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[Johnny Salami]

As far as I personally see and understand the Stolen Valor is a mostly american thing. Some countries have direct laws against it. Some treat it as fraud. And in some countries being caught doing that might bring you the health problems, streaming from people ambushing and beating you.
Honestly I'm surprised USA doesn't simply treat it as fraud. The very definition of fraud is to lie to get something.

The original stolen Valor act by Bush did just that but it's against the first, so it was redesigned to be about financial gain. You saying you were an underwater scout sniper is legal, saying you were a special ops and are raising money for a charity is illegal.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

I ran in to a bit of the opposite the other day...in my country everyone healthy serves, works for free for the government for a year, or does a few months jailtime. Serving in the military is just the first step on the ladder to normiedom i you are a male and army talk dries up pussies really fast.
I caught an acquaintance lying to a girl about being a conscientious objector, story complete, including what great quote he told the judge and how he had a good time in jail. But i know he served with a buddy of mine.
I won't out him here, because the chic he was lying to was kinda hot for a hippie/communist.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

I ran in to a bit of the opposite the other day...in my country everyone healthy serves, works for free for the government for a year, or does a few months jailtime. Serving in the military is just the first step on the ladder to normiedom i you are a male and army talk dries up pussies really fast.
I caught an acquaintance lying to a girl about being a conscientious objector, story complete, including what great quote he told the judge and how he had a good time in jail. But i know he served with a buddy of mine.
I won't out him here, because the chic he was lying to was kinda hot for a hippie/communist.

Your boy did nothing wrong.

 

[Dick Pooman]

The big one that a lot of people, including Don Shipley (who already exposed Mark years ago), have been on about lately is a guy named Mark Niemczyk who is not only a huge Navy SEAL stolen valor phony but also claimed to be at the World Trade Center on 9/11 when he was not. After 9/11 he scammed over $100,000 from soliciting donations for 9/11 victims and was sentenced to a year in jail. He's recently popped up again in Las Vegas and is out on the Las Vegas Strip doing the same kind of donation scamming.

Link to story about his 9/11 Scam

TRENTON – Acting Attorney General John J. Hoffman announced that two New Jersey men pleaded guilty to theft charges today for operating a fraudulent 9/11 charity using a pickup truck painted with the Twin Towers and the names of police and firefighters who died at Ground Zero. They collected thousands of dollars by selling T-shirts and soliciting donations at 9/11 events, but never gave any of the proceeds to the victims’ families or to 9/11 charities as promised.

 

[Justtocheck]

A really good example that maybe deserves a spot in the OP is Jonathan "Jack" Idema. His whole charade is pretty wild. Reminds me of Jace Connors but real.

Jack Idema is actually on the links of the other thread. I'd rather his story be there because, even if he was a bad one, he was a Green Beret. And he didn't just pretend to be a badass, he actually went and tortured afghans with a paramilitary squad and was in contact with ISAF and had his own detention house. Weird as fuck. Also was gay, a tranny fucker and gave HIV to his wife.

@Dick Pooman Added Mark to the list. Thank you!

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Didn't Shaner (a "foamer" lolcow) use the term "stolen valor" for some reason?

 

[TATE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE!!]

people who 'served' in some non-combat role and then act like that puts them on the same level as a combat veteran.

I remember some """game developer""c dork on Twitter during gaymergayte trying to act like he was some harden combat vet but in reality was a paper bitch. Rising Star games? Remember him being pretty vocal a lot about his sacrifices until someone found out what he really did in the marines.

One thing normies don't realize is a lot of the jobs in the military are not combat roles. A good chunk of it is administrative or working as a mechanic or support.

For instance, some Private Pyle looking rent a cop at a local grocery store I shop at really played up his role as a boots on ground combat vet when he was really just a yoeman (a dishonorably discharged yoeman too lol).

 

[crab fucker]

@Justtocheck wanted to say thanks and that you're knocking it out of the park with these military threads, I think anyway. Me and a couple of friends had very unexplosive and normal military careers and it always makes us laugh when we see stolen valor, or hear stories about psychopathic behavior in spec ops. I've sent my friends a couple funny caps from these threads.

