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I think one of the reasons I dislike the people on fuckcars so much is because they have no reverence for the work people before them did in order to give them the standard of living they enjoy today. They think the reason their quality of life is great is because of themselves.

One of the things that urbanists think is that paved roads existed only because of bicycles, hence they're mad that cars "stole" that from them. Besides the whole horse issue (horses kick up a LOT of dust, not to mention rain makes dirt roads a problem), the number of cyclists even back then was irrelevant to justify the widespread paving of roads.
 
Based AI likes cars:
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Nissan is also considered to be a poverty-tier brand. There's a reason why Altima and Rogue drivers are stereotyped as being reckless drivers.

THANKS CARLOS GHOSN!
In addition to the CVT debacle, Nissan will (or at least, used to) hand out car loans to anyone with a pulse and enough hand-eye coordination to sign X on the form. The Altima is to broke white women what the Dodge Charger is to 'lunchtime rowdies'.

Kei-trucks aren't nearly as great as people that don't drive them think they are, but it's kinda moot anyways as there IS a North American version of them, the UTV side-by-side, which sell very well to both private individuals and businesses. The reason they don't sell better is that in many places you cannot license them for road use (just like kei trucks again) due to vehicle safety laws backed by the same bugmen that whine about oversized vehicles.
 
Kei-trucks aren't nearly as great as people that don't drive them think they are, but it's kinda moot anyways as there IS a North American version of them, the UTV side-by-side, which sell very well to both private individuals and businesses. The reason they don't sell better is that in many places you cannot license them for road use (just like kei trucks again) due to vehicle safety laws backed by the same bugmen that whine about oversized vehicles.
They also have the "JDM" aura of exoticness around them still because Americans don't usually see them, similar to Cressidas and Skylines. Take away the mysticism and they really aren't thst special. I would argue one of the benefits of a side by side is they don't need to be 25 years old at least.
 
Even the AI understands you can't haul everything into a city via rail
and even if you could, it'd still have to make the last step to its final destination by road - even if they're near railways, how many supermarkets, warehouses and factories have their own goods yards? (apart, that is, from enormous sites like Port Talbot Steelworks)
One of the things that urbanists think is that paved roads existed only because of bicycles, hence they're mad that cars "stole" that from them. Besides the whole horse issue (horses kick up a LOT of dust, not to mention rain makes dirt roads a problem), the number of cyclists even back then was irrelevant to justify the widespread paving of roads.
pretty sure the Romans never had bicycles of any kind, and they were largely non-existent in the coaching era (16th-early 19th century) too
 
and even if you could, it'd still have to make the last step to its final destination by road - even if they're near railways, how many supermarkets, warehouses and factories have their own goods yards? (apart, that is, from enormous sites like Port Talbot Steelworks)
Some factories have their own rail spurs, but a relatively small amount. I may have brought up the example of a rice mill before...the bulk rice is collected from the Arkansas/Louisiana farms and sent to Houston via rail, but the processed rice (bags of supermarket-ready rice, or rice destined for further processing) goes out via trucks.

With all the autism running through urbanism, I'm surprised they haven't proposed some overly-complicated underground pipe-and-belt system to move goods around.
 
Some factories have their own rail spurs, but a relatively small amount. I may have brought up the example of a rice mill before...the bulk rice is collected from the Arkansas/Louisiana farms and sent to Houston via rail, but the processed rice (bags of supermarket-ready rice, or rice destined for further processing) goes out via trucks.

With all the autism running through urbanism, I'm surprised they haven't proposed some overly-complicated underground pipe-and-belt system to move goods around.
That's how I play Cities Skylines. Everything is road-based, but each neighbourhood only connects to an underground highway network. Works great. Would that real life was that simple.
 
how many supermarkets, warehouses and factories have their own goods yards?
If they think parking lots take up a lot of space, wait until they see how much space a rail yard takes up.

