General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

Don’t get surprised when people sperg about transgenderism in a General Transgender Discussion board then lol.
At times, you're sperging to the point of incomprehensibility.

Brevity is the soul of wit.
But even so a lot of the points people make here are kind of rendered null when people just insult others for. Being ‘ugly’ and telling even relatively harmless people to kill themsleves. Even if said trans person has genuinely done nothing wrong or is actually trans due to being molested, having horrible sexual abuse etc.
Kiwifarms is a discussion forum and as such, does not intend to make any one single coherent perspective on any one issue.

But even in situations where a single person is making a statement, I think you're being unfairly reductive with people's perspectives. Most people have more complex perspectives than a one-off post on a gossip forum would demonstrate.

For example, the Assigned Male dipshit. This guy is a pretty aggressive propagandist of horrible troon nonsense. Children shouldn't be exposed to this nonsense. On a moral level, he's totally a massive shithead.

But if you sift through his thread and really pay attention to the details, you'll discover that he said that his first boyfriend and first sexual partner was aged 20, when he was 13.

Billy was diddled as a kid. He's a victim.

But that being the case, that doesn't mean he's not a predator, or at least a prominent provider of grooming material, himself.

Both can be true at the same time.
The lack of compassion here for a lot of te more quiet, and bookish trans people. Like lonely MtF’s who are young girls or boys who are poor lonely teens who are genuinely no threat to anyone really to make us seem just cunty and not valid.
KF is full of sympathy for actual teenagers who got sucked into this world. You need to look closer if you're not seeing it.
 
For example, the Assigned Male dipshit. This guy is a pretty aggressive propagandist of horrible troon nonsense. Children shouldn't be exposed to this nonsense. On a moral level, he's totally a massive shithead.

But if you sift through his thread and really pay attention to the details, you'll discover that he said that his first boyfriend and first sexual partner was aged 20, when he was 13.

Billy was diddled as a kid. He's a victim.

But that being the case, that doesn't mean he's not a predator, or at least a prominent provider of grooming material, himself.

Both can be true at the same time.
That’s awful obviously, of course there ar exceptions to the rule, but of course many of the vast cases of rape transgender people are nothing like that,just because you were the victim yourself doesn’t mean you are going to grow up to be the predator too, it’s a ridiculous equivalent and most of them would obviously I imagine grow up to be very sympathetic to those who had suffered abuse young.

I’ll be honest I was friends with a transgender kid in highschool who was actually molested when they extremely young, they are now trans and I am almost certain that they became an MtF almost entirely due to the trauma being inflicted upon them at only 5 years old. They also had schizophrenia as a result of the rape they received so they lease understand if I get a little pissed to ff when everyone dismisses even rape cases as if they are nothing. I have seen what it can do to people,

I think people seriously underestimate how fucked in the head and genuinely abused so many transgender people go through, you just don’t hear about it because the very worst ones are the ones who just happen to spoilt rich counts who live in very libtard areas like California or Los Angeles and are catered to from
Every angle. The vast majority of trans people are actually pretty financially insecure and do still get shat on by society a lot for their appearance, lifestyle, fashion etc. Victimised trans people do exist and I’m tired of people pretending they don’t.
KF is full of sympathy for actual teenagers who got sucked into this world. You need to look closer if you're not seeing it.
Well forgive me if I don’t see it with all the kys tranny memes and 41% jokes I see 40 times a day at least Jesus. Even if you hate transgender people the incredibly cruel and unsympathetic way some people are here really makes it hard to take seriously, like the vast majority of transphobes here are probably homophobic as well so how does that hate their cases at all? Just say you hate LGBTQ people altogether if that’s what you want because your trying to white knight the bigger picture when really if anyones to blame for how bad The T is it’s LGBQ honestly.
 
The vast majority of trans people are actually pretty financially insecure and do still get shat on by society a lot for their appearance, lifestyle, fashion etc. Victimised trans people do exist and I’m tired of people pretending they don’t.
You have no source for this but your intuition.

