Opinion The insidious rise of "tradwives": A right-wing fantasy is rotting young men's minds

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The insidious rise of "tradwives": A right-wing fantasy is rotting young men's minds​

If the average American were asked what they imagine the priorities of the feminist movement are these days, most people would likely cite concerns like "fighting abortion bans" or "getting justice for sexual violence victims" or boring mainstays like "equal pay for equal work." But if you listen in to the world of right-wing social media influencers, they have a different answer. To them, feminists are single-mindedly obsessed with destroying women who identify as "tradwives."

"Trad Wives Are Triggering Feminists," according to the YouTube channel for Daily Wire contributor Brett Cooper, who has 3.75 million subscribers.

"Angry Feminist Compares Tradwives to Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists," screams the headline from the YouTube channel for Michael Knowles, a far-right troll with 1.75 million subscribers.

"This Video Is Triggering All The Feminists," declares the headline of a video defense of tradwives from right-wing grifter Amala Ekpunobi, who has 1.7 million subscribers.

"Tradwife" is internet slang for "traditional wife." It's largely a social media trend of conventionally attractive white women putting out TikToks and videos gushing about the joys of submissive marriage and "modesty," though notably this "modest" clothing often leaves little to the imagination.

It's a neat marketing trick from tradwives to position themselves as a dangerous threat that feminists are desperate to take out. It helps sell the central, lucrative fantasy to credulous audiences: That female submission is a woman's natural desire, one that's being stolen from them by sinister feminist forces. And that you, male viewer, would be gifted with a compliant helpmeet of your very own, if not for those dastardly feminists. But these brave women of YouTube, with their picture-perfect make-up and slender-but-curvy physiques, will stand up to those bitches and restore your birthright: A smoking hot 22-year-old housewife who never talks back, never gets tired, never says "no," and never gains weight, no matter how many children she has.

By feeding conservative audiences a largely imaginary war with feminists, the tradwives are also pulling off another sleight of hand: distracting from how their content preys upon men, especially young men, by selling them a silly fantasy as reality. In the process, they're contributing to the male loneliness epidemic, by discouraging young men from developing the skills and mindset they need to get a real girlfriend, instead of just subsisting on a steady stream of social media delusions.

There's been much debate over whether or not porn, especially the ubiquitous online porn of our modern era, is damaging to young men. What this discussion tends to overlook is that there's a huge swath of online material about sex and relationships that presents over-the-top sexist fantasy disguised as reality. Tradwife content is some of the most pernicious. Unlike porn, which positions itself as fantasy, most of the women creating "tradwife" content online claim it's a window into their real lives. Even though, if you ask any real housewives, you'll find few find it necessary to put on a full face of make-up, get a professional blow-out, and don a push-up bra in order to wash dishes.

No doubt, there's been a robust feminist response to the proliferation of tradwife content online. Most criticisms, however, start with the assumption that the audience for this content is primarily, if not exclusively, female. In some cases, especially with feeds that feature actual housework and cooking tips, that might be true. But many of the videos marketed as "tradwife" have a strong whiff of the male gaze to them. Some shamelessly serve cheesecake, even while pretending at "modesty."

Others, like "Classically Abby" by Ben Shapiro's tradwife sister, Abigail Roth, adopt a smug "debate me bro" tone. It cuts against their claims to demure femininity, but definitely appeals to men who are eager to hear a woman ramble on about how feminism is bad.

Whatever the demographic makeup of their audiences, the concept of the "tradwife" is damaging to men's psyches. We've heard so much in the media about the "male loneliness epidemic." Much of the focus, thankfully, has been on how toxic masculinity gets in the way of men cultivating platonic friendships with people of any gender. But there's no doubt that part of what is fueling this anxiety is the way many young men seem to be failing at dating. Especially with conservative commentators, porn and video games take the brunt of the blame, along with feminism. Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., for instance, has been out there complaining about "more and more men are withdrawing into the enclave of idleness and pornography and video games."

Hawley offers conservative politics as a solution to male malaise, but in truth, the last thing a young man who is adrift needs is right-wing content. These materials, especially the tradwife videos, teach young men to expect young women to be placid vessels, who exist only to be pretty and to serve. For instance, one video by popular vlogger "Mrs. Midwest" is titled "10 Way to Bless Your MAN!" and has chapters like "Cooking!", "Compliments!" and "Anticipate needs!" The comments on the video suggest that the viewers are unaware that this is not for real, and that flesh-and-blood women are not, in fact, perfectly coiffed sex-robots here to read your mind and fluff your pillows. Young men who mistake this fantasy for reality are going to have a tough time on the dating market. Inevitably, many get angry and disillusioned upon finding out that most women aren't interested in the thankless role of an unpaid maid and sex worker. Unfortunately, when that happens, there's even more right-wing propaganda aimed at them, which blames their frustrations on feminism. An entire industry of right-wing grifters, from Ben Shapiro to Jordan Peterson to Andrew Tate, are making a mint by exploiting young men who are desperate to hear that the problem isn't that they're sexist, it's that women don't like sexism.