I think you can still trip up most stolen valor fags with the old mos question, but some of them seem to construct entire narratives in their heads and make up a whole history that COULD be possible but probably isn't. Shipley is a bit of a cringey boomer, but when these guys make up this whole fake history that is based off of actual military terms and stuff like that he's probably one of the few people that can actually nail them for it.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Don Shipleys a hoot my favorite of his is his most popular video of the biker pavement ape in new orleans (look me up dawg......look me up *seething* you better look me up first yo) which turned out he was in the navy and got kicked out two years into his service. Now this begs the question and the guy clearly didn't think it out when he got that trident tatoo and that's this 1. we have a pretty good idea about how many seals go through training every class 2. probably not a lot were black 3. probably even fewer were black when this guy claimed he was joined which takes us to 4. it would be pretty fucking easy to check his claim just by sorting out how many black seals there were in say a five year timespan from the date of his class.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

One thing normies don't realize is a lot of the jobs in the military are not combat roles. A good chunk of it is administrative or working as a mechanic or support.

This is accurate, but there alot of adjacent non-combat MOSs (jobs in the military for the non military types reading this) that you are almost certain to see combat anyway. I knew several guardsmen who were 'only' truck drivers but regularly were in combat when their convoys were shot at, and they had to get out and shoot back. So it's not always so cut and dry.

 

[DEAD BIRD]

Extremely interesting thread. While not necessarily a topic most would care for I definitely think this kind of thing could have a lot of discussion.
Definitely taught me a lot more, and introduced me to Mr Shipley which seems like gold to me in terms of funny factor.
Nice stuff.

I'd like to try to contribute a little, forever ago I saw this video:
This video. This is of a guy named John Boulden. This specific upload is a reupload, but I saw it a year or two prior.
Got me looking into this guy, and he turned out to an insane, US Airforce veteran. While yes, it seems he *did* serve. He lied about a lot of stuff.
There is, to my surprise, a thread about the guy on the KiwiFarms
Unfortunately, since some point a year or two ago he had DFE'd and became inactive nearly everywhere, he's popped back up on his Twitter once or twice, but seemingly wisened up. Due to this DFE factor and most of the channels dedicated to archiving him also DFE'ing, I have no clips to back up stuff, but I remember this dude vividly talking about how he'd see the faces of people he'd bomb and kill with cameras that were in the actual bombs, and were so high quality he could make out their expressions before he killed them. (clarification, this would've been immediate post 9-11 Afghanistan based on his claims of when he joined.)

He'd claim he killed a young, teenage Iraqi boy (in Afghanistan...) and was haunted by "his brains being splattered all over the walls."

In the last few streams before he DFE'd, he would talk about knowing secrets about Pres. Joe Biden before he was ever acting President. He was basically your "I'm a super classified marine seal team 69 sniper with over 732 confirmed kills" type of guy.
Oh yeah, he'd also do drugs on stream as seen in the other thread, and would even seemingly sell drugs on stream. While on probation.

Again, this is all just my word because this guy nuked his shit and all the archives of him were also nuked, by the people running them. But, if you ask this guy about his service he'll be sure to tell you that he built nukes and shit, when in all reality... He literally just swept up the base and supplied ammo to the actual dudes out there lighting up and getting lit up by the towel-heads.

 

[Fascist Frederick]

I worked with a guy who said he was in the military, I don't remember which branch he said, but he was stationed in Japan and was kidnapped by the Yakuza because he stole the wrong guy's girl. They tied him to a chair and had a sack over his head, and he kept telling them that they better let him go or there would be trouble. They didn't listen and he waited there until he heard silenced weapon fire from his team that was there to extract him. It took all of my strength to not laugh during the story. I was somehow able to hold it together until I got far enough away for him to not hear me.

 

[Monika H.]

He was trying to Stolen Valor a Call of Duty campaign.

It's not stolen valor if you served with the boys back in 2009 on your PS3/Xbox360.

 

[BigO-in-Ohio]

I totally agree. I'll put WIP and try to add as many as I can. I'd love the help from all of you to get the cream of the cows and not just mediocre ones.

