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I think the problem is rooted in AGP being conflated with HSTS, AGP’s are often doomed to inceldom and act out accordingly. HSTS’s have a dating pool and can form relationships that aren’t weird coping arrangements. Either ways it’s a personal, domestic matter with no bearing on 99% of the human population and in a saner world people wouldn’t even have to think about this stuff.
 
Honestly I think that a lot of transgenderism like the disphoria they feel is rooted in other issues they have which they misattribute to being one thing and think going to another thing will help them it just provides a problem with a solution to address the deeper problem which they have its very sad imo and i really hate that trannies wont question the source of their gender disphoria or why they feel the way they do instead just expecting their life to become better

i dont hate trannies as much as I feel bad for them deep down that being said I do find them quite insufferable and annoying
 
Wait, so the people who have been demanding that society completely change in order to cater to their needs at the expense of everyone else are a bunch of narcissists? Can this be true?
 
people who have been demanding that society completely change in order to cater to their needs
Japan schools easing gender-based rules for uniforms - The Mainichi

the article said:
Leading the push for change was the school's 39-year-old head of academic affairs Megumi Nagai, who came out as transgender during the process.
tl;dr: More schools in Japan are eliminating a required distinction of sex "gender" in uniforms, and boys can wear skirts at them.
 
My personal theory on transgenderism as a phenomenon basically comes down to the idea of balance, where the essentialisms of male and female become less defined socially, leading to a mass confusion, particularly in the male population. In short. I believe that women unsexing themselves in both appearance and demeanor, and the dramatic falling-away of classical femininity, adopting more classically masculine personas to insert themselves into the modern world and to be "equal to men" (which is an impossible goal, because no two individuals are equal, let alone the largest group identities being equal to one another) has created a sort of social vacuum that is being filled by a subset of men who are adopting the classically feminine mannerisms and dispositions.

Obviously this is completely unstable and unsustainable, it's a psychotic phenomenon but one which has happened before and there are three key points that give a little bit of validity to this theory.

A: Historical
In every prior civilization we know of, Rome, Greece Epochs (Cycladic Period, The Minoan Civilization,), etc etc. has experienced a sort of transgender renascence prior to the collapse of their civilizations.
Camille Paglia talks and writes about this a lot. The period of androgyny as civilizations peak and the external stressors and challenges of life are subordinated to technology/labor efficiency.

B: Contemporary Anecdotes
In societies and civilizations which are still "developing" this phenomenon does not exist. Transgenderism does not exist in Myanmar for example the way it exists in the ultra-cosmopolian Tokyo; similarly you can even look at the more isolated parts of Japan and see the same, compare Tokyo to Ikoma in Nara Prefecture.
Or compare Sweden to Hungary., or look at Western Asia, like Uzbekestan and compare them to their more developed counterparts.

tl;dr, the more traditionally defined the sexes are in their social roles (men as the leaders, the authority, the protectors, developers, etc / women as the caregivers, homemakers, child bearers, etc) the less transgender ideology exists.

C: Look at the responses Western developed women have to transgenderism and read between the lines a little bit, ignore the highly politicized aspects of the phenomenon and think only about the Western female response to the social/interpersonal element. They call it "misogynistic" because, to them, these men are adopting behaviors that these women have been conditioned their entire lives to reject.
Whether or not trannies are good at it or not is not really relevant, what is relevant is that they, by and large, at least from what can be observed, is that they attempt to mimic hyper-feminine personas that they, as men, associate with what is feminine, IE; being submissive, a fixation of aesthetics.
You can see this in the potentially valid criticism that troons dress inappropriate for their age; IE, like tweenage princesses, but ultimately (again apart from the very valid political arguments RE; bathrooms and sports) the inherent rage, I see, stems from being confronted with A) the reality of what men actually want women to be, which they are not, and B) the confrontation of the self, being mocked by a crude immitation of the femininity western women have, largely, abandoned.

TL;DR
Feminism and the depersonalization of the feminine Self to better assimilate women into the working world, in addition to the loud, obnoxious nigger culture that women consume: (fucking Lizzo lmao)
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have been the biggest contributing factors in the emergence of the transgender ideology.