Your intuition is wrong though. The vast majority of trans people are just fine financially. Nowadays they mostly consist of financially comfortable white men or teenaged girls.

This is why the murder rate for trans people is lower than it is for the general population. Those two demographics, white men or teenaged girls, are particularly safe demographics.

If you want to talk about vulnerable trans people, most of those are black drug addicts and the trans-ness is unrelated to their problems.
What has that got to do with my post? Care you debunk anything I’ve said?
Gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia (the psychological disorder underlying anorexia and bulimia and other eating disorders) are conceptually similar. They all involve a deep seated discomfort with the physical body. We all consider it obviously silly to try and treat anorexia with diet pills or liposuction. But that's because body dysmorphia isn't politicized like gender dysphoria is.
 
You have no source for this but your intuition.

Your intuition is wrong though. The vast majority of trans people are just fine financially. Nowadays they mostly consist of financially comfortable white men or teenaged girls.

This is why the murder rate for trans people is lower than it is for the general population. Those two demographics, white men or teenaged girls, are particularly safe demographics.

If you want to talk about vulnerable trans people, most of those are black drug addicts and the trans-ness is unrelated to their problems.

Gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia (the psychological disorder underlying anorexia and bulimia and other eating disorders) are conceptually similar. They all involve a deep seated discomfort with the physical body. We all consider it obviously silly to try and treat anorexia with diet pills or liposuction. But that's because body dysmorphia isn't politicized like gender dysphoria is.
Sorry to derail discussion but on an unrelated note since you seem to be the most reasonable and level headed person here, are there any transgender people you would consider to be sane and alright individuals? You have gone on record saying that many trans people are nice and do not have the odious personality so many people demonise here as complete nutcases on a regular basis. You seem to not share there vitriol and do acknowledge some are fairly harmless peopel who do positively contribute to society unlike the vast sways of ‘troons’ and trans lolcows like keffals and Liz Dong.

If so what are their names? I’d be interested in seeing a list of people that are the ‘best’ trans people you’ve ever come across and are the best case scenario that even the most arduent anti-trans people here would argue are fairly respectable people. Do you think you could name at least 10?
 
Sorry to derail discussion but on an unrelated note since you seem to be the most reasonable and level headed person here, are there any transgender people you would consider to be sane and alright individuals? You have gone on record saying that many trans people are nice and do not have the odious personality so many people demonise here as complete nutcases on a regular basis. You seem to not share there vitriol and do acknowledge some are fairly harmless peopel who do positively contribute to society unlike the vast sways of ‘troons’ and trans lolcows like keffals and Liz Dong.

If so what are their names? I’d be interested in seeing a list of people that are the ‘best’ trans people you’ve ever come across and are the best case scenario that even the most arduent anti-trans people here would argue are fairly respectable people. Do you think you could name at least 10?
I don't know if I'd put a number or a quantifier on it. I don't know if there are "many" "nice" trans people. There are some.

One thing to keep in mind is that it's easy to get away from the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental illness. And mental illnesses tend to cluster together. You don't often have just one.

And on top of that, the social environment troons socialize in online tends to attract certain personality types. They attract vulnerable people, along with a mess of other troons dead set on exploiting the vulnerable ones. Both groups usually have personality disorders. NPD is a big one.

This isn't necessarily their fault, but intent or not, they still end up being shitheads at times. Like with Billy. Not his fault he got diddled, but it's his fault he's passing it along to the next generation.

The reason I bring this up, is to make the point that even the best functioning trannies are still ultimately mentally ill on some level and that has consequences. There is no such thing as a "normal" tranny. There's better functioning trannies, but that's the best you'll get.

Having such a strong desire to fuck your body up is ultimately crippling to some degree. Same thing with people who want to self harm in any other ways.

Likewise, in a similar way, guys who get insane body mods to join the circus or go crazy with facial tattoos have something funky going on psychologically. It's rare for someone to get into that stuff and be 100% psychologically normal.

