parts around (the battery), then you can’t call that bus efficient,” Bradshaw said.

It takes a diesel-powered on-board heater to keep the body of the bus warm. And despite $200,000 in special blankets to keep all those batteries toasty, the Proterra buses are still feeling that northern Alberta chill in their skimpy range.

Some electric bikes can go farther on a charge than an ETS electric bus.


While the website touts mileage up to 340 km on a charge, on Edmonton streets the stylish bus is a sluggish employee. It has a range of up to 117 km, which gets it on the streets from 5 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. before it has to hit the charger, and then gets back out from 2:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m.

The wheels on a diesel ETS bus can go round and round all day. Out at 4:30 a.m. to pick up commuters all day, the workhorse can get home in the stable at 1:30 a.m. without ever tanking up, Bradshaw said.

Drivers ‘can’t fit in the cab properly’​


Perhaps the most troublesome human issue is the Goldilocks proportions of that model’s bus cab, not well-suited to drivers who were either larger or smaller than average in stature.

“The design of the cab has been something that’s been trouble for us. People can’t drive them safely because they can’t fit in the cab properly,” Bradshaw said, noting there has been multiple Workers’ Compensation Board claims related to square peg-type injuries.

“Our biggest problem with them from a union perspective was that we had people book off with injury because of the cab, enough that it caused a ramp-up in our ‘duty to accommodate.’”

The drivers who have issues with fitting in the cab then have to avoid shifts driving a Proterra bus.

Edmonton had electric-fuel issues decades ago with the old trolley buses. Issues with overhead electricity resulted in diesel buses being used for backup, leading to the adoption of a diesel fleet, Bradshaw said.

Ongoing refurbishment of the fleet requires city council to take action as vehicles age out.

“Every bus has a retirement window. The retirements for battery electric have been moved up because of difficulty maintaining them and keeping them on the road,” he said.

“We do have a lot of trouble keeping those buses on the road.”
for using electricity-powered buses goes, Bradshaw’s optimistic in the long run.

“I think it’s a viable technology, and I think it will get better and better,” Bradshaw said, citing hydrogen fuel as a source that seems to be working for the city’s lone hydrogen-fuelled bus with, predictably, its own share of bugs.

On Wednesday, the Proterra website was still plugging Edmonton’s buy-in as a fit for the city’s energy transition strategy and the climate change adaptation strategy, telling the story of an ETS driver’s love for the new electric buses.

Geoffrey H. Dabbs is a partner with Gehlen Dabbs Cash LLP, a Vancouver company doing insolvency and commercial litigation.

He said the U.S.-based Proterra has filed for protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code for a plan that would keep them out of bankruptcy but likely paying creditors less than they’re owed.

Edmonton’s claims include $1.3 million they’ve spent fixing up buses, but they want assurances that services and warranty claims will continue.

“Proterra wants another company to take over residual claims, and Edmonton wants to make sure someone else is creditworthy,” Dabbs said.

Edmonton could end up with nothing because the city is near the bottom of the food chain as an unsecured claim, but if Proterra can stay out of bankruptcy and the U.S. creditors can agree, they may get their ask.

“There’s nothing much more Edmonton can do right now, other than hope the plan is in its favour and Edmonton gets what it wants,” Dabbs said.

 
This is what will happen if China ever decides to cut off the West from cheap batteries...... busses full of druggies and homeless cases not being able to go anywhere will just be the start of it.

What happens when all those electric trash trucks, and taxicabs, and trains and boats and all the other "zero carbon" vehicles the government wants run out of juice then? Huh?
 
This is what will happen if China ever decides to cut off the West from cheap batteries...... busses full of druggies and homeless cases not being able to go anywhere will just be the start of it.

What happens when all those electric trash trucks, and taxicabs, and trains and boats and all the other "zero carbon" vehicles the government wants run out of juice then? Huh?
I fully expect much like all "climate crises" batteries will become strongly criticized by leftists and they'll demand we move to some kind of artificial fuel instead. And eventually they'll push for going back to diesel engines.

You might think this as ridiculous but this typically tends to happen over a long enough timescale. Dr. Seuss's book The Lorax is an environmental tale about how evil the logging industry is. Which was the environmental crisis of the day. Fast forward to today we're cutting down more trees than we did back then because we need to phase out plastic.
 
If only someone could invent a bus that runs on electricity with no batteries

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If only someone could invent a bus that runs on electricity with no batteries

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Edmonton had electric-fuel issues decades ago with the old trolley buses. Issues with overhead electricity resulted in diesel buses being used for backup, leading to the adoption of a diesel fleet, Bradshaw said.

I'm sure ice buildup on wires when it's fucking 30 below zero doesn't help either
 
I fully expect much like all "climate crises" batteries will become strongly criticized by leftists and they'll demand we move to some kind of artificial fuel instead.
We can drive with black people, there are enough and they reproduce fast.
 