To recap.
A) Civilizations that become so socially advanced to allow for philosophy and thinking instead of harvesting and gathering the necessities for life inevitably descend into cosmopolitanism where the very essence of masculinity (The warrior, the farmer, the law, the authority,) become less vital and therefore less valued, see a shift from the heroic depictions of man to a more mellow, androgynous, woman-like depiction of the ideal Man.

B) Civilizations which retain strict traditions and religious or moral beliefs or more traditional/archaic lifestyles (the nomads of North Africa, the Western Asians, Tibetans, etc) have clearly defined gender roles that enforce femininity in the female population through natural selection by the male population, IE; women who do not behave as expected are not married, do not reproduce.

C) Feminism in the west is the proximate cause of the breakdowns in these traditional lifestyles which has created the social vacuum that a small population of men will fill by necessity because Masculinity and Femininity are necessary functions of the human experience and both are needed for a sustainable civilization.

The irony now is that unsexed, defeminized women are demanding the essence of the male, the masculine energy, the warrior/protector to intervene when men dressed like women enter their bathrooms without addressing the proximate cause of the event in the first place.

TL;DR
The more women act like women, and the more respect women give to the masculine counterpart of their femininity the fewer trannies there will be.
 
I guess they'll dislike that article telling it's a pack of lies.

Top Canadian surgeon unwittingly reveals TRUTH about sex-change ops: Unearthed video lifts the lid on ill-trained doctors, dying appendages and 'dreaded complications'​

By JAMES REINL, SOCIAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT, FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 15:19 EST, 16 February 2024 | UPDATED: 19:07 EST, 16 February 2024

A sex-change surgeon has unwittingly revealed the dangers of trans procedures, warning of poorly-trained doctors leaving patients with dead appendages and other 'dreaded complications.'

Dr Alex Laungani, a clinician at Canada's Metropolitan Center Of Surgery, made damaging revelations about the 'pretty bad' effects of sex-change operations while addressing colleagues.

The event, sponsored by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), was recorded — and the footage was made public via a records request by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

Dr Laungani joins a growing list of trans experts who, when speaking with like-minded professionals in clinical settings, are more candid about the downsides of trans care than is usually made public.
 
women unsexing themselves
Feminists are even trying to claim that boobs aren't inherently sexual, implying that men just someone one day decided to "sexualize" them, like an unnatural fetish. I think there's even leftists claiming that the "sexualizing" of women in the first place should end.

Something I think I've noticed since moving out of a leftist city is that far less women have visible tattoos, obesity, short "chopped off" hair, and more manly clothing.

I guess identity politics tells women that looking like an obese man is "empowering"?
 
They call it "misogynistic" because, to them, these men are adopting behaviors that these women have been conditioned their entire lives to reject.
My impression is they call it "misogynistic" because they are using the artifice to literally steal awards from women, and because they think they can do it better without having been raised that way.
(You never see trans men claiming to be "better men" than real men, but this kind of statement fairly common among the MTFs.)

That's why the "ITS MAAM" chimpouts are hilarious, they try to act like girls but whenever "challenged" revert to men and offer textbook masc behavior, the way many men act when their territory is challenged.
contrast that with the trans men, who run off to cry and pout, then show up with semiautomatic weapons, often aimed at people who had nothing to do with the original offense.

The big behavior differences between trans women and men are distillations of typical male/female behavior. the more they try to be the opposite sex, the more they fail at it.

we can all name a few "successful" trannies, but the vast majority convince no one.
 
Nigger what?
They do all the time and it's hilarious. Check out r/MensLib it's like half FtMs talking about how crying makes them totes better doods than dudes, and male feminists in denial about the path of inceldom they've chosen.
admittedly I refer to twitter FTMs, who tote water for the MTFs... I don't think its reached twitter yet, where they could be gangpiled and traumatized.
But now you got me looking forward to coming attractions!

Libs of TikTok had one recently but it was all spiritual BS about knowing "both sides of gender" which could apply to all trannies, but she kept saying how she was prob a better man for it.
So they're on TikTok but twitter/X appears to be the last frontier for them.
 
admittedly I refer to twitter FTMs, who tote water for the MTFs... I don't think its reached twitter yet, where they could be gangpiled and traumatized.
But now you got me looking forward to coming attractions!

