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[Yamamura]

You reminded me of something--/r/fuckcars is always talking about how the automobile makers are supposedly all-powerful, they're probably the same people who think that Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell totally worked and wasn't a violation of the laws of physics, and that he was murdered by the automakers rather than an unfortunate aneurysm suffered by a known fraud.

According to them car companies are like the Illuminati and not the various George Soros funded NGOs working against the interests of the common person.

This one's fucking great as well. Comparing a Kei-Truck (which seems like it is kitted out for labor) to a Pick-Up kitted out for Off-Roading.

I will never not be annoyed by their stupid comparison of two things that are designed for different purposes. They're like an aunt who can't tell why there's a difference between a Switch and a Steam deck because "They're both video games".

I wonder if a troll posted a Terminal Tractor on fuckcars and titled it "Why do we need baby killing semi trucks when we can use these". But those retards would unironically agree and not see the obvious problem.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Well that's one way to be 'eco friendly'. Gotta make sure you have to buy a new car every few years instead of keeping one reliable and working.

The biodegradeable wire insulation was a past issue on some otherwise great Benzes. The current issue now is the overladen tech found in Benz cars and vans. A cursory look at the current engines show the use of electric water pumps, electrically assisted AC, auxillary water pumps, hybrid drive assemblies in the flywheel, and batteries for the hybrid stuff. It's a mess now.

 

[Blamo2000]

You reminded me of something--/r/fuckcars is always talking about how the automobile makers are supposedly all-powerful, they're probably the same people who think that Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell totally worked and wasn't a violation of the laws of physics, and that he was murdered by the automakers rather than an unfortunate aneurysm suffered by a known fraud.

Good question. I would say, no.

They are the "I fucking love science" and "trust the experts" crowd. So if the powers that be debunk something, then it ain't real. But they believe that auto makers and oil companies are all powerful.

Alternative science stuff is more for of a consirabro/hippie thing.

I will admit there was a lot of meddling in how the infrastructure built, but don't tell Reddit that there are multiple ways to look at things. For example, the highway system was really handled by an auto industry insider true, but Eisenhower knew that having a ton of good roads is a National Security concern.

Rail is king when it comes to cargo, but it's very vulnerable. You damage the rails, that's it until they can be repaired. Roads are sturdy, and if they are on plains you can basically make a big crater inside and cars can still go around with some help.

Hell, even having a working auto industry is a must have for a early-mid 20th century military strategy, because car plants can make jeeps, tanks etc. If the US rolled with Reddit sensibilities you would have had the might of the US car maker turned into a war winning spam factory.

Then imagine me surprised that the State is on the side of a strategic industry, not to mention one that employed tons of people on it's peak. I mean sure you can retool the bus factory, but the car industry was so big, they could have had significant output. I know I'm sperging right know, but this is only a single angle from where things can be looked at.

TL;DR: Reddit is looking at the issue from one side, there are considerations other than just selling cars.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

Merc aren't what they used to be and some have hilarious issues like bio-degradable wiring which becomes rotten after ~10 years, no comment on Audis and Volvos always were some kind a niche at least in the UK I've never heard a bad word against them they just weren't popular. Fuck BMW for pulling the subscription service model on a car.

Audis are good cars, if expensive, but in Bongland they have a not unjustified reputation for being driven by cunts

That said modern cars from all brands aren't what they were anymore despite being loaded with tech that would be considered amazing back in 2003. It's actually really funny because I see many new Kia/Hyundais on the road that spew more than usual amounts of white smoke from the exhaust. Sniff test says it's not regular condensation, rather they're burning oil.

god almighty, are they running on two-stroke engines?

 

[Car Won't Crank]

god almighty, are they running on two-stroke engines?

No, just terrible design and/or quality issues. There's a TSB about that family of engines https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10189272-0001.pdf

 

[Midwit]

Even the gearhead at work has given in and said it's a good car.

The Prius is a good car, the issue is that the people who used ot drive them were insufferable faggots but they've all moved on to Tesla now so the Prius has become what it was supposed to be in the first place, a very economical runaround with a mildly interesting transmission.

Comparing a Kei-Truck (which seems like it is kitted out for labor) to a Pick-Up kitted out for Off-Roading.

