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2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict: Official Mass Debates Edition
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I find contrarianism for the sake of it to be gay and childish and I’m not really “Anti-West”. I don’t support Russia in Ukraine or China in Taiwan
Bless your heart you’re the only nigga that still believes in international law and the UN
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I actually don't, I simply have pragmatic reasons for reinstating this myth, which I enumerated quite a few times, basically law&order societies, pacification of the unruly, and removal of elites with outsized influence and wealth.
I don't see how any of this can be enforced other than international coalitions and bullying.
Obviously, it's very important who sets rules and which rules, and current batch of elites are beyond rotten and require redacted
The alternative would be an empire doing this stuff, and I don't like, nor do I trust any of the large states, like the US, China and Russia.
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This is gonna sound larpy as hell but in my ideal world there would be no superpowers, just regional powers and the world divided into 10-12 spheres of influence. Basically the “multipolarity” shit Ziggers love to always blab about but actually put into practice and not an excuse for le based russia to bomb hospitals in syria because america bad.
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That's basically the colonial era and empire competition. It's not larpy, these are among the most complex and unsolvable issues that faced humanity, and each state (unipolar, multipolar, colonial, imperial competition, war etc.) has advantages and disadvantages. It's natural that peoples that are favored by a specific state of geopolitics will orbit towards that.
The sad part is most people don't have the courage to say what they actually want and lie endlessly, so you're left with assumptions, and inability to reach some sort of compromise where most participants thrive some.
But overall we ain't fixing shit and we lived in an era of very unusual stability that is likely coming to an end.
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I came here because I got banned from the other thread for forgetting the rules. Honestly I should have expected that would happen. The OP of that thread is named "Enoch Emery" which is one of the most Jewish sounding names. Not trying to call out fellow farmers but it seems there is a conflict of interest, with a larger percentage stanning for Israel in this conflict. This is evidenced by the poll results.
I share Null's sentiment and voted Neither. As someone raised under a Judeo-Christian value system, taught to love Jews and the Holy Land, I have lost my patience with the whole situation. Both sides are in the wrong for harboring religious extremism. Islamic extremism is always singled out as a deflection from any criticism that could be made about Judaism and its fantatical teachings. Modern Zionism isn't biblical, yet Christians are encouraged to involve themselves on a national level. America with all its debt, with its failed immigration policies, shouldn't be meddling in foreign affairs. Let Israel and Palestine sort their mess.
Call me when the Seraph with 1000 eyes start blasting lasers at people.
I share Null's sentiment and voted Neither. As someone raised under a Judeo-Christian value system, taught to love Jews and the Holy Land, I have lost my patience with the whole situation. Both sides are in the wrong for harboring religious extremism. Islamic extremism is always singled out as a deflection from any criticism that could be made about Judaism and its fantatical teachings. Modern Zionism isn't biblical, yet Christians are encouraged to involve themselves on a national level. America with all its debt, with its failed immigration policies, shouldn't be meddling in foreign affairs. Let Israel and Palestine sort their mess.
Call me when the Seraph with 1000 eyes start blasting lasers at people.
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He doesn't sound like much of a Zionism/Jewish enjoyer if you've read his posts, I think he leans the opposite way a bit.
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I am in the "fuck Zionism" camp. Israel could find a way to work with Palestinians, and the Arabs around them if this wacko ideology wasn't a thing, and make a good case for having a strong security/military apparatus. I'm not anti-Israel but some people (mostly Jews) equate Zionism with Judaism, and that's simply not the case for most Jews.
Also Israel is losing any humanity and moral agency it had when they lost their shit, resulting in posts like this one all over Twitter.
Its what I'm referring to when I say they'll win this battle but lose the war.
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I wrote that thread off as a lost cause once it became an ocean of people acting like 2003 era neocons calling everyone in sight animals and the same four or five people rushing to hit the autism puzzle piece and top hat buttons instead of actually replying to things, it's embarassingly biased in a way that makes /pol/ look reasonable.