Libs of TikTok had one recently but it was all spiritual BS about knowing "both sides of gender" which could apply to all trannies, but she kept saying how she was prob a better man for it.
So they're on TikTok but twitter/X appears to be the last frontier for them.
TiFs seem scared to say it outside of their echo chambers where they'll end up ruthlessly mocked by normal men and women and accused of privilege by TiMs and then other TiFs.

Meanwhile, TiMs will get some pushback from normal men and women, but not as much and the TiFs and other TiMs won't bother them at all (except maybe for saying it where everyone can see it).
 
You can present as whatever you like and ask people to refer to you as whatever you like. No one however owes you your self image and if another person's opinion/refusal to play pretend breaks your self image that is entirely your problem.
That said, there is a physical reality in which you have the sex via chromosomes you were born with, gender is a made up concept of which you cannot show someone 1 microgram of.
 
That said I've always been a tomboy kind of girl
QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!
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Transgender categories:
  1. They were molested/sexually abused and hate their bodies because of it
  2. They've a porn addiction that has rewired their brain into wanting to live their fetishes
  3. They don't fit into their gender role and have a problem with it
  4. They're homosexual and hate it because of internalized homophobia
  5. They've a mental disorder that makes them want to get rid of their genitals like BIID
None of this means they're the opposite sex.
Holy TSMT so much TSMT (This, so much this. So much This, So Much This.)
fellow LGB
Ah yes, because you troon enablers love to fashion yourselves as "the good troons". You're no better than them, I hope you catch AIDS and fucking die mate!!
You've just reminded me of this video from someone who definitely has a devious mind:
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I think it’s worse than that. They’re actively setting gay rights back. I’m seeing more and more kickback against the general LGB because they are being lumped in with the T. And also not cleaning house for stuff like pup play at pride aimed at kids.
The best thing the LGB could do is to distance themselves from all of the gender madness, set their position firmly as ‘we have our rights and are now living dull suburban lives just like everyone else’ and jettison the T, the drag queen kid parents, and the arse-out pride ‘family days’ into the sun. We are seeing the T used as propaganda in countries where gay rights don’t exist to further crack down on the LGB. The backlash is going to hurt a lot of people who don’t deserve to be hurt.
Notice how you fags have the hecking wholesome "true & honest fan" label while I'm stuck with le ebil nahtzee pink triangle? It's a complete inversion of reality.
privileged elite? Has that person ever met a goddamn transsexual? It's really not a privilege, from what i can tell. It's bitch ass hard. And they have no choice, they really don't. No one sane wants to be a lifelong medical patient.
There's your mistake, thinking they're "sane".
It is confirmation bias, most people here have probably interacted with a trans person without knowing they were trans, it's only the ones that don't pass and are easily clockable that you can tell from the get go. I've met a few transgender people in my life and most of the time I wasn't able to tell they were trans until they started talking. KF likes pretend like the average tranny looks and acts like Jessica Yaniv when the reality is most of them just want to live their life in peace.
Why are there so many troon enablers itt? No, they are all irredeemable degenerates.
most people here have probably interacted with a trans person without knowing they were trans
This is the kind of liberal pseudonarrative troon enablers LOOOOOOVE to push.
Trannies and "non-binaries" are a malignant cancer upon the LGB community as a whole, and will undoubtedly undo decades of progress that the LGB community has made.
Another troon enabler, another "true & honest fan" stamp. I know it's a mistake to quote TvTropes out of all spergy things, but Kiwifarms is becoming the EMBODIMENT of this trope: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenPedestal
It's like it's been fucking COMPLETELY subverted by fags.
I think this is social contagion
You're right, but the fact you have an undertroon pfp makes you deserve to literally bleed. Wait is that Uboa? Wait I don't know someone help.
Firstly, I am transgender.
THIS THIS THE BEST YOU CAN DO IN YOUR FUCKING LIFE? FUCK YOU, WORTHLESS FUCKING PIECE OF GARBAGE. THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE LOONEY TROONS SHOULD BE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY EXTERMINATED. AND THIS IS WHY I'M NOT GOING TO FUCKING STOP UNTIL EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU WORTHLESS SACKS OF SHIT ARE EITHER BEING HUNTED BY THE GOVERNMENT OR ARE COMPLETELY DEAD. I WON'T REST UNTIL NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF YOU BREATHES AIR EVER AGAIN, AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU STAINS THE EARTH WITH YOUR PUTRID PRESENCE ANY LONGER. I WANT YOU COMPLETELY DEAD AND ERASED FROM ALL RECORDS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO LITERALLY BE THAT MUCH OF A TERRIBLE WASTE OF AIR, THEN YOU DESERVE TO HAVE YOUR FUCKING LUNGS TORN OFF, COLLECTIVE OF THE WORST SCUM ON THE FUCKING PLANET
TL;DR - respect gender identities, yet never lose sight of biological reality.
"Gender" is a grotesque jewish psyop.
Not LGB, but the T. Very specifically the T.
More of this bullshit. I wish I had a more coherent rebuttal than "muh feels", but I know I'm right.
I notice whenever this topic comes up you guys get really obsessed with SRS for some reason even though it's a pretty small minority of trans people who get that or even want to get it. Also calling it "mutilation" is a bit much. I met somebody who had it once, their "vagina" was not only capable of producing orgasm, it got wet by itself. For all accounts and purposes modern SRS gives you something that is pretty much indistinguishable from an actual vagina. It's not like they're leaving you with this bloody, circular, wound where your dick and balls used to be. Ya know, they actually replace it with something. Whether it's something you want to stick your dick in is another matter.
My main issue with troon neovaginas is that they can't get pregnant with my semen full of superior genes, how am I gonna save the white race by fucking a troon? Haha...
I genuinelly feel like trannies have pushed me to believe the slippery slope is real. I'm a dyke but everytime I see what my own people/community do and enable everytime we get a scrap of social power I get humiliated. Even before current year all the fucked up sex change experiements and pedophilia activism where by gay groups. It's disgusting. I can't even claim we had nothing to do with trans topics being so mainstream and kids being groomed.
Nothing a bullet to the brain can't solve.
Butcher yourself ESL retard!
This doc from german tv is ever-so-slightly critical of transitionning, giving airtime to two detrans lesbians. It also feature a young transman diving deeper into the process and a middle-age transwoman, both are presenting themselves as happy and settled into their new identities.


