Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Feline Supremacist]

Ukraine's best artilery

NATO standards:

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

i mean, it wasn't like they had a chance before: they did start conscripting fucking women

Maybe that's why the Troon of Ukraine stopped wearing his wig. He's afraid they'll make him go fight.

 

[AGPinochet]

Sputnik is reporting that the RuMOD is either looking to acquire, acquiring or have already acquired small (compared to a real one, I assume this thing is still the size of a small car) helicopter drones that fire laser guided 80mm rockets.
I would assume that the rockets are modified S-8's, like that of the American 70mm APKWS. The most modern S-8 variant is the S-8OPF "Broneboyshchik" and has a 2.6kg warhead with preformed fragments and a maximum range of 6km. There also exists older thermobaric models, the best of which has a Warhead equivalent to 6kg TNT and a maximum range of 4km.
I wonder if this is using any of the research from the "Ugroza" program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugroza

A Comparative American model would be the retired MQ-8 Fire Scout

Seeing as how each S-8OPF rocket weighs 16.7kg, 3 of them makes 50.1kg. A Kornet-M weighs 31kg and can penetrate 1300mm RHA after ERA (allegedly) and a range of 8km for the HEAT variant.

 

[Zashaiba]

So uh...I guess I will try to stop following the news for a little while and touch grass. Should I expect anything to happen in the coming weeks/months or should I log off for a bit longer? By the way I'm actually the poster who uh, had a mental breakdown over the conflict a couple months ago and got in trouble for it, but I promise I won't ever have an autistic meltdown again here. Please say something encouraging about the conflict for me....I understand that I look like a copium cuck right now but please feed me something comforting so I can rest easy. Sorry for the trouble frens.

 

[The Hardest R]

This speaks mostly to the ignorance of General Milley and nearly all the other people involved in Ukraine policy in the United States. They blindly accepted their own propaganda and then created bad policies based on their propaganda.

They really believed that Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk were full of Zelensky supporters who were willing to take up partisan warfare. That they had the numbers and the power to launch a full scale insurrection behind the Russian lines.

Many of the more ignorant people driving these policies were actually expecting this insurrection. One can still find zones of "Ukrainian Partisan Warfare" on the maps produced by the Institute for the Study of War. Donetsk City is according to the map is a center of partisan warfare against the Russians.

The question that the Washington Post should have asked about the Great Ukrainian Counteroffensive of 2023 was if its goals were even rational. Was it rational for the US and Ukraine to set the goal of the war to be the compete restoration of the 1991 borders.

This was the first Woke War and it was a miserable failure. It didn’t matter what the Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimeans thought, the true goal was to implement the Kaganite goals of carving Russia up into numerous and easy to manipulate nations that could promptly be filled up with Gazans and Africans; Ukraine was just going to be a tool to get what they wanted. They would cancel Putin like they canceled Trump after January 6. That’s why they felt emboldened to seize hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Russian assets, kick them off SWIFT, etc. they were so cocksure of their success because they were on the right side of history and Putin believes in things that make white women in American suburbs feel sad. They didn’t need to think any further than that. Any strategy they had other than carving up Russia, divvying up Russian natural resource rights to their friends like BlackRock, and cramming the Russian carcass full of immigrants is purely coincidental. They never thought they’d achieve anything other than total victory.

 

[Strix454]

I read the second half of the Washington Post's analysis of the Great Ukrainian Counteroffensive of 2023. This one focused on the interactions between the Americans and Ukrainians while the operations were in progress. It was eye-opening in bad ways. The US seems largely responsible for most of the bad decisions made in Ukraine during the summer of 2023.

Operations at Robotyne went wrong from the beginning. The US plan was to reach the current lines in the area within the first two days of the operation. In fact, it took six months.

The initial US plan was for mine-clearing equipment to open up narrow roads for the Bradleys and Leapords south toward Robotyne. The armored vehicles would then charge south overrunning everything in their path.

They were able at the cost of the destruction of nearly all the mine-clearing equipment to open up the paths to the south. But as the convoys advanced, the Russians shot at them from every direction and eventually disabled vehicles in the middle of the convoy which forced the other vehicles to either stay immobile and be destroyed. Or drive into the uncleared minefields. They repeated this for four days and then in the face of massive casualties stopped.

The article neglects the most important problem with the attack. The path selected for the attacks (Robotyne) is low ground and the russians held the high ground all around it. They never ask why Robotyne was selected or question why the offensive was directed at such unfavorable ground.

The article listed the following opinions from the US military officers attached to the operation:

- Before the advance on Robotyne, the Ukrainians used drones for reconnaissance rather than human reconnaissance which led to a lack of information on the minefields. In other words, they were suggesting more Ukrainian soldiers should have been sent on recon missions into the middle of the minefields before the operation began.
- The Ukrainians had to move and fire more as maneuver warfare called for. How exactly they were supposed to move and fire on narrow paths through minefields under the observation of the Russians on the high ground all around them is not explained.
- They should have used more smoke to cover their nine-mile advance through fixed paths cleared through minefields.
- The soldiers sent for NATO training were too young and too inexperienced to fight afterward in the offensive.
- "The US concluded that the problem was Ukraine falling short in basic military tactics such as understanding the density of minefields."
- The Ukrainians gave up the original plan too early out of concerns about losses.

