Science The ‘I do’ that leads to DNA dilemma - Almost half of Pakistani women are married to their first cousins, according to the Pakistan demographic and health survey.

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The ‘I do’ that leads to DNA dilemma

Almost half of Pakistani women are married to their first cousins, according to the Pakistan demographic and health survey.

Wara Irfan Published December 4, 2023

“I just want to have a normal child,” said 30-year-old Shazia from Jhelum. She had travelled miles across the country in the quest for a baby that would survive beyond the age of seven.

Married to her second cousin, she has experienced two miscarriages, one induced abortion, and the loss of two children who died at the ages of seven and three.

Sitting inside the air-conditioned room in one of the biggest hospitals in Karachi, Shazia looked visibly anxious. Accompanied by her sister on this long journey to the genetic counselling clinic, she shared her woes.

“All of my children die,” she said. “They appear normal during the pregnancy stage, but six months after their birth, they start exhibiting signs of abnormality and experience intense pain before passing away.”

After the birth of her first two children, who endured a life of agony, she made the difficult decision to terminate her third pregnancy, fearing another child might suffer the same fate. Following this, her next two pregnancies ended in miscarriages.

Shazia’s husband is her mother’s first cousin. Similar to many consanguineous families, hers has a prevalence of cancers among its members.

Consanguinity involves the mating between “two individuals characterised by the sharing of a common ancestor(s)”, increasing the likelihood that a child will inherit two copies of the same disease.

Simply put, we each have two copies of every gene, inherited from both our parents. If both the mother and father possess a flawed copy of a gene, the likelihood of the child inheriting both defective copies increases. Since family members share similar genes, the chances of the child receiving these faulty gene copies also rise.

Shazia visited Aga Khan University Hospital (AKUH) to inquire about the possibility of having a healthy baby in her next pregnancy. Her optimism is not unfounded because, even when both parents carry the same recessive disorder, meaning they have a faulty copy of a gene without it manifesting as an illness, the probability of their child inheriting both faulty copies is 25 per cent — there remains a 3/4th chance that their child will be healthy, albeit potentially a carrier.

Autosomal recessive disorders

Autosomal recessive disorders are a specific type of condition where both parents are carriers. “Everyone is a carrier of something or the other,” explained Dr Salman Kirmani, Chair and Associate Professor in the Division of Women and Child Health and a geneticist at AKUH.

“On average, it is believed that a human being is a carrier of two or three different diseases, but they may not be aware of it. Marrying within the family increases the likelihood of carriers coming together compared to marrying outside,” he added.
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This doesn’t imply that if you have four children, one will have the disease, one will be entirely healthy, and two will be carriers. Instead, it signifies that each time fertilisation occurs — during conception — there is a 25pc chance of an unaffected child, a 25pc chance of an affected child, and a 50pc chance of a child being a carrier. Each of these probabilities is independently applicable every time fertilisation takes place.

This phenomenon explains why certain genetic diseases, such as thalassemia, cystic fibrosis, and spinal muscular atrophy (SMA), are more prevalent in Pakistan compared to Western countries, given our high consanguinity rate.

As Shazia’s children have all passed away, it is challenging to determine whether the condition they suffered from was indeed genetic. She is not the only one facing this predicament.

According to the Pakistan Demographic and Health Survey 2017-18, almost half of the women between the ages of 15 and 49 in Pakistan reported marrying their first cousins.
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These numbers don’t account for people within the same community. For example, Dr Kirmani mentioned, “If you ask a couple who come from a particular community, they may say, we don’t marry our cousins. But because they are a small, close-knit community, they share common ancestors.”

Another common practice is people marrying within the same caste, thereby perpetuating generations of consanguinity. “In Pakistan, there are geographically isolated villages where members frequently marry their first cousins for generations.”

Akin to Shazia, Akbar and Fatima walked into the genetic counselling clinic with their two children, aged three and one. Both boys exhibited stunted growth and delayed motor responses compared to average children their ages.

The parents’ mothers were siblings, making them first cousins. They were also related on their paternal side, further increasing the consanguinity level between the two.

Concerned about the health of their next child, they came to the clinic hoping to discover ways to reduce the risks of abnormalities in future pregnancies.

This wasn’t the first time they sought medical advice. They had previously consulted a doctor in Lahore who simply attributed their situation to “cousin marriage,” placing the blame squarely on their decisions.