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Enoch Emery is not a jewish name at all and it's a reference to the character of the same name in wise blood.
very stupid thing to say. Israel has had multiple peace treaties with arabs and is fine working with them starting from the 1979 peace treaty with egypt and continuing on till now with the Abraham accords and the upcoming Saudi normalization. They've had clandestine relations for far longer with counties like Morocco. The entire 90s and 00s were "finding a way to work with the palestinians". What about this ideology is "wacko" to you compared to the islamic fundamentalism israel is facing?
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Every day Zionist politicians and adherents are literally screaming and posting slogans lifted from the 1930s National Socialist Workers Party in Germany when referring to Palestinians; this includes Israel's PM, his cabinet and his party's members as well as their followers around the world. They threaten counties like Russia with reprisals (lmao) for simply stating killing thousands of women and babies is bad and maybe, just maybe, Israel should instead go after the entity they claim to be at war with instead of unarmed civilian non-combatants. Zionists who held foreign policy positions in the US executive branch are harassing and threatening Muslims in the United States, not the other way around. This last one is the most concerning to me because the US should not have any Zionists in our government or in positions of power since their loyalty is not to the US but to a foreign nation. It is also antithetical to our ideals as a nation whose citizens and residents have the protected right to practice their faith or express their beliefs without interference from the government, or anyone acting on its behalf to disenfranchise them/their families.
Maybe Israel wouldn't be facing any threats if the Zionists weren't such assholes, come to think about it.
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Speaking on the idea of bringing an end to killing and violence as a whole, or the greater idea of peace and cooperation being more productive hasn't received much traction, I'm afraid.
Many seem utterly infatuated with the horrors of it all (fabricated or otherwise) as though it were an old wound held open for fear of learning how to live without it. So many calls for further death or outspoken hatred (not to mention the subversion or tiresome cry-bullying) all merely kick the proverbial can further down the road and exacerbate the primary issue - violence begets violence. You don't defeat the monster by feeding it that from which it was created.
I say this as someone with at least one very dear friend out there choosing to live through these rather violent times in a very up-close and personal manner, too. I'd rather he didn't come back to his beloved dead anymore than I'd wish that upon anyone else.
Enough is enough, frens. Let us stop this nonsense.
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I am NOT Jewish and I do NOT support the Zionist entity.
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With all due respect after seeing the videos of massacred women and children and jihadis going Allah is great do you think that Palestinians will ever elect anything less than hamas? Do you think if tomorrow USA falls as an empire and Israel loses support that hordes of Muslims won't descend on Israel and kill every man woman and child plus their pets with glee while celebrating? Like for real there is a reason why you don't negotiate with terrorists . Literally every Muslim country burned , attacked anything Jewish during this war and if they could they would parade the dead corpses of jews. I don't like Israel whats doing but its far less what I would do and much more gentle than i would do if i was in that position.
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Well, its especially surreal when you realize former Israel military/admissions by the IDF itself as well evidence (in the form of survivor's statements) keeps piling up that the majority of those killed Oct 7 were actually at the hands of the IDF itself:
Israel used this narrative:
And then an Israeli survivor related this:
An Israeli pilot related this
You can listen to his account here, with English subtitles:
Palestinians thanking Allah has not much to do with it, it seems.
If you stole my ancestral house and the property it was on years ago you better believe I'd come back for it, no matter how long and whatever it takes. And I'd make sure my kids and family did likewise so no matter what my family is getting back the home and land that has been in our family for generations that was stolen.
Claiming someone else gave you the right to take what's mine because their colleagues mistreated/abused you is not grounds for stealing what belongs to me and my family. Not only did Britain and the Allies have no right to transfer Palestinian land to create the State of Israel and dispossess the Palestinians then have "hordes of Jewish" foreigners descend upon the Palestinians and kill them, they have no right, legally or morally, to force us to be a party to it.
By they way, when confronted with public support for Palestinians, people like Ben Shapiro threaten the world with the so-called Samson Option. They don't seem like anyone we should support, much less arm and give money to..