There were some interesting quotes from Ukrainians. This is my favorite:

"Days after the counteroffensive launched, Oleksandr Sak, then the 47th (Brigade)’s commander, visited a Russian position his troops had captured. He noted anti-drone guns, thermal imagery scopes and small surveillance drones, among other abandoned materiel. “I realized the enemy had prepared,”

There were also the usual complaints that the Ukrainians were fighting wave after wave of Russian prison convicts in Robotyne. This claim about waves of suicidal released convicts seems to come up every time the Ukrainians have a setback.

The US and NATO were the ones pushing all summer for the Ukrainians to throw everything they had at Robotyne. Victory and reaching the sea of Azov was just a forgone conclusion. The Ukrainians at some point supposedly explained that they had to keep committing forces in the east rather than feed everything into Robotyne because if they didn't do that, they could lose the war.

The Ukrainian military and the US military finally had it out in a meeting in August in Poland. The US was demanding (General Milley) that the Ukrainians concentrate everything for a breakthrough at Robotyne. Zaluzhny explained that a breakthrough was impossible. General Milley didn't agree.

My impression is that the US military was completely unreasonable in their requests and that what they were telling the Ukrainians to do would not work. The Ukrainians could not directly say "no" to them, so instead they started demanding things like F-16s. They knew of course that F-16s would make practical difference, but that the discussion of them would divert US attention away from US battlefield strategy demands.

Overall I would say that the US military in Ukraine is showing levels of incompetence not seen since the early 1960s in South Vietnam. As in South Vietnam, the US military is full of bad ideas and sees the main problem as being that the Ukrainians are not just blindly following their instructions.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I'm not sure what happened to this Arestovich guy but he truly gets it now. I still get a weird vibe from him but he gets it. This would cause many heads to explode if it got the attention it deserves. Yeah, subtitles but still...

 

[Radola Gajda]

Is Europe still dependent on Russian gas for heating? Last winter there were talks of massive steps to reduce energy consumption but I don't think nothing ever came of it, and there wasn't a huge death count from the cold

Da . We just buy it from middle man.I still remember self-masturbatory propaganda poster from last year how our brave PM saved us from evil Russian gas by importing gas from countries that dont produce any.



And energy costs keep rising.

 

[Male Idiot]

The initial US plan was for mine-clearing equipment to open up narrow roads for the Bradleys and Leapords south toward Robotyne. The armored vehicles would then charge south overrunning everything in their path.

.... what? They didn't realise that would make a killbox for an enemy with artillery? After they had been yelling loudly about the counteroffensyv for months and giving the ruskies months to prepare?

Da . We just buy it from middle man.I still remember self-masturbatory propaganda poster from last year how our brave PM saved us from evil Russian gas by importing gas from countries that dont produce any.



And energy costs keep rising.

Do redeem good sirs, India very happy!

 

[Echo_Ender]

Overall I would say that the US military in Ukraine is showing levels of incompetence not seen since the early 1960s in South Vietnam. As in South Vietnam, the US military is full of bad ideas and sees the main problem as being that the Ukrainians are not just blindly following their instructions.

I can't tell if it's just incompetence, them wanting a win without giving a shit about Ukie casualties, or actively trying to make Ukraine lose so they can stop funding the war at this point.

Ukie: "What are your orders, General?"
General Zap Brannigan Miley: "Well Kiff Vlad, we're going to charge across that giant minefield, through the overlapping fields of fire the enemy has set up!

These smokescreens should hide us from their thermal scopes, and our armored vehicles should protect us from their anti-tank missiles!"

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Overall I would say that the US military in Ukraine is showing levels of incompetence not seen since the early 1960s in South Vietnam. As in South Vietnam, the US military is full of bad ideas and sees the main problem as being that the Ukrainians are not just blindly following their instructions.

At this point I wouldn't be shocked if Ukrainians will, in a few years' time, want revenge on the Americans that lied and misled them like this as more comes out. Scorpion and the frog moment right here US will blame zelensky and the Ukrainians for everything once the dust settles its infuriating to know these people will never be held accountable for their retardation and delusions

 

[Sir Joahim Browinson III]

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>the russians already new where the counter attack would come in February(LMAO)
its probably all that stupid marvel posting and hype only just solidified the MoDs assumtions

Ukrainians are absolutely fucking obsessed with making psyops. Their entire shtick this whole campaign was to shitpost furiously online with their botnets and trying to do some terrorism behind the frontline. Not to actually achieve something, but too inconvenience and harm those moskals in the most petty way and then sniff their own farts about how heckin' smart they are.
They probably already surpassed Indians in terms of how many scam callers they have. And not to even mention the ammount of wikipedia edits they make.