Also, most businesses don't need an entire train's worth of stuff and it would be an enormous waste of energy to stop a train to unload a single rail car or to have locomotives pulling around individual railcars. That's just a worse truck.
 
If they think parking lots take up a lot of space, wait until they see how much space a rail yard takes up
That was sort of in the back of my head when they were talking about extra parking space only being needed during special events like black Friday but defending when a train wasn't always full loaded. The urbanist argued that "multiple train always takes up the same amount of space".

That's logically impossible because the train doesn't exist in negative space. It has to go somewhere even when it's not being used. Which takes up... Space! Rules for thee but not for me I suppose.
 
This troll was pretty funny, especially because OP fell for the bait:
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Weirdly enough this feels like an actual response a fuckcars member would reply with. I was thinking about what if you asked "how should I store my guns and equipment for hunting/fishing trips" and the response I imagine them replying with is basically that you shouldn't do those things in the first place.

What's funny is it took them until this example to finally throw in the towel and admit you can't move this thing effectively without a car. But funnier is in their world where the limited amount of people who are allowed to be driving are musicians and artists who need to carry things. They didn't consider how is a starving artist going to afford a car? If in this world cars are such a niche and rare thing it's not like a starving musician can just afford a used beater van, because of the low supply of cars sold. If you limit the amount of cars on the road they become more expensive.

The other thing is theft. It doesn't take much for a fent-head to see an instrument case and go "ooh expensive shit" and wait beside the bike lane to bash you over the head with a pipe and jack your shit to sell while you're on the ground to buy more fent.

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Oh yeah on what fucking roads you jackass? THERE ARE NO ROADS SINCE YOU SAID IT'S CAR FREE YOU FUCKING TOOL!
 
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With all the autism running through urbanism, I'm surprised they haven't proposed some overly-complicated underground pipe-and-belt system to move goods around.
That used to be a thing back when mailing letters was common:
The pneumatic tube mail was a postal system operating in New York City from 1897 to 1953 using pneumatic tubes. Similar systems had arisen in the mid-19th century in London, via the London Pneumatic Despatch Company; in Manchester and other British cities; and in Paris via the Paris pneumatic post.
By 1907 contracts were issued in five other cities (Boston, Brooklyn, Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis)
It was made obsolete by the car:
Government studies later argued the mail could be handled at less cost and more expeditiously by other means. The growing volume of mail, limited system capacities, and the advent of the automobile made the tubes "practically obsolete," and actually hindered the efficient operation of the postal service.
The service was suspended during World War I to conserve funding for the war effort. The annual rental payment of $17,000 per mile was considered exorbitant, particularly when compared to the cost of delivery by automobile.
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Some places also have pneumatic waste collection systems which eliminate the need for garbage trucks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_vacuum_collection (Archive)
The downsides are that they're very expensive and that it can be difficult to clear blockages in them.

Chicago also had an underground freight railroad network underneath the multi-level streets of the Loop:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tunnel_Company (Archive)
The London Post Office loved the Chicago system and built their own (much smaller) system (Munich and Zürich also built similar systems):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Post_Office_Railway (Archive)
But just like the pneumatic tubes, it was made obsolete by the car:
Royal Mail had earlier stated that using the railway was five times more expensive than using road transport for the same task.
 
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Oh yeah on what fucking roads you jackass? THERE ARE NO ROADS SINCE YOU SAID IT'S CAR FREE YOU FUCKING TOOL!
I've always wondered how ambulances and firetrucks would get around in their car free utopia. They can't exactly say they'll make them take the long way around the city, but even if they do there needs to be a road to the buildings somehow.
 
I've always wondered how ambulances and firetrucks would get around in their car free utopia. They can't exactly say they'll make them take the long way around the city, but even if they do there needs to be a road to the buildings somehow.
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Ambulances would be a real issue, but don't yank cities have those red firehose outlets? "Motorcycle firefighters" could work as long as nobody ever needs a ladder.
 
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