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Dunno but...pray for more?
2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict
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AI Girl At War
Lo-fi Missile Strikes to Relax/Study To
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ngl "explosions and roosters" was a pretty dank jam
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As an atheist I can safely say I’m in my hands and knees begging whatever god(s) that may hear me I want more of this.
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To maximize entertainment value while minimizing collateral damage?
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I honestly always figured Gaza was the zoo.
DiscoRodeo
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And she would want what?
Have Israel accept Hamas' existence? Have them accept a "peace treaty" that Hamas will break in a year or two? How did the last peace treaty go? Well, on October 7th, Hamas decided enough of this, and decided to cross the border to rape women and shoot kids in the head.
You could argue that there is stuff that Israel could do to ensure a lasting peace- perhaps eliminating settlements in the West Bank (its a point many try to bring up), but for every person yelling about that as justification for war at any given time, apparently, they forget the financial aid that Israel sends the West Bank, visa programs for people in Gaza and West Bank, citizenship for Arab-Israelis, the fact that they do have to contend with a literal hostile neighbor that thinks lobbing rockets at Israeli cities is a joke, etc.
Yeah, noone likes when Israeli soldiers shoot a kid for chucking rocks at their heads. Two things to point out there, you have thousands of checkpoint interactions every day within the nation, and kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers practically every day. If you have one or two cases where some trigger happy 20 year old shoots, this is evidently a foul thing- but if Israel treated the situation the same way Hamas does (where it uses the slightest provocation to go immediately apeshit), every time a rocket fired over the wall killed a grandmother or if Israel went ape shit for every suicide bomber the Palestinians sent over, you literally would have no Palestinians left at this point.
The second is, if you don't like what Israel is doing in the West Bank- Western countries have slapped fines on companies there before, Israel has lost trade deals over West Bank settlements, etc.
For example, we have France proposing this currently.
There are legitimate ways to try to enact international law, that don't involve raping women or beheading babies. Stuff in the West Bank is certainly something people can affect and that can be debated, but demanding that Israel bend over backwards for terrorists in Gaza? Delusional, and politically illiterate when it comes to what is being fought over in this war. The one thing that basically every Western nation agrees upon is that, relative to the October 7th attacks, Palestinians really, really went too far, and thought they would get away with essentially the usual Israeli response.
At the very least, Israel is trying to have a functioning society, Hamas is a Ponzi scheme of a "government" that pockets aid money and leaves their own citizens to rot.
The only sad thing here is that she was so delusional, she essentially set herself on fire to demand that Israel allow Hamas to continue firing rockets at Israeli civilians. Its apparently Hamas' right to behead jews on a whim, whenever they feel slighted.
These people don't even know what the situation in Israel is, and they're so astroturfed by social media they're willing to die for some false consciousness.
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I maintain a large part of the problem is the tortured use of terms such as invasions, occupation and colonialism. All three are thrown about willy nilly to describe this conflict, and all three are not operative descriptions for what is going on whatsoever.
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Expletives as normal language and racing to the end with hyperbolics is retarded after all, huh?
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Well it's not like he has to actually fight them or anything... and his days are hopefully numbered anyway and he knows it.
Also... So much for those calls for a perma ceasefire.
Ugh... That would suck!
ROFL
Still.. A despicable request/demand by this admin!
This shit is why western countries have so much trouble finishing off a war in modern times. They could "win", but they can never truly finish the fight.
Well at least the terrorist isn't a black African in this propaganda. I imagine it's going to get called out for white washing or something. lol
To be fair here though. Those reservations are LARPing as nations in all aspects. It's a big show the federal government lets them continue to put on for reasons. Despite out of control social issues/crime, incompetence and massive corruption! It does certainly fit for what gaza is likely about to become, but not right now.
I can't help but think... "solving the problem"
Seriously.. this better be an arab woman or something. I'll have to laugh doubly hard if it isn't.
Sad that the stupid bitch had to drag someone else into her irrelevant nonsense.
If only this caught on more with those pushing progressive hysteric narratives all the time. If you believe troons are being genocided then prove it!
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Once again people fail to comprehend a basic fact that has been constant since the beginning of time: your claim to land is only as good as your ability to take and defend it.
DiscoRodeo
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Colonialism is an example of historical illiteracy.
You could claim that Ashkenazim are overrepresented in government, but they're actually outnumbered by Sephardim and Mizrahim.
Even then though, for the Ashkenazim, there's a narrative that they first popped up there in 1948- when jews had been travelling to the levant well before then. Take for example the first Aliyah. 1880s
It's been 150 years for these jews living in the levant.
It goes on, and on with the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.
Even before this, with Ashkenazi specifically- you have Messianic movements outside of the Aliyahs
The big thing here is that, a narrative of "they suddenly appeared in 1948" is off. Yes, you have a large wave appearing after the holocaust, but even Ashkenazi were there prior to this.
Even then though, for the Ashkenazim, there's a narrative that they first popped up there in 1948- when jews had been travelling to the levant well before then. Take for example the first Aliyah. 1880s
It's been 150 years for these jews living in the levant.
It goes on, and on with the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.
Even before this, with Ashkenazi specifically- you have Messianic movements outside of the Aliyahs
The big thing here is that, a narrative of "they suddenly appeared in 1948" is off. Yes, you have a large wave appearing after the holocaust, but even Ashkenazi were there prior to this.
Now what about the Mizrahim?
Certainly you have a large chunk of them already living in Israel- but prior to 1948, you also had large communities in Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, and much of the middle east.
One weird historical fact is that, at one point, Baghdad was 1/4th jewish.