However, dismissing the sociocultural context that contributes to cousin marriages and laying blame solely on individuals is unfair.

The blame game

Dr Kirmani strongly believes that consanguineous unions are often subjected to oversimplified criticism instead of nuanced analysis.

“In educated circles in Pakistan, especially among doctors, there is often a strong stance against cousin marriages. Couples are made to feel guilty, as if ‘you married your cousin, so this happened,’” he said.

“How heartless is that?” he exclaimed. “If I were to conduct a lecture with a hundred doctors in attendance, and I asked how many of them are married to their cousins or have parents who are cousins, half the room would likely raise their hands. Some might be so embarrassed that they wouldn’t even raise their hand.”

Consanguinity is so “culturally ingrained” in our society, he pointed out, that it does not make sense to attack individual choices.

People assume that Dr Kirmani would be more against cousin unions as he is a geneticist. However, he believes that marriage between a man and a woman is their business. “I, as a doctor or any government or religious person, should not influence what they decide to do. The basic principle here is autonomy.”

Certainly, there are risks, and doctors should educate people about them. However, it’s crucial to understand that even in a non-consanguineous union, there is a “one or two per cent chance of birth defects.” There is also always a chance that someone outside one’s family could be a carrier of a faulty gene.

Many advocate for laws prohibiting cousin marriages. In fact, in Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, provincial assemblies passed a law a decade ago making thalassemia testing compulsory for married couples.

However, like other laws, this one not only lacks enforcement but also doesn’t consider potential adverse consequences, particularly for marginalised groups. “Let’s suppose a man and a woman [in a village or a close community] get the test done, and they both turn out to be positive,” says Dr Kirmani. “There are preparations for the wedding at home, everything is happening — now what? Will you say, ‘Go your separate ways’?”

Moreover, there are no strict measures in place to keep such information confidential. “In our society, everything is often blamed on the woman, and nothing is kept private.” If the couple decides to not proceed with their union, the man is more likely to find a partner outside the family “without ever disclosing that he is a carrier”, while the woman would be “condemned in the whole community in the village that ‘iska khoon kharab hai, isse shaadi nahi karna [her blood is bad, don’t marry her]’.”

Given the potentially dire consequences of population testing, laws regarding genetic testing must be carefully considered, taking local contexts into account. Furthermore, such laws also tend to increase distrust of the medical community among groups in a society that already harbours mistrust for doctors, argued Dr Kirmani.

On one hand, “we can’t have a purely medical viewpoint and say that ‘it is stupidity, why should we let our nation do stupid things, we should enforce [laws] because people don’t have a mind of their own.’ On the other hand, we shouldn’t have a purely cultural standpoint that ‘since it is part of our culture, we should not talk about it’,” he said.
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Educating people about the risks also comes with its own challenges. “How do you explain a disease to the couple they have never seen or witnessed? How will you truly educate them and present them with an accurate picture so they can make an informed decision?” he asked.

He finds it easy to counsel people when the disease runs in the family because those individuals have witnessed the negative impacts of the illness closely.

However, it becomes challenging when doctors must be aware of the socioeconomic disparities between their patients. “I can’t have double standards, telling someone from an educated family in Defence to ‘get this $500 test done, you will know all the diseases, then it’s your choice.’ But if I go into a [rural] community, I say ‘Khabardar! Cousin marriage nahi karna [Don’t you dare marry your cousin].’ I have to maintain the same standard.”

The good, the bad and the ugly

To further complicate the issue, Dr Kirmani pointed to some perceived ‘benefits’ of consanguineous unions. “Imagine you are a parent living in a remote area. You know all the boys because they are from your family. If you want to marry outside the family, then you will have to marry [someone that lives] like 200 km away from your own village.”

“Once that marriage is done, your daughter is gone, and you won’t be able to see her at all.” The “desire to keep the child close” prompts people to marry their children to relatives. Secondly, different villages have different customs, and some parents worry about the potential treatment of their daughter in a distant household that differs from their own.

Furthermore, studies have found that “being married to a first cousin on either the father’s or mother’s side was associated with a decreased likelihood of abuse when compared with another relationship” in Pakistan.

This perception encourages parents to marry their daughters to close relatives in the hope that if a conflict arises, they would be able to easily intervene.