But even with all this, they are still loosing the ground war and it gets even worse because messing with people don't stop them from shooting at you.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

I don't remember seeing anything about those "MCLCs" in use, so maybe the Ukrops just cba to use them. Or maybe they are just yet another shite and useless piece of equipment?

It needs to be launched off a trailer towed by a lightly armored tracked vehicle, which means if you're go in guns blazing and clear a line for yourself you have to somehow prevent aerial recon from seeing your Bradley or M113 towing a launcher unit, and prevent it from being destroyed while it's doing it's thing.

Also the mine clearing charge doesn't reliably destroy all mines.

Also it only clears a path like 7-10 meters wide and 100 meters long. So to penetrate into a half kilometer minefield you need at least 5 of them in a row, and then you'll be driving your tanks down a 7 meter wide aisle praying the lead tank doesn't get hit with a Krasnopol and turn your "no mines zone" into a killbox no worse than if you were driving butt to nut down a road in a convoy.

If you intend to use it to uhhhhh "quietly" blast yourself a path through the minefield while your enemies are watching - then good luck I guess, lmao.

 

[Male Idiot]

They likely truly believed all russians were drunk, and none of them would see that tank conga line and minesweeping on satellites, drones or just a binocular. And even of they could, drunk igor couldn't hit them due to being drunk.

They obviously don't know the ork tactic of more dakka, which means even inaccurate guns will hit if you fire enough of them.

 

[Greggs]

This conflict is so boring, could you just seize Kiev already so we can cash our EIFs

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

I can't tell if it's just incompetence, them wanting a win without giving a shit about Ukie casualties, or actively trying to make Ukraine lose so they can stop funding the war at this point.

Ukie: "What are your orders, General?"
General Zap Brannigan Miley: "Well Kiff Vlad, we're going to charge across that giant minefield, through the overlapping fields of fire the enemy has set up!

These smokescreens should hide us from their thermal scopes, and our armored vehicles should protect us from their anti-tank missiles!"

Rule for rebels, accuse your enemy of what you are doing.
Obama gave Russia Crimea, now b*den is finishing the job. and even then, Trump is the Russian asset.

 

[Adjeesh Dickshit]

- The Ukrainians had to move and fire more as maneuver warfare called for. How exactly they were supposed to move and fire on narrow paths through minefields under the observation of the Russians on the high ground all around them is not explained.
- They should have used more smoke to cover their nine-mile advance through fixed paths cleared through minefields.
- The soldiers sent for NATO training were too young and too inexperienced to fight afterward in the offensive.
- "The US concluded that the problem was Ukraine falling short in basic military tactics such as understanding the density of minefields."
- The Ukrainians gave up the original plan too early out of concerns about losses.

The Ukrainian military and the US military finally had it out in a meeting in August in Poland. The US was demanding (General Milley) that the Ukrainians concentrate everything for a breakthrough at Robotyne. Zaluzhny explained that a breakthrough was impossible. General Milley didn't agree.

Lol how were they genuinely meant to do that? Ukraine's resources are very much finite. It has only got so much stockpiled. It only has so many men in its army. Imagine if they sent however many thousands of extra men to actively fire at Russian defences, disregarding bunker fortifications, exhaust all their bullets, artillery and explosives in a bloodier version of the Somme and be later mowed down in their high densities. Well, if they could even muster the men to the frontlines to begin with. Logistics are stretched so thin already. Depots are great targets as is. Imagine how many Russian drones could get to target as the bazillion extra men the US wanted need to be able to fight. Ukraine would lose its fighting capabilities immediately just to get past fortifications that Russians could replicate further away and could easily divert resources to.

 

[The Ugly One]

Overall I would say that the US military in Ukraine is showing levels of incompetence not seen since the early 1960s in South Vietnam. As in South Vietnam, the US military is full of bad ideas and sees the main problem as being that the Ukrainians are not just blindly following their instructions.

We haven't seen ideas this bad since the early phases of WWII. The sooner the Ukies realize that Washington doesn't care if every last one of them dies so long as we get a fancy new naval base on the Black Sea, the better.

 

[Susanna]

We haven't seen ideas this bad since the early phases of WWII. The sooner the Ukies realize that Washington doesn't care if every last one of them dies so long as we get a fancy new naval base on the Black Sea, the better.

Oh, I don't know that it's that bad yet.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Captured Bradley on Russian 1TV

https://www.1tv.ru/news/2023-12-05/466450-podrobnosti_istorii_o_tom_kak_rossiyskie_boytsy_uveli_bmp_bradley_pryamo_iz_pod_nosa_boevikov

Edit: Images of it being taken from the TG account Работайте, братья!
Бедная "Бредли", которую бросили ее бывшие нерадивые хозяева
Хорошо, что ее приютили заботливые русские



Comment: Poor "Bradley" who was abandoned by her former negligent owners
Good thing she was taken in by caring Russians.

I have an archive of the 1TV clip but video uploads crap out atm