So I think all trannies have a little something funny going on psychologically. Even the "good" ones.

That being said, I think Blaire White is fairly level headed, all things considered. Buck Angel is very mature and reasonable. (Being female probably helps with that.)

On the other end of the spectrum, there's troons with good intentions who are important allies in dealing with troonery, who, unfortunately, are still damaged people who can be difficult to get along with at times.

It's been awhile since I dealt with him (her?), but from what I remember, Scott Newgent was a really forceful campaigner to smother childhood transitioning in the crib. Scott was an FTM transman who was a lesbian for most of his life. He transitioned at age 42 and his surgeries, including a phalloplasty, were fucking horribly botched. (Though there's no such thing as a "good" phalloplasty. Just less shit ones.)

He's understandably pretty bitter and can be difficult to deal with at times. I don't blame him, but it really lays bare the psychological trauma trans politics puts one through.

There's no harmless way to deal with troonery. It needs to end.
 
So there was a Polish philosopher named Andrzej Lobaczewski who studied the psychology of tyranny, and found that it basically stemmed from psychopathic people impressing their delusions upon weak, impressionable people. IOW, tyranny requires two components, excessively strong-willed and arrogant psychopaths on the one hand, and incredibly weak-willed minions-in-waiting on the other. I think the LGBT "community" has a tendency to harbor large numbers of both psychopaths and weak-willed minions-in-waiting, and I think this is why LGBT, and really, the left as a whole, tends to be so pathological and totalitarian. Just a bunch of Svengalis surrounded by drugged-up losers.
 
Don’t get surprised when people sperg about transgenderism in a General Transgender Discussion board then lol.
I'm not surprised in the least that autistic retards behave like autistic retards. I'm just pointing out that you are an austic retard and you should learn to shut the fuck up anytime you feel the urge to speak.
 
I'm not surprised in the least that autistic retards behave like autistic retards. I'm just pointing out that you are an austic retard and you should learn to shut the fuck up anytime you feel the urge to speak.
No I am not, I have made a fool of myself in the past certainly but this is something I know better of. You are only calling me this because I stick up for trans people which you yourself hate as if they were clones of Stalin or Hitler for whatever reason so you are only resorting to threats because of opinions you don’t like to hear. That’s literally all there is to it and you know it you vindictive bastard.

Tell me, @Marvin here has given a thoughtful response to my points yet you insist on insulting me because you have no room in your brain for nuance to your arguments. Can you name even a single trans person that you don’t completely hate? Marvin did acknowledge that there were a few trans people that are level headed and not completely insane. Can you do the same? Can you put away your pathetic hatred for even a second and look at the bigger picture?? Hmmm?
 
No I am not, I have made a fool of myself in the past certainly but this is something I know better of. You are only calling me this because I stick up for trans people which you yourself hate as if they were clones of Stalin or Hitler for whatever reason so you are only resorting to threats because of opinions you don’t like to hear. That’s literally all there is to it and you know it you vindictive bastard.

Tell me, @Marvin here has given a thoughtful response to my points yet you insist on insulting me because you have no room in your brain for nuance to your arguments. Can you name even a single trans person that you don’t completely hate? Marvin did acknowledge that there were a few trans people that are level headed and not completely insane. Can you do the same? Can you put away your pathetic hatred for even a second and look at the bigger picture?? Hmmm?
I insult you because you are not worth trying to have an intelligent conversation with.
 
No I am not, I have made a fool of myself in the past certainly but this is something I know better of. You are only calling me this because I stick up for trans people which you yourself hate as if they were clones of Stalin or Hitler for whatever reason so you are only resorting to threats because of opinions you don’t like to hear. That’s literally all there is to it and you know it you vindictive bastard.

Tell me, @Marvin here has given a thoughtful response to my points yet you insist on insulting me because you have no room in your brain for nuance to your arguments. Can you name even a single trans person that you don’t completely hate? Marvin did acknowledge that there were a few trans people that are level headed and not completely insane. Can you do the same? Can you put away your pathetic hatred for even a second and look at the bigger picture?? Hmmm?
You know it would be easier to make your points and for other people to respond to your points if you typed like a normal person instead of typing like you were writing a stream of consciousness novel.
 