I am frankly surprised that they decided to be a bit critical. It even mentions that terf island and other countries have tightened their laws without presenting this fact as über-negative.
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I quickly browsed through some classic “gender identity” education videos and animations and I found a striking theme…
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And there are so many more like this.
It’s always about little kids who don’t “fit in” to 1950’s stereotypes.
Fucking sad. How far have we fallen? From just accepting your kids as the tomboy/tomgirl they are to forcing them on the pills by their 6th birthday.
They can cry about how they’re “not saying that gender “”expression”” is the same as gender identity” but we all know the truth.
Made me tear up.
that someone might be a faggot and might not molest children and might be tired of it being assumed they molest children because they're a faggot
No, just no. Snopes says homos are into children.
Not surprising to see a democrap,... I mean a democrat from Virginia who support the trans kid by an extreme way.

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Transgender people are perfectly normal. They're working class people like yourselves, they're your neighbors, family, friends, etc.
I hope you die!!!
 
The more women act like women, and the more respect women give to the masculine counterpart of their femininity the fewer trannies there will be.
Any behavior a woman does is woman's behavior, since it's a woman doing it. Any way a woman acts is "acting like a woman".
Your post is so embarrassingly full of troon logic that I'm assuming you'll be booking an appointment with Dr. Rumer for yourself soon. Thinking that face paint, wigs, dresses and foam-padded bras is what makes someone a woman is what troons believe. Thinking that feminine men aren't men, or that masculine women aren't women, is what troons believe. Thinking that learning to read, wearing pants, or not acting like a simpering brain-dead imbecile who exists to soothe male egos, somehow "desexes" women is exactly the kind of bullshit that fuels troonery.
Respect is earned, by both sexes. Thinking that women somehow owe you respect cause of your masculine-coded-farmer-spirit or whatever is so dumb that it's hilarious.
If Camile Paglia posted here, she would earn herself a pink triangle almost instantly.
 
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