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I am nearing 2 hours in and will continue watching because I'm curious about the twist but there were some comments in this thread I wanted to reply to explicitly because they get the point right. On the "fuckable twink" comment I did agree with Null that it's a gross comment, but after watching the video and seeing he says it immediately after showing the clip where the "fuckable twink" says HB should just start taking estrogen and T blockers made it fair (if disgusting) play. The fact that after this video came out he wrote that big statement apologizing to HB is pure 
tho.
The only time it made sense was citing Melania just repurposing a speech from Michael Obama. It was to highlight that most people will plagiarize not from their friends or people they respect, but from people they have no care for or in these highly polarized spheres like politics where you are less likely to care because it's your team, or you didn't look for the original source or even want to hear it because it's from the other side. He could've found a different example but it does get the point across.
I can sympathize with IH's desire to keep it more private if it is the case of a side writer just copying the work you're paying them for since now you have to look through the work they've done for you previously and this is the kind of thing that tarnishes the rest of your work, regardless of whether or not it isn't plagiarized. There certainly are some strange choices to obfuscate the issue in the reupload like editing the screen shot to remove the company's name, but there could be an honest explanation: Perhaps the company involved did not wish for negative attention (you already saw clips in the HB video of IH viewers making antisemitic comments) and asked IH to leave the parent company out of the reupload to prevent that from happening. It's a toss up to consider it malicious and I wish HB had decided to be less accusatory at this point as it muddles the point as to why it was wrong. Especially considering it comes after the Cinemassacre stuff where he points out that the guy was doing it without other people realizing it. With any job you assume the person you're paying to do something is doing it properly.
And to anyone saying "boo hoo who cares about plagiarism" I will leave two comments: I hope you've never made a comment about some Youtuber who talked about a lolcow, clearly read the KF thread and didn't state where they were pulling their information. Citation is done to allow one to go back to the original source and confirm information/get a different perspective. You may not go back and read the article about the Cave, but to disallow you from doing so by not linking the article IH is failing as a creator to provide a complete body of work. The best example of this being HB pointing out where there were mistakes in IH's video which you would never know if the original source wasn't acknowledged.
And lastly: A nigger steals, a white man lists his references. You are a white man, aren't you?
tho.This is the crux of my issue with HB's video. He highlights the correct issues of plagiarism while also not highlighting a proper solution, and assuming steps to do the correct thing in addressing the issue is malicious. If the content isn't properly cited it should come down to be reuploaded with more editing and proper citations which is what IH did. HB took this to be him trying to obfuscate the act. I think if you want the perfect medium in addition to the changes he made he also links the delisted video so that it can remain up and acknowledge that there were plagiarism issues. I don't think it's the most necessary thing to do since the new one has (reupload) in the title and the citations are present.
His issue is that he's taking his smaller square peg (throwing those jabs at the political side he doesn't like) and sneaking them into the rectangular hole of plagiarism. Sure you did get the peg in the hole but is it the correct peg for this or necessary? There are times where it doesn't matter, like trying to put IH into the edgy-right wing camp when that is irrelevant to the issue at hand. IH could be a staunch liberal that is filled with pride while watching a black man kiss his wife and it wouldn't make his plagiarism acceptable. Other subjects he discussed did not have their politics picked apart or highlighted so it just draws away from his correct point that plagiarism happened.
The only time it made sense was citing Melania just repurposing a speech from Michael Obama. It was to highlight that most people will plagiarize not from their friends or people they respect, but from people they have no care for or in these highly polarized spheres like politics where you are less likely to care because it's your team, or you didn't look for the original source or even want to hear it because it's from the other side. He could've found a different example but it does get the point across.
If you want more homework Mama Max made like a 3 hour video crying about why people like Critical aren't making dozens of videos of child abuse and you can go watch that. Youtube has content for every subject under, above, and inside the sun. It's absolutely stupid to expect every Youtuber to drop what they're doing to discuss child abuse especially if it isn't a topic they want to discuss. Where is the Internet Historian video plagiarizing an article about Youtube child abuse?
Disagree. There's no quibbles in the targets. It feels like he's been setting up for this and did it in a chronological order. I'm writing this only 2 hours in and will continue to eye it, but The Cave stuff was more recent than the Illuminati stuff, and the Illuminatti stuff was newer than the Nintendo man stealing stuff. I think it's a misstep because audiences are used to stories ramping up as you go along, so you think the less egregious stuff will be at the start and the salacious stories will follow. If i were to re-edit I would start with the Internet Historian stuff or The Cinemassacre as it's more ambiguous as to their motives in addressing the issue vs the much more malicious Illuminati or Switch boy stuff. It might cause people who are super IH fans to drop off early but would cause the work to look a little less biased.
I can sympathize with IH's desire to keep it more private if it is the case of a side writer just copying the work you're paying them for since now you have to look through the work they've done for you previously and this is the kind of thing that tarnishes the rest of your work, regardless of whether or not it isn't plagiarized. There certainly are some strange choices to obfuscate the issue in the reupload like editing the screen shot to remove the company's name, but there could be an honest explanation: Perhaps the company involved did not wish for negative attention (you already saw clips in the HB video of IH viewers making antisemitic comments) and asked IH to leave the parent company out of the reupload to prevent that from happening. It's a toss up to consider it malicious and I wish HB had decided to be less accusatory at this point as it muddles the point as to why it was wrong. Especially considering it comes after the Cinemassacre stuff where he points out that the guy was doing it without other people realizing it. With any job you assume the person you're paying to do something is doing it properly.
And to anyone saying "boo hoo who cares about plagiarism" I will leave two comments: I hope you've never made a comment about some Youtuber who talked about a lolcow, clearly read the KF thread and didn't state where they were pulling their information. Citation is done to allow one to go back to the original source and confirm information/get a different perspective. You may not go back and read the article about the Cave, but to disallow you from doing so by not linking the article IH is failing as a creator to provide a complete body of work. The best example of this being HB pointing out where there were mistakes in IH's video which you would never know if the original source wasn't acknowledged.
And lastly: A nigger steals, a white man lists his references. You are a white man, aren't you?