No I am not, I have made a fool of myself in the past certainly but this is something I know better of. You are only calling me this because I stick up for trans people which you yourself hate as if they were clones of Stalin or Hitler for whatever reason so you are only resorting to threats because of opinions you don’t like to hear. That’s literally all there is to it and you know it you vindictive bastard.

Tell me, @Marvin here has given a thoughtful response to my points yet you insist on insulting me because you have no room in your brain for nuance to your arguments. Can you name even a single trans person that you don’t completely hate? Marvin did acknowledge that there were a few trans people that are level headed and not completely insane. Can you do the same? Can you put away your pathetic hatred for even a second and look at the bigger picture?? Hmmm?
Captain Toad. 🍄
 
Well forgive me
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Like a religious fanatic seeing their religion all over, it seems the typical "transgender" sees "transgender" all over.

For example, the Wikipedia article on Gardevoir has a lengthy quote by a "transgender" -- because of course -- who saw Gardevoir as a reflection of "transgender identity":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardevoir said:
In particular, TheGamer's Editor in Chief Stacey Henley voiced her displeasure, having taken a liking to the species due to seeing her own transgender identity reflected in Gardevoir's evolutionary line, which culminated in "the most beautiful Pokemon I had ever seen".
 
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The Wikipedia article on Gardevoir has a lengthy quote by a "transgender" -- because of course it does -- who saw Gardevoir as a reflection of "transgender identity".
It seems strange that the trans person would see Gardevoir like that.

The evolutionary line starts with Ralts, who has a 50/50% gender ratio and they both look the same.

Ralts evolves into a Kirlia who has the same gender as the Ralts. Male and female Kirlia look the same.

Male Kirlias evolve into Gallade and female Kirlias evolve into Gardevoir.

This seems like pretty normal development for a Pokémon and it's not that far off from what a lot of insects do since Pokémon evolution is similar to metamorphosis in insects and such. There isn't a change of gender.
 
It seems strange that the trans person would see Gardevoir like that.

The evolutionary line starts with Ralts, who has a 50/50% gender ratio and they both look the same.

Ralts evolves into a Kirlia who has the same gender as the Ralts. Male and female Kirlia look the same.

Male Kirlias evolve into Gallade and female Kirlias evolve into Gardevoir.

This seems like pretty normal development for a Pokémon and it's not that far off from what a lot of insects do since Pokémon evolution is similar to metamorphosis in insects and such. There isn't a change of gender.
Actually that's not how it works unless they changed it in recent games. Gallade requires Kirlia to be holding a specific item or else it just evolves into a gardevoir anyways. This has led to some pretty funny shitposts on occasion over the years due to Gardevoir's infamy of being used by coomers despite the 50/50 gender ratio. Applying trannyshit to a fucking pokemon because it evolves to look a certain way is cosmically stupid, the internets tainted the public perception but Gardevior doesn't even have fucking boobs and in game looks like some weird mildy edgy slightly femoid/androgynous looking creature that's got an eternally pissed off expression. The pokemon and it's evolution line are supposed to be based on types of dances.
 
Sorry if that article might not fit that thread but it might be worth to share.

UK Government Workers Told To "Think" Trans People Are Women​

Authored by Steve Watson via Modernity.news

Civil servants in the UK, people working for the government, have been issued guidance that tells them they should show support to transgender identifying colleagues by “thinking of the person as being the gender that they want you to think of them as.”


The Daily Mail reports that the Information Commissioner’s Office, which deals with data protection and privacy laws, shared a memo with staff that essentially noted just using preferred pronouns is not going far enough, and that civil servants must think of trans women as biological women.

The guidance also claims that trans women, biologically male, actually go through the menopause, and that they should never be asked what their ‘real’ or ‘birth’ name is.
 
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