None of which does anything to actually help men. If anything, shotgunning noxious right-wing propaganda causes women to swipe left with haste, something men on conservative forums often complain about. Instead, men would be better served if they had a more realistic view of dating and relationships. Despite what tradwives would have you believe, women have never been happy being treated as second class citizens. What changed wasn't women's brains, but their options. Women, being humans like men, value their independence and their freedom. Once they were allowed to have both, they grabbed their rights and rarely looked back. Learning to like and respect women as they actually are doesn't just make dating easier. It also opens up the possibility of a real relationship with someone who is fun to hang out with, who has stuff in her life to talk about other than washing your underwear.

The tradwives claiming otherwise on social media are playing a shell game. They sneer at feminists for working, but creating online content is work, and often quite lucrative for those who snag huge fanbases. They deride feminists for having ambition, but of course, building an audience in the competitive world of online influencers requires a striver. They want to sell themselves as humble, but the whole "tradwife" genre is built on being aggressively opinionated — and reaping major rewards, both in terms of attention and money. Most "tradwives" online are far more #GirlBoss than even the most outspoken feminist. Their viewers are just too gullible to know what they're consuming is a toxic fantasy.
 
Oh yes lesbians beating each other's faces in is all the result of men
Have you actually read the study used to support the claim lesbians have a higher rate of domestic violence? It specifically notes most of the respondants were talking about violence in previous heterosexual relationships.
wowee, i wonder what happened here
It's not just black women, it's across the board. That's why crisis lines use pregnancy as part of their risk accessment. The link between pregnancy and being murdered by a domestic partner is that high.
 
A man having the final say in everything that goes on can help foster an abusive relationship
A lot of things can help foster an abusive relationship. It's like saying if I do favors occasionally for my woman, she'll walk all over me. It's a possibility but not a guarantee.
As for the domestic violence debate
These type of things are reciprocal. Pointing fingers is retarded and infantilizes everyone involved. If you're in an abusive relationship, get out or you deserve everything you get. I don't care what's between your legs.
Have you actually read the study used to support the claim lesbians have a higher rate of domestic violence? It specifically notes most of the respondants were talking about violence in previous heterosexual relationships.
...this is not the retort you think it is
It's not just black women, it's across the board. That's why crisis lines use pregnancy as part of their risk accessment. The link between pregnancy and being murdered by a domestic partner is that high.
Yet it's specified. Do you have any other studies like it?
 
After stalking tradwife shit over on /snow/, it's just golddiggers and really sneaky women trying to trick "Proud alpha male" cucks into relationships where they control everything. It's so surreal when you dive into it. On the surface, it seems cool and dandy but then.... you realize it's all performative, and when the performance ends? Divorce, dudes anamorphing into gay joe rogan look-alikes and weird fucking kids brainwashed by the pink pill brand of internet nonsense.
 
Men's ideal partner is a supportive caring homemmaker they can spend time at home with, love and be loved by
Women's ideal partner is a communist pedophile violent rioter drug dealer they can get drugs from and go to orgies with
Here's why men are in the wrong
 
If you're in an abusive relationship, get out or you deserve everything you get. I don't care what's between your legs.
If it were only that easy. Your abuser often has not only physical, but emotional and financial control over you. You may have no family or other forms of support because they isolated you. You may be terrified for your life, the lives of your children, possible family members and friends (they sometimes also get shot up when things go down), that even the abuser will kill themselves. You feel very trapped. Sometimes people try to get out and still end up dead anyway. I get the tough love thing, but until you have been in such a situation, it is extremely difficult to know how you are supposed to do what you are supposed to do and still make it out alive, especially when you have children and others to consider.
 
After stalking tradwife shit over on /snow/, it's just golddiggers and really sneaky women trying to trick "Proud alpha male" cucks into relationships where they control everything. It's so surreal when you dive into it. On the surface, it seems cool and dandy but then.... you realize it's all performative, and when the performance ends? Divorce, dudes anamorphing into gay joe rogan look-alikes and weird fucking kids brainwashed by the pink pill brand of internet nonsense.
A lot of the tradwife influencer types are just taking simps for a ride with the illusion they have zero career aspirations and only do domestic work. They will carefully curate the aesthetic and buy products that help enforce it, such as cookware that coordinates with the kitchen. They’ll choose dresses and style their hair in ways that leans into the fantasy. They’ll put in a lot of effort with makeup to give the illusion of light makeup that looks good on camera. Finally, they just upload videos, hope to get lots of clicks, and maybe help sponsor products in return for generating a lot of interest. They run their accounts like a business and expect returns, and simps fall for it. I will say though, selling fantasy is lucrative and the women that can do it well are smart in capturing that market.
 
