2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[mindlessobserver]

I don't agree with the protestors at all and frankly wish they were taken out by an 18 wheeler, but they should go back and protest there every night. Fuck the government trying to infringe on first amendment rights.

I actually need to push back here, because this is the sort of nebulous grey area that is actually important to understand. What exactly is the 1st amendment? Specifically the "Speech" clause. Not the actual text. The actual "idea" that the text is trying to get at. In my mind, the idea that the right of the people to freely express their political opinion and publicly petition the government for redress of grievance, and to otherwise publicly speak to persuade political action from their peers cannot be criminalized.

Which brings us to this issue. A Falafel shop. Being protested over a war in Israel. Because its run by Jews. In Philadelphia.

How exactly, is the Falafel shop responsible for what is happening in Gaza? More importantly, how does protesting the Falafel shop in Philadelphia effect the political situation in Israel?

Not one bit. I may hate what New York is exporting to my neck of the woods in the form of progressive politics, but I'm not gonna take my friends down to the local New York Style Pizzeria to protest Eric Adam's latest insanity. For one thing Eric Adam's won't give a shit, and for the other, wtf is the Pizzeria going to do to get what I want? All I am doing is making a mess and ruining uninvolved peoples day.

That is not the exercise of a right. That is the abuse of a right. Its not acceptable. If these protestors have a problem with what Israel is doing, instead of threatening to burn down the Falafel shop, maybe go over to the Israeli consulate instead. That would actually be justifiable use of the right.

 

[clipartfan92]

That is not the exercise of a right. That is the abuse of a right.

Then charge the protestors with disorderly conduct or noise ordinance violations. Having the White House comment on the situation is nothing but a bully move meant to chill free speech. You can't give the traitors that run this country one inch.

 

[EyeGuy]

IDF losses:

 

[AgendaPoster]

That is not the exercise of a right. That is the abuse of a right. Its not acceptable. If these protestors have a problem with what Israel is doing, instead of threatening to burn down the Falafel shop, maybe go over to the Israeli consulate instead. That would actually be justifiable use of the right.

You don't get to dictate what US citizens are protesting
You're not even understanding how your country works
What else is new though

 

[mindlessobserver]

You don't get to dictate what US citizens are protesting
You're not even understanding how your country works
What else is new though

I don't try to explain how Ruthenians actually are just cuz I play Europa Universalis as few times.

Your gypsy ass has no right to explain to me who I am, who my people are, or what my nation is.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I don't try to explain how Ruthenians actually are just cuz I play Europa Universalis as few times.

Your gypsy ass has no right to explain to me who I am, who my people are, or what my nation is.

I have every right to point out lies and stupidity.
You have no idea how the 1A works.
Anyone sane and non-poisoned by tribalism that would side with you cause Israel will agree.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I have every right to point out lies and stupidity.
You have no idea how the 1A works.
Anyone sane and non-poisoned by tribalism that would side with you cause Israel will agree.

Tell me how 1A works then.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

That is not the exercise of a right. That is the abuse of a right. Its not acceptable.

Tell me how 1A works then.

A protest, no matter how impotent, or misplaced, is protected by the First Amendment, period. That being said, the White House is free to comment on the situation all it likes. It just can't move to illegally shut down the protest. Now, if the protest turned into a riot, resulted in injuries, or damaged property, it infringed on the rights of others, and those who are guilty of the offenses should be arrested for it and charged. That would send a stronger message than any criticism from the White House.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

That protest is like 1 inch away from becoming a Kristallnacht lol.

 

[mindlessobserver]

A protest, no matter how impotent, or misplaced, is protected by the First Amendment, period.

This is an argument to justify the antics of children. I am so tired of children screaming about their rights. Be they from the right or the left.

I have the right to keep a weapon. I don't have right to use my weapon like a toy and shoot it off willy nilly so a bullet goes into my neighbors house and kills their 5 year old in their bed.

Your absolutist position comes I am assuming from the position that the "opinions have consequences:" crowd likes to view words as bullets, and speech as violence. They like to equate your speech to me playing with a rifle and killing the neighbors toddler as the same thing as le hecking hate speech.

They do it because its good argument. Which is why you need to be more judicious, and HONEST with your intentions when you use speech. Stick to your "guns" absolutely. And when you use your words or bullets for good cause; defend it absolutely.

But what you are arguing for here is total anarchy. The falafel merchant cannot give to the mob what the mob demands. Does the mob then have the right to destroy the falafel merchant? They are no better then me, playing with my weapons and killing the toddler.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

You don't get to dictate what US citizens are protesting
You're not even understanding how your country works
What else is new though

There is no right to protest on someone else's private property.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Gaza can't evacuate. They can't move into Israel for obvious reasons, and the Egyptians won't let them in either. The Palestinian refugees have destablized EVERY Arab country they've moved into. Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. All three had to crack down militarily on the Palestinian refugees and in the case of Lebanon the crackdown failed and Lebanon has been a borderline failed state since then.