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It's fucking crazy how they are trying to do this shit in Edmonton. Fuck. It's cold as fuck there. -40 Celsius every winter. Dry as fuck.
Yeah there aren't many places in canada where electric vehicles are very practical for use in the winter for personal use let alone large scale public use. The prairies get too cold, most of quebec gets too cold and the atlantic provinces get too cold. The northern territories aren't even worth mentioning. The lower mainland in bc and vancouver island are about the only areas where they are practical temperature wise. Electrically powered trams like they had in the 1920s would make alot more sense, but batteries? Fuck that, they'd barely be usable and wear out extremely quickly
 
Of all the capitals in Canukistan Edmonton has to be the very worst.

It's basically Austin/Texas. A super Conservative province with a major city populated by career bureaucrats from Ontario, university students studying various types of Faggotry on Daddy's dime and refugee's imported by the Liberals in an attempt to make the GTA more livable by getting rid of all the mental rejects,

So of course everything there sucks. The public transit system is like a lottery. Every day you ride it you get the chance to "win" a close encounter with a drug addled bum who just might either stab you or just push you in front of a train. Plus you get the bonus of watching your attacker get released the same day because he is part of a "racialized minority".

And the Libs in Ottawa scratch their heads and wonder why the Western Separatist Party keeps growing in members year after year.
 
Just six per cent of the Edmonton Transit System’s 1,000-bus fleet are electric buses, but those are very squeaky wheels.

I have no frame of reference, but 1000 buses for a transit system for a city of less than a million people sounds high to me.

It's fucking crazy how they are trying to do this shit in Edmonton. Fuck. It's cold as fuck there. -40 Celsius every winter. Dry as fuck.

Edmonton is so much farther north than every other major Canadian city by latitude. Every other city of any size is essentially right on the American border.

Without looking it up, I'd guess its only rival would be St. John's Newfoundland, which is a mere fraction of its size.

ETS has traditionally been careful to keep parts supplied, said Steve Bradshaw, president and business agent for Amalgamated Transit Union Local 569, which represents workers in operations, maintenance and security at ETS.
“Parts are not available to properly run their buses … it’s very problematic,” Bradshaw said.
Even if a battery powering an electric motor means less maintenance for 20 years, “if you can’t keep that bus on the road for other parts around (the battery), then you can’t call that bus efficient,” Bradshaw said.
“The design of the cab has been something that’s been trouble for us. People can’t drive them safely because they can’t fit in the cab properly,” Bradshaw said, noting there has been multiple Workers’ Compensation Board claims related to square peg-type injuries.
“Every bus has a retirement window. The retirements for battery electric have been moved up because of difficulty maintaining them and keeping them on the road,” he said.
“We do have a lot of trouble keeping those buses on the road.”
for using electricity-powered buses goes, Bradshaw’s optimistic in the long run.

“I think it’s a viable technology, and I think it will get better and better,” Bradshaw said, citing hydrogen fuel as a source that seems to be working for the city’s lone hydrogen-fuelled bus with, predictably, its own share of bugs.

This union president's answers re: climate change schemes were way more pragmatic than I was expecting considering he's A) a union guy B) a municipal employee or at least municipal government adjacent and C) from commie Edmonton.

Edit: Wikipedia says Edmonton squeaked over 1 mil. And that somehow by the curvature of the earth, St. John's Newfoundland is six whole degrees of latitude SOUTH of Edmonton.
 
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Too funny. I remember about 15 years ago a friend lived downtown in Edmonton and would regularly get stuck taking one of the electric trolley busses, and it was always a nightmare. Even on the rare days they didn’t break down, they would be freezing cold in winter.

He was so happy when they phased out the last of them. He literally hissed at me when I said “aw they should keep a few going for nostalgia”.

There are people in recent living memory who could have (and probably) told them what a failure this was guaranteed to be.
 
I fully expect much like all "climate crises" batteries will become strongly criticized by leftists and they'll demand we move to some kind of artificial fuel instead. And eventually they'll push for going back to diesel engines.

You might think this as ridiculous but this typically tends to happen over a long enough timescale. Dr. Seuss's book The Lorax is an environmental tale about how evil the logging industry is. Which was the environmental crisis of the day. Fast forward to today we're cutting down more trees than we did back then because we need to phase out plastic.
Global Dimming was taught in the 80's.
Compact Florescents were pushed hard by the Obama admin during his reign. That resulted in bulbs with mercury in them that were disposed of in landfills.
Solar panels use toxic chemicals during the creation process.
These are all "green"which means environmentally friendly. Green makes you think of grass and trees which are good.
 
Ah, Edmonton. Can't get a bus right, can't get a train right. From one of many articles found if you look for "Valley line delays":

It's nearly three years behind schedule for a number of reasons, including the discovery of a concrete mass in the riverbank that impacted the Tawatinâ Bridge, labour and material issues during the pandemic, dozens of cracked concrete piers, and faulty cables that needed replacing along the entire 13 kilometre line.

I was there a few years ago and on occasion the fastest way from point A to B was to use the privately-run sightseeing streetcar that ambles over the High Level Bridge rather than "real" public transit.
 
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