Kei trucks are also limited to a 0.66L engine and thus can't drive at highway speeds for any length of time whilst a normal truck can do it easily because they rarely go under 2.5. They make no sense outside of incredibly dense urban environments and outside of East Asia they're mainly a novelty item because the vast majority of Western cities aren't dense enough to require such dimunitive vehicles.

 

[Susanna]

Kei trucks are also limited to a 0.66L engine and thus can't drive at highway speeds for any length of time whilst a normal truck can do it easily because they rarely go under 2.5. They make no sense outside of incredibly dense urban environments and outside of East Asia they're mainly a novelty item because the vast majority of Western cities aren't dense enough to require such dimunitive vehicles.

They are ridiculously cute though. Like I would unironically buy this if it were available here.

Yeah it's going to be super cramped and impractical, but look how smol it is! I would drive it into the woods, sleep poorly for a night, and then drive back home. Then in a couple weeks I would forget how miserable the experience was, and do it all over again.

 

[quaawaa]

They are ridiculously cute though. Like I would unironically buy this if it were available here.
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Yeah it's going to be super cramped and impractical, but look how smol it is! I would drive it into the woods, sleep poorly for a night, and then drive back home. Then in a couple weeks I would forget how miserable the experience was, and do it all over again.

This one, by the same manufacturer, is cuter:

Source (Archive)
It looks like a mini version of an old school American RV.

Yours is called the MiniPopBee Active Gear Package (Archive).

They also make a camper for a regular pickup truck (Archive) and they're really proud of it being authentically "American":

Spoiler: Full Size Pictures

The interior of the camper shell has an American taste.
キャンパーシェルの内装はアメリカンテイスト

When you enter the shell, you will be overwhelmed by the wide entrance.
シェルに入ると圧倒されるほど広いエントランス。

Spoiler: Japanese Text

 

[Susanna]

This one, by the same manufacturer, is cuter:
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Source (Archive)
It looks like a mini version of an old school American RV.

Yours is called the MiniPopBee Active Gear Package (Archive).

They also make a camper for a regular pickup truck (Archive) and they're really proud of it being authentically "American":
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Spoiler: Full Size Pictures

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The interior of the camper shell has an American taste.
キャンパーシェルの内装はアメリカンテイスト
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When you enter the shell, you will be overwhelmed by the wide entrance.
シェルに入ると圧倒されるほど広いエントランス。

Spoiler: Japanese Text

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That's not actually cute though. I definitely prefer the MiniPopBee Active Gear Package.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Rail is king when it comes to cargo, but it's very vulnerable. You damage the rails, that's it until they can be repaired. Roads are sturdy, and if they are on plains you can basically make a big crater inside and cars can still go around with some help.

In addition to not having a land war in a very long time, I believe there's still enough redundancy that if a portion is significantly damaged they can reroute (after all, rails are also affected by washouts).

 

[Yamamura]

Eisenhower knew that having a ton of good roads is a National Security concern.

Rail is king when it comes to cargo, but it's very vulnerable. You damage the rails, that's it until they can be repaired. Roads are sturdy, and if they are on plains you can basically make a big crater inside and cars can still go around with some help.

The history of the interstate system is actually pretty interesting. While Eisenhower was a military officer he was tasked with traveling across the US to observe road conditions to see if it was viable to use vehicles for transporting military personnel and equipment. From this they found that large parts of the US were greatly inadequate and difficult to traverse because of rough terrain, and lack of standardization. After WW2 Eisenhower saw the effectiveness of the German Autobahn and how they could use it to transport supplies with better speed and efficiency. Which led to him passing the Federal Aid Highway Act. This development not only improved defense during national emergencies, but also benefited many small rural communities economically which helped them grow because they could now use this system to easily travel from coast to coast.

I think one of the reasons I dislike the people on fuckcars so much is because they have no reverence for the work people before them did in order to give them the standard of living they enjoy today. They think the reason their quality of life is great is because of themselves. The interstate system is one of the greatest projects in American history which has helped millions of people get around for work or leisure. Everything we consume has at some point been transported using the interstate system.

I know I'm sperging right know, but this is only a single angle from where things can be looked at.