After stalking tradwife shit over on /snow/, it's just golddiggers and really sneaky women trying to trick "Proud alpha male" cucks into relationships where they control everything. It's so surreal when you dive into it. On the surface, it seems cool and dandy but then.... you realize it's all performative, and when the performance ends? Divorce, dudes anamorphing into gay joe rogan look-alikes and weird fucking kids brainwashed by the pink pill brand of internet nonsense.
It's not necessarily malicious. A lot of the women that do this are delusional and have a cargo cult mentality (i.e. superficial imitation of a process without basic understanding of its mechanism). Men do the same thing with their trad larping amongst themselves.
e: I mean yeah as far as influencers they're trying to earn money that's what they do. And there's no shortage of male trad larp influencers.
 
You are upset that I don't find your claim that women blindly adopt bad behaviors exhibited upon them as absolution of responsibility
I don't think there's any point in conversing with you.
If you're in an abusive relationship, get out or you deserve everything you get. I don't care what's between your legs.
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After stalking tradwife shit over on /snow/, it's just golddiggers and really sneaky women trying to trick "Proud alpha male" cucks into relationships where they control everything. It's so surreal when you dive into it. On the surface, it seems cool and dandy but then.... you realize it's all performative, and when the performance ends? Divorce, dudes anamorphing into gay joe rogan look-alikes and weird fucking kids brainwashed by the pink pill brand of internet nonsense.
When it doesn't end in the tradmoid turning family annihilator like ComfySarah's husband likely will (a woman discussed in the girlfarms tradthot thread who married some groyper she met on telegram who unsurprisingly ended up being abusive and threatening to murder her and their baby. She ended up going back to him b/c muh horrible single mother households).
A lot of the tradwife influencer types are just taking simps for a ride with the illusion they have zero career aspirations and only do domestic work. They will carefully curate the aesthetic and buy products that help enforce it, such as cookware that coordinates with the kitchen. They’ll choose dresses and style their hair in ways that leans into the fantasy. They’ll put in a lot of effort with makeup to give the illusion of light makeup that looks good on camera. Finally, they just upload videos, hope to get lots of clicks, and maybe help sponsor products in return for generating a lot of interest. They run their accounts like a business and expect returns, and simps fall for it. I will say though, selling fantasy is lucrative and the women that can do it well are smart in capturing that market.
Ironically enough they also suck at trad activities like cooking, something you also see with fundiewives.

It's all performative and fake. The smart ones are the ones who don't end up reproducing and getting themselves babytrapped to a dude who at best might end up leaving them for strange Ala Laura Southern
 
If it were only that easy. Your abuser often has not only physical, but emotional and financial control over you. You may have no family or other forms of support because they isolated you. You may be terrified for your life, the lives of your children, possible family members and friends (they sometimes also get shot up when things go down), that even the abuser will kill themselves. You feel very trapped. Sometimes people try to get out and still end up dead anyway. I get the tough love thing, but until you have been in such a situation, it is extremely difficult to know how you are supposed to do what you are supposed to do and still make it out alive, especially when you have children and others to consider.
And what's your alternative? Staying in the abusive relationship?
And this is the extreme example of an abusive relationship you're using. Newsworthy shit that happens every five or so years kind of thing. Don't try to act like they're all like this.
 
If it were only that easy. Your abuser often has not only physical, but emotional and financial control over you. You may have no family or other forms of support because they isolated you. You may be terrified for your life, the lives of your children, possible family members and friends (they sometimes also get shot up when things go down), that even the abuser will kill themselves. You feel very trapped. Sometimes people try to get out and still end up dead anyway. I get the tough love thing, but until you have been in such a situation, it is extremely difficult to know how you are supposed to do what you are supposed to do and still make it out alive, especially when you have children and others to consider.
There's a reason why abusive men love "trad" lifestyles that involve women being completely financially dependent on them. Especially if they don't think women should have any education and should start popping out babies by their early 20s at the latest. It's all a way for the worst men to trap women in abusive relationships.

Fundies also use that shit to trap girls and women in their cults. Gotta babytrap her before her brain finishes developing and she realizes the outside world has much better opportunities for her.
 
And what's your alternative? Staying in the abusive relationship?
And this is the extreme example of an abusive relationship you're using. Newsworthy shit that happens every five or so years kind of thing. Don't try to act like they're all like this.
I want to live in whatever country you are in because this happens all day everyday in the US.
 
You've been watching too much real life crime shows then because I haven't heard jackshit for a while. If that were true, we'd have a megathread on the subject at this point even.
almost 3 women are killed by domestic partners in the US every day. More women than not who are murdered are murdered by their domestic partner.

Most of these cases rarely make beyond local headlines because it's so common. You know damn well if we had a megathread for it Thunderdome denizens would be jerking off to it and coming up with excuses for why the woman totally deserved it or w/e.
 
>Tradwife bait posting is a real thing

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I don’t know what to believe in anymore.
 
>Tradwife bait posting is a real thing

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I don’t know what to believe in anymore.
Most of these families are anything but loving

It'll be interesting to see how the kids of tradLARPers turn out. Strongly suspect they'll be like the fundie kids that came before them with a good chunk ending up cutting contact with their parents and speaking out against their beliefs.

Especially since I don't trust the current crop of trad LARPers to be any less abusive and negligent of their kids than their fundie forefathers.
 
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