No Arab state is going to let them in. So they are stuck. That said however you are correct that Hamas has done what it can to insure their military infrastructure is positioned to maximize civilian deaths when its attacked.

We call that bad karma.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm still waiting for @AgendaPoster to explain to me what it means to be an American and what our 1st Amendment is.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I really can't wait for the Democratic National Convention this summer. IN CHICAGO!

 

[EyeGuy]

Airstrikes destroy a building complex:

Spoiler: Video

New dashcam footage of Hamas murdering a motorist on 7/10:

Spoiler: Video

 

[Ghostse]

A protest, no matter how impotent, or misplaced, is protected by the First Amendment, period. That being said, the White House is free to comment on the situation all it likes. It just can't move to illegally shut down the protest. Now, if the protest turned into a riot, resulted in injuries, or damaged property, it infringed on the rights of others, and those who are guilty of the offenses should be arrested for it and charged. That would send a stronger message than any criticism from the White House.

I don't want to derail this into the right of chimps to chimp out, I'll just say that its been determined that yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater is not protected speech, and police that aren't the cucked NYPD have shut down and dispersed protests with less justification.

Anyway, I approve; Semite Death World Wide.

 

[EyeGuy]

Tent cities in Rafah:

Spoiler: Videos

IDF losses:

Spoiler: Images

The IDF warns Gazans to stay away from Salah Ad-Din road in Khan Yunis. Fighting is going on in the east/north of the city:

Spoiler: Media

Gazans fleeing from Khan Yunis to Rafah:

Spoiler: Video

I got a kick out of this. An Israeli nationalist channel that covers Russia-Ukraine and is always saying that Israel needs to learn from Russia's ruthlessness, quotes a Russian nationalist channel praising Israel's ruthlessness and saying that Russia needs to learn from it:

Spoiler: Image

 

[bango skank]

Tent cities in Rafah:

Spoiler: Videos

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Jesus christ, has anyone let the jews know about this place?! It’s just tents, (((they))) don’t even need to worry about warning theyre going to bomb the area like they have been the entire time, how the fuck are they going to enact their genocide against our precious Palestinians while allowing places like this to exist? I’m simultaneously mad about (((((((((them))))))))) killing these mudslimes while also somehow mind-controlling MY government into importing these savages that they’re hellbent on exterminating.

 

[Doctor Love]

I actually need to push back here, because this is the sort of nebulous grey area that is actually important to understand. What exactly is the 1st amendment? Specifically the "Speech" clause. Not the actual text. The actual "idea" that the text is trying to get at. In my mind, the idea that the right of the people to freely express their political opinion and publicly petition the government for redress of grievance, and to otherwise publicly speak to persuade political action from their peers cannot be criminalized.

Which brings us to this issue. A Falafel shop. Being protested over a war in Israel. Because its run by Jews. In Philadelphia.

How exactly, is the Falafel shop responsible for what is happening in Gaza? More importantly, how does protesting the Falafel shop in Philadelphia effect the political situation in Israel?

Not one bit. I may hate what New York is exporting to my neck of the woods in the form of progressive politics, but I'm not gonna take my friends down to the local New York Style Pizzeria to protest Eric Adam's latest insanity. For one thing Eric Adam's won't give a shit, and for the other, wtf is the Pizzeria going to do to get what I want? All I am doing is making a mess and ruining uninvolved peoples day.

That is not the exercise of a right. That is the abuse of a right. Its not acceptable. If these protestors have a problem with what Israel is doing, instead of threatening to burn down the Falafel shop, maybe go over to the Israeli consulate instead. That would actually be justifiable use of the right.

I would be happy for them to set it as a solid precedent.

It means that businesses and homes are now fair targets, so firebombing the homes of Muslims in the USA after the next inevitable terrorist attack will be, not only fair game, actually a positive enrichment of your democracy!

 

[EyeGuy]

Khan Yunis IP2 is wild:

Spoiler: Video

Hamas fighters (in civilian clothes) engaging the IDF:

Spoiler: Video

Large barrage at Tel Aviv:

Spoiler: Image

Aftermath of airstrike in Deir Al-Balah:

Spoiler: Video

Head of IDF Southern Command says that Israel is operating in the heart of Jabalia, Shujayya, and Khan Yunis:

Spoiler: Text

Airstrikes in Beit Lahiya:

Spoiler: Video