I enjoyed it. I get kinda annoyed sometimes when these dorks try to act all hardcore and Shipley was funny. Hot chicks alone are worth watching and demonstrate his point.
Embellished: “I was stationed in a combat zone.” True but only because of an anomaly and I never had to fire a shot outside of the firing range. That’s not stolen valor

Does stolen valor include foreigners who served in other country's militaries, then try to get benefits here, either in person or digitally, and then cry, "but we're allies!" ?

I would think so, but the more serious offense there would be defrauding the government. They could be guests of a federal facility for 5-20 years for that.

Stating the obvious, I think Kyle had serious mental issues as a result of his service. Without knowing the details of his wilder claims, I think it's entirely possible he genuinely believed his stories actually happened; that is, he fantasized these things and they became memories in a kind of garbled act of internal translation. Or I'd like to think so. I deeply respect Kyle's very real, provable accomplishments.

I can't really go into Service-related topics on this forum because it's too revealing, but deeply appreciate a Stolen Valor thread. These phony, craven bastards really should be exposed. There's nothing lower.

I did see the movie and thought it was kind of twisted. For example, Kyle was a good old boy and loved by his comrades. In reality ordinary soldiers find snipers kind of creepy, however necessary they are. Didn’t Kyle get killed by another even more whacked out veteran? Or was that a Hollywood fabrication?

I assume anyone who talks about their time in the military without prompting is at best a faggot who never saw action or at worst stealing valor.

Yeah me too. I don’t really talk about it unless asked. But I’m an old fuck and my army service was pretty ordinary. I am reliably told that my late uncle who was a major in the army and was awarded a bronze star, never wanted to talk war stories. But he did tell me a funny story about being at the Austrian border during the post war occupation, and an encounter with a Soviet officer. Since it’s OT I will save this one.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

-Stolen Valor in the Military

The act of stolen valor is not limited to civilians, but it can be found within the military itself. There have been instances where soldiers claim to have been part of actions they were not part of or to have earned medals they did not receive and wear them on their uniforms, often for personal gain or prestige. We are talking about serious lying about one's military record, or embellishing an otherwise unimpressive military career into something much more heroic and admirable.

This undermines the integrity of those who truly served and sacrificed themselves for their country. Chris Kyle probably being the most famous example of stolen valor in the military, by writing copious amount of lies about his service and awards (like extra silver and bronze stars) in his book "American Sniper"

Not knocking the thread, but just going to point out how this shit should be taken with a massive grain of salt. Don Shipley himself had jumped all over people who'd criticized and questioned Chris Kyle like Jesse Ventura. Granted he was honest about most things and didn't join the crowd trying to say Ventura was a fake SEAL out of some bizarre patriotic rage, but still. The US is by far the WORST military propagandist country in modern history.

I'll just say this, a lot, if not most of the "real" soldiers wearing medals right now and strutting around with them in front of cameras, didn't really do much to earn those medals, but will almost certainly tell you some wild tale about them if you inquire. When I was in, officers by default got bronze stars even if absolutely nothing happened during their deployments.

 

[BigO-in-Ohio]

Then there’s lolcows like Malcolm Nancypants who is my age but who wanted to LARP in Ukraine for a few months.

 

[CryoRevival #SJ-112]

Is there overlap between the kind of men who covet the cultural adulation afforded to veterans, and those who covet the adulation afforded to women?

 

[Abowaffen]

dishonorably discharged yoeman

Lmao, what the fuck?

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Does it count as stolen valor if I cheated in MW2 in 2010 to get max ranks and full prestige levels instantly?

 

[Justtocheck]

Is there overlap between the kind of men who covet the cultural adulation afforded to veterans, and those who covet the adulation afforded to women?

It's an interested thought. One thing I noticed is that those types of men want to have the "adulation" part, but not "problems" with the new identity. A fake vet didn't risk his life and had to live with the injuries and pain that usually comes from service. A fake "woman" doesn't understand or empathize with things like worrying if a man you meet can be a sick stalker murderer, and being careful about hanging out in dark places at night where the serial rapists hang out.

@Fatniggo1488 Do you have some vids about Don when he does that for the OP? You've got a point about Don, he's a teams guy at the end of the day and so is his son, DJ, so while I expect him to be honest in most things, he will be biased or actively covering up stuff. So I should put that as a warning.