Programming thread

[King Of The Kiwis]

What is "vanilla JavaScript MVC"
You would use vanilla JavaScript for your whole stack. You shouldn't use vanilla js for much of anything.

My definition for "vanilla javascript" is programming javascript with no frameworks and no libraries. You have to write everything yourself. I am learning MVC because I want to understand the language before I jump into things like frameworks. I already know vanilla javascript pretty well so right now im learning Node. My plan is: JS->Node->React->nextJS/Typescript.

 

[Piss Chemist]

Any of you guys know much about those bootcamps that guarantee a job if you pass? I know they're going to skim over practically all the important back end stuff but I'm willing to learn that on my own if I can get a paying job and experience on file sooner than later.

 

[Anti Snigger]

bootcamps

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

I'm willing to learn that on my own

You'll be learning everything on your own anyway. Bootcamps don't hold your hand, it's like a college class. In the meantime I can guarantee you'll be better off not pissing $5k into the wind.
I had a friend who was in one of these and thought it was gonna be so much better than going to school. She never bothered to study or practice and gave up a few months in even though I would tutor her weekly and help her with assignments and shit. She's still paying off the debt.

 

[y a t s]

Any of you guys know much about those bootcamps that guarantee a job if you pass? I know they're going to skim over practically all the important back end stuff but I'm willing to learn that on my own if I can get a paying job and experience on file sooner than later.

Bootcamps don't tend to produce competent programmers. They're sort of like those shitty diploma mill colleges. I get the impression that the jobs one could get from a bootcamp are the sort where the programmer/worker can't be expected to make good decisions, since they simply don't have the background. It's fine for experience and all that, but it will more than likely be a very painful experience with some of the most insufferably retarded co-workers you could ask for.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

Any of you guys know much about those bootcamps that guarantee a job if you pass? I know they're going to skim over practically all the important back end stuff but I'm willing to learn that on my own if I can get a paying job and experience on file sooner than later.

If you dont have to pay for it, it would be worthwhile i think. Otherwise, if you're paying out of pocket you're better off taking some udemy classes or getting some books and just building stuff.

 

[Anti Snigger]

The real pro-gamer move is doing a CS minor so that you evade a lot of the informatics shit they try to push, then do a CS masters so you can have the more interesting topics.

 

[Jarry Seinfelt]

Any of you guys know much about those bootcamps that guarantee a job if you pass? I know they're going to skim over practically all the important back end stuff but I'm willing to learn that on my own if I can get a paying job and experience on file sooner than later.

Serious response: everyone I’ve seen get benefit from a bootcamp has been really driven and would’ve done well for themselves even without the bootcamp.

 

[sadrefrigerator]

My definition for "vanilla javascript" is programming javascript with no frameworks and no libraries. You have to write everything yourself. I am learning MVC because I want to understand the language before I jump into things like frameworks. I already know vanilla javascript pretty well so right now im learning Node. My plan is: JS->Node->React->nextJS/Typescript.

But to learn "MVC" in javascript, much less vanilla javascript is a weird thing to do. JS doesn't really have any good MVC frameworks. You're better off learning rails if you want to practice MVC. Theres really no way you could do MVC in vanilla js unless you were doing a purely conceptual project with is honestly of limited help to you, or you're trying to rewrite rails in js.
Pure MVC is also kind of an outdated concept that is rarely thought of in the JS ecosystem.

Any of you guys know much about those bootcamps that guarantee a job if you pass? I know they're going to skim over practically all the important back end stuff but I'm willing to learn that on my own if I can get a paying job and experience on file sooner than later.

I've worked with some decent devs that started in bootcamps. However, everyone I know who went through bootcamps say they did nothing to help them find jobs and just took a lot of their money. I think its pretty useless if you are competent enough to learn by yourself.

 

[Piss Chemist]

Yeah I did some research on them before bed they do not seem worth it. Shit days of warehouse work make me look for a fast exit but gonna just buckle down and learn myself

 

[DiggieSmalls]

Yeah I did some research on them before bed they do not seem worth it. Shit days of warehouse work make me look for a fast exit but gonna just buckle down and learn myself

building your portfolio is a good choice. wishing you luck

 

[Piss Chemist]

building your portfolio is a good choice. wishing you luck

I'm starting from zero but the second I'm any level of competent I'm working on one

 

[CashMoney!]

Why is anyone still using React? I just don't get it. It's so verbose and fragile. I found Svelte and I am finding it hard to understand why I'd ever need or want to use React. Why the fuck is React still used? What can it do that Svelte doesn't in half the code?

 

[Flatline]

Why is anyone still using React? I just don't get it.

Because every company uses it, and that's where most of the front-end jobs are.

 

[Anti Snigger]

Does anyone know a reliable and ideally platform-independent way to actually get TensorFlow and co. to use the GPU? I have two computers each dual-booting, with wildly different hardware. One is intel with an NVIDIA, the other is full AMD.

 

[Dread First]

Any of you guys know much about those bootcamps that guarantee a job if you pass? I know they're going to skim over practically all the important back end stuff but I'm willing to learn that on my own if I can get a paying job and experience on file sooner than later.

There ain't anything a programming boot camp can teach you that you can't teach yourself for free. If you pay for a programming boot camp, you're automatically giving everyone in the universe a giant target on your back that says "I HAVE AUTISM, PLEASE LAUGH AT ME."

Also, trying to monetise your self-taught programming skills is a bad idea. 9/10, the labour you would provide by programming would be significantly cheaper if it was outsourced to India or Bangladesh. Oh, you taught yourself COBOL and Fortran so that big institutional banks will have an excuse to hire you? That don't mean jack shit because you only know how to write code; you have absolutely fuck-all for experience in maintaining that code (much less a decades-old code base that's double your age). That's not even getting into how all the recent institutional bankruptcies are making big tech companies change their hiring priorities to weed out the self-taught script kiddies looking to make high 5, low 6 figures off a job they barely know how to do.

There was a time where programming was a lucrative field that literally any rube could get into and make a fortune. Unfortunately, that time was long before you and I were legal adults looking for our first "real" jobs. While the barrier to entry is still phenomenally low, the sad reality is that programming for profit is a fool's errand due to how fucking oversaturated the job market is. Monetising your programming ability is like trying to put Microsoft Office on your CV... I mean, it made sense a decade and change ago, but now it's basically an implicit prerequisite for literally anything.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

If you pay for a programming boot camp, you're automatically giving everyone in the universe a giant target on your back that says "I HAVE AUTISM, PLEASE LAUGH AT ME."

I have met plenty of people that were more than proficient at jobs ive been on who had experience from boot camps.

 

[std::string]

I have said it before, perhaps even in this thread, but I am convinced that ML researchers write the most painful to read Python in existence. I think it may be due to a lot of them being statsfags who write barely working shit in R. My former colleagues when I was still doing research wrote code that was so bad, I had to insist they stop asking me for advice on how to fix it.

It's the wonderful way of academia where you just need something to run once and then hopefully never have to touch it again. Nobody cares about readability or maintainability.

R is especially bad because it seems like nobody knows how or when to create functions, so everything's just a bunch of copy-pasted code with slight changes.

 

[Blamo2000]

Yeah I did some research on them before bed they do not seem worth it. Shit days of warehouse work make me look for a fast exit but gonna just buckle down and learn myself

Good luck. I wanna try it myself

 

[King Of The Kiwis]

Is it possible to own a website anonymously in this day and age? Basically, can you register a domain, get webhosting, and get ddos protection without having to give personal information and not having to worried about companies dropping support for your website?