Sometimes I enjoy these history/information lessons, they're fun and provide some insight into what we discuss on here.

 

[Jarolleon]

They are ridiculously cute though. Like I would unironically buy this if it were available here.
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Yeah it's going to be super cramped and impractical, but look how smol it is! I would drive it into the woods, sleep poorly for a night, and then drive back home. Then in a couple weeks I would forget how miserable the experience was, and do it all over again.

So it's the Jap version of the Smart Fortwo? Terrible acceleration, engine so cramped that you need to methodically disassemble it to fix anything important, but cute as a button and the diesel version got 55 miles per gallon.

 

[DavidS877]

"Tree Rant"

No, the reason we have fruitless trees is because no one wants to clean up the mess that a bunch of fruiting trees would produce. I had one orange tree and that was already a pain to keep up with. Even better if it was something like olives that makes the sidewalk slick and dangerous to walk on. On the other hand... olive trees over all the bike lanes and sidewalks!

 

[Susanna]

No, the reason we have fruitless trees is because no one wants to clean up the mess that a bunch of fruiting trees would produce. I had one orange tree and that was already a pain to keep up with. Even better if it was something like olives that makes the sidewalk slick and dangerous to walk on. On the other hand... olive trees over all the bike lanes and sidewalks!

But that wouldn't happen because people would just eat the fruit from the trees!

 

[BulkForceFive]

The tree sperg is entirely correct, though... I specifically planted Hilterosa longarium on my property because the pungent vapors it emits keeps those Jewish kids off my lawn.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

No, the reason we have fruitless trees is because no one wants to clean up the mess that a bunch of fruiting trees would produce. I had one orange tree and that was already a pain to keep up with. Even better if it was something like olives that makes the sidewalk slick and dangerous to walk on. On the other hand... olive trees over all the bike lanes and sidewalks!

Fruit trees are going to be a massive problem. I know almost nothing about trees and can see of several major problems:

- Birds (common in any urban areas) and other vermin start eating at fruits as soon before they ripen. So it's going to start looking ugly.
- Fruit trees start to strain branches, and can eventually cause limbs to break if it's not pruned back.
- Fruit trees have to be treated for pests and fungus, the city isn't going to care about organic measures, and spraying at the wrong time could render fruits inedible, even if temporarily
- The city could be held liable if anyone got sick from eating it for whatever reason
- If the tree was at all viable, thieves would pilfer every last fruit anyway

They finally got it! And that's not just why americans like cars. Europeans enjoy them for that reason as well!
Also makes me think of how no-one has an issue when they have to interact with asians. It's almost as if it was less about the color a certain group than their god damned actions.

They're always quick to the "racism" card but when it comes to societal trust, it's always "cars are the problem" and not 20 years of bad policy and shitty court decisions. The rise in crime in the last few years is acknowledged by transit officials but outright denied by /r/fuckcars. DART (Dallas) is down, New York City is down (source), and others are too.

(source).

They can't admit that crime is a reason why people are avoiding transit in droves, and even if they deflect with "more people are WFH", then that would only justify not investing in transit. None of this makes any sense from a transit-defending perspective, until you realize the types of people that urbanists are aligned with, and it all makes sense. Crime on the daily commute isn't a bug, it's a feature.

 

[Thiletonomics]

I would say even VW is considered "upscale" to many people in the US, even if their pricing is comparable to their American and Japanese rivals.
Toyota is considered an average, mid-tier brand that has a good reputation. The poverty tier brands here would probably be Kia/Hyundai, Mitsubishi or the like.

Nissan is also considered to be a poverty-tier brand. There's a reason why Altima and Rogue drivers are stereotyped as being reckless drivers.

THANKS CARLOS GHOSN!

 

[Blamo2000]

I think one of the reasons I dislike the people on fuckcars so much is because they have no reverence for the work people before them did in order to give them the standard of living they enjoy today. They think the reason their quality of life is great is because of themselves. The interstate system is one of the greatest projects in American history which has helped millions of people get around for work or leisure. Everything we consume has at some point been transported using the interstate system.

They just think anybody who is not subscribing to their ideas are simply stupid and malicious.