So what happened?
The vast, vast majority were pushed out of their countries of origin. When someone says "we want the jews to 'go back', go back to where? Iraq? Persia? Afghanistan and Yemen? Are these jews colonialists, or refugees? Id weigh on the side of them being refugees actually native to the region, though thats not to say that jews fleeing the holocaust weren't refugees either.
Now, was the jews mistreatment caused by the declaration of the state of Israel? People like to portray the myth that the middle east was progressive towards the jews prior to this, but thats not really accurate.
Jews were allowed to live in the middle east, but they had to pay an extra tax, they were subject to the normal pogroms, and their own series of humiliating rituals. For example, in Morocco, in addition to regular pogroms, each year they were forced to petition to the Sultan to kiss his feet and thank him for permission to live there.
Bear in mind that this is the largest ethnic group in Israel currently. Are these jews who fled this considered "colonialists"? Did they not have a right to flee this?
Certainly you have a large chunk of them already living in Israel- but prior to 1948, you also had large communities in Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Yemen, Turkey, and much of the middle east.
One weird historical fact is that, at one point, Baghdad was 1/4th jewish.
So what happened?
The vast, vast majority were pushed out of their countries of origin. When someone says "we want the jews to 'go back', go back to where? Iraq? Persia? Afghanistan and Yemen? Are these jews colonialists, or refugees? Id weigh on the side of them being refugees actually native to the region, though thats not to say that jews fleeing the holocaust weren't refugees either.
Now, was the jews mistreatment caused by the declaration of the state of Israel? People like to portray the myth that the middle east was progressive towards the jews prior to this, but thats not really accurate.
Jews were allowed to live in the middle east, but they had to pay an extra tax, they were subject to the normal pogroms, and their own series of humiliating rituals. For example, in Morocco, in addition to regular pogroms, each year they were forced to petition to the Sultan to kiss his feet and thank him for permission to live there.
Bear in mind that this is the largest ethnic group in Israel currently. Are these jews who fled this considered "colonialists"? Did they not have a right to flee this?
I'm not even going to get into all the dramas of the Mandate of Palestine, but Arabs were attacking the jews living there (for decades at that point, and many of which were middle eastern), well before 1948. Many of them wanted to essentially establish Sharia over them, or to push them out of the country. It got to bad that the British essentially recommended a partitioning of the territory, which had majority Jewish areas at the time, which was promptly rejected because the Arabs did not want to live with the Jews as equals.
You have things like the Jaffa riots in the 20s where Arabs attacked the Jews
Same thing in the Western Wall riots
You then have the black hand terrorist organization
Then you have the Arab revolt in the 30s, with the Grand Mufti siding with Hitler, more jews being murdered in the mandate, etc.
(our boy Ryan Gosling)
All this essentially pushed the jews into joining their own paramilitary groups in the region, and eventually led to a situation where the Jews just did not trust the Arabs around them to treat them as equals (I mean, they literally spelt out that they would not), which led to the Peel commission recommending that a partition of the land (with 20% of it going to a new state of Israel) was the only practical solution to prevent violence.
Needless to say, the whole narrative on "they suddenly appeared in 1948", or "the Arabs dindu nuffin and got their land stolen" is just a false one, and one that emerges from historic illiteracy. Not everything that Israel has done has been good. Certainly you have groups like the Irgun that emerged amid this period of increasing paramilitarism, but the narrative on the left wing side and the arab side is just so inaccurate, its essentially lying by omission of the facts.
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Keep seeing this image of hostages being released being posted as proof of how cool and chill Hamas is.
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So there's supposedly this video of a child corpse being examined in Gaza. To me, this just looks like a latex prop, but some of you may be squeamish enough, so be warned. I don't get how a child can be so blown apart yet so in-tact while also looking like he's rotting yet nothing is falling off of him and being so limp in some areas but stiff in others and his skin is perfectly pristine in areas in a really unnatural way. Also his organs are bouncing around yet they'd probably be dried up and stiff at this point. Pallywood's prop department working overtime.
For whatever reason, KF is not recognizing this MP4 file as a video, so I've linked a Streamable link that will expire in 2 days and I'll try attaching the video and seeing what happens.
For whatever reason, KF is not recognizing this MP4 file as a video, so I've linked a Streamable link that will expire in 2 days and I'll try attaching the video and seeing what happens.
What do you guys think?
Air support
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Seems kinda silly that Israel is targeting Khan Yunis if they want to do an ethnic cleansing wouldn't it be a good idea to push all of the Palestinians to the south then into egypt not move the entire population to rafah
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Idk, looks pretty real to me.
My problem with it is their mentality of "oh Allah, they killed little Mahmood. Quick grab a camera, twitter needs to see this!!"
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Something like 8000 dead kids, they don't need to be making fake latex kids. There are plenty of dead kids for them to film. Pretending otherwise is just people being being dumb and asshole.
Images of their dead kids is literally one of the only tools they have that will possibly get NATO and other Western Countries to withdraw supporting them being mass slaughtered. So while it is always a bit gross to see the parading on camera. There's pretty much else they can do that might change public opinion in the USA enough to get Genocide Joe to withdraw support for Bibi's mass slaughtering.
Which isn't going to work, but at least the brutality of what the Israeli state is doing is documented to history by them filming. Biden's regime is desperately hoping we don't get shown more footage of what is going on in Gaza. So gross shit like that rag doll body is just the tip of the ice berg of the horrors of this mass murder.
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And yet there's plenty of video and pictures of them faking dead children. I'm not sure why healthy skepticism is so strange when such propaganda has been commonplace even before the conflict.