As for respecting the past, these people hate the past. It was racist, sexist etc. I may be generalizing but these Reddit progressives usually come in a single package.

In addition to not having a land war in a very long time, I believe there's still enough redundancy that if a portion is significantly damaged they can reroute (after all, rails are also affected by washouts).

Roads and cars are godsent for rural communities, but alas they hate rural people because they are not as enlightened as the city folk.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

They're always quick to the "racism" card but when it comes to societal trust, it's always "cars are the problem" and not 20 years of bad policy and shitty court decisions. The rise in crime in the last few years is acknowledged by transit officials but outright denied by /r/fuckcars. DART (Dallas) is down, New York City is down (source), and others are too.

I'm giving DART the benefit of the doubt until 2023 numbers are out. If 2023 is significantly up from 2022, it was purely a lockdown thing and it recovered because the poor people who use the buss stopped getting federal unemployment gibs and had to go back to work.

 

[WelperHelper99]

According to them car companies are like the Illuminati and not the various George Soros funded NGOs working against the interests of the common person.


I will never not be annoyed by their stupid comparison of two things that are designed for different purposes. They're like an aunt who can't tell why there's a difference between a Switch and a Steam deck because "They're both video games".

I wonder if a troll posted a Terminal Tractor on fuckcars and titled it "Why do we need baby killing semi trucks when we can use these". But those retards would unironically agree and not see the obvious problem.
View attachment 5525879

A terminal tractor pulls like hell but moves slow. Retards

will admit there was a lot of meddling in how the infrastructure built, but don't tell Reddit that there are multiple ways to look at things. For example, the highway system was really handled by an auto industry insider true, but Eisenhower knew that having a ton of good roads is a National Security concern.

Rail is king when it comes to cargo, but it's very vulnerable. You damage the rails, that's it until they can be repaired. Roads are sturdy, and if they are on plains you can basically make a big crater inside and cars can still go around with some help.

Hell, even having a working auto industry is a must have for a early-mid 20th century military strategy, because car plants can make jeeps, tanks etc. If the US rolled with Reddit sensibilities you would have had the might of the US car maker turned into a war winning spam factory.

Then imagine me surprised that the State is on the side of a strategic industry, not to mention one that employed tons of people on it's peak. I mean sure you can retool the bus factory, but the car industry was so big, they could have had significant output. I know I'm sperging right know, but this is only a single angle from where things can be looked at.

TL;DR: Reddit is looking at the issue from one side, there are considerations other than just selling cars.

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history of the interstate system is actually pretty interesting. While Eisenhower was a military officer he was tasked with traveling across the US to observe road conditions to see if it was viable to use vehicles for transporting military personnel and equipment. From this they found that large parts of the US were greatly inadequate and difficult to traverse because of rough terrain, and lack of standardization. After WW2 Eisenhower saw the effectiveness of the German Autobahn and how they could use it to transport supplies with better speed and efficiency. Which led to him passing the Federal Aid Highway Act. This development not only improved defense during national emergencies, but also benefited many small rural communities economically which helped them grow because they could now use this system to easily travel from coast to coast.

I think one of the reasons I dislike the people on fuckcars so much is because they have no reverence for the work people before them did in order to give them the standard of living they enjoy today. They think the reason their quality of life is great is because of themselves. The interstate system is one of the greatest projects in American history which has helped millions of people get around for work or leisure. Everything we consume has at some point been transported using the interstate system.

When it came to highways and rail, they needed to do a couple things in the modern age
1. Have high enough bridges to transport nuclear missiles and roads tough enough to handle it
2. Be able to turn a highway into a airstrip, because jets took a way longer strip to take off, and needed a smooth clean surface to do so
3. Massively improve logistics and not solely rely on rail.
4. For rail, rapid deployment of ICBM's, always moving them around in disguised rail cars and confusing the fuck out of the soviets.

They are ridiculously cute though. Like I would unironically buy this if it were available here.
View attachment 5526041
Yeah it's going to be super cramped and impractical, but look how smol it is! I would drive it into the woods, sleep poorly for a night, and then drive back home. Then in a couple weeks I would forget how miserable the experience was, and do it all over again.

Oh no denial a Kei truck is adorable. It is. It just isn't built for America outside of cities.