In 2019, The BMJ medical journal reported the case of Javed Tahir in Islamabad, who has suffered from muscular dystrophy since childhood. The genetic condition, which ran in his family, would “lead to total paralysis” gradually. Tahir, committed to breaking the tradition, wanted to be the first in his family to marry outside.

He looked for a partner outside their family for a decade but was unsuccessful due to his condition — leading to him eventually marrying his own cousin.

Situations like Tahir’s illustrate that often it is difficult, even impossible, for individuals to break the cycle.

Similarly, women in rural areas with limited interactions with men outside their families reduce their chances of meeting potential suitors who are not related to them.

The risks surrounding cousin marriages can be understood against this backdrop. For instance, consider a family with a history of thalassemia. They had a baby who died at the age of 10 due to complications of thalassemia, as most children in this country do not survive between 10 and 20 years of age.

“Now they want to have another child. You test them and find out that they are carriers. Then you inform them that their child would have a 25pc chance of having the disease,” said Dr Kirmani.

As a doctor, he can offer them a prenatal diagnosis. Prenatal diagnosis occurs when the woman becomes “pregnant naturally and carries the pregnancy through with routine procedures until about 12 or 13 weeks of gestation.” At 12 weeks, doctors can perform a test called Chorionic villus sampling (CVS), and at 14 weeks, they can conduct another test called amniocentesis.

“Amniocentesis involves sampling the amniotic fluid around the baby, while CVS entails taking a small biopsy of the placenta, where the blood mixes between the mother and the baby. But it has baby tissue, so the baby’s DNA can be extracted out of it. The purpose of both is to retrieve the baby’s DNA.”

The extracted DNA is then examined for common genetic diseases, such as thalassemia in this case. If there is a 75pc chance that the gene for it is not inherited, the parents can be reassured, and they can choose to continue the pregnancy. However, if the 25pc chance results in a positive diagnosis for the illness, what options do the parents have?

“There is no treatment [for thalassemia]. So, their options are that they can terminate the pregnancy … It’s a personal choice,” the geneticist said.

“You can’t go on a warpath, telling parents they should suffer the consequences because they were ‘stupid’ enough to take this chance. Offer them options. Don’t dictate to them, saying, ‘You must terminate’ or ‘Oh no, it’s really wrong to terminate’. Put the options in front of them. Help them decide. This is called ‘shared decision-making’ in medical terms. Share their burden so that they don’t feel guilty.”

He went on to say that there is a great sense of guilt and responsibility, especially for mothers who often blame themselves, thinking it’s their fault or that something went wrong during the pregnancy. For both medical and ethical reasons, it is a sound decision for diseases associated with suffering, misery, pain, and a shortened life or an extremely low quality of life. Thalassemia indeed fits into that category.

In other countries, including neighbouring Iran, the survival rate has gone up to 40 or even 50 years of age, thanks to the availability of resources. “Our survival is not beyond 20, and it’s 20 miserable years of blood transfusion every two weeks,” lamented Dr Kirmani.

“If you go to any thalassemia centre, you will see something akin to an international airport. There would be a big lounge where 25 to 50 children would be sitting and watching television while receiving blood transfusions. Often, these kids become iron-overloaded, leading to major complications affecting their hearts and all their internal organs. It is a horrible existence. They cannot attend school regularly because they are constantly stuck in this cycle. It is a never-ending cycle once it begins.”

Thalassemia centres have more of a “petrol pump” approach, transfusing blood for any and every reason. The medicines to reduce iron levels are also very expensive and have various side effects.

Blood transfusion at Sundas Foundation Centre on the World Thalassaemia Day — APP/File
“It takes a lot of resources, a lot of time, and completely shatters their quality of life — yet [the children] still die. They die [after living] a very poor existence,” he added.
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Even though there is now a cure for it abroad — a bone marrow transplant — it is extremely expensive and inaccessible for most in Pakistan. There are 10 million β-thalassemia carriers in the country and around 5,000 children are diagnosed with thalassemia every year.

“How many of them can receive this treatment?” the doctor asked, rhetorically.

Costs and treatments aside, it is an extremely painful experience for the parents, leading them into an “endless cycle of poverty” where, for 20 or so years, they are “financially and emotionally devastated. They have to compromise for the other children in the house because the mother cannot pay attention to them, and the father has to earn for the endless transfusions.”

He pointed towards the immense lack of awareness since these parents do engage with doctors, but no one effectively counsels them to prevent having more children with the disease. “We have seen two or three kids [with the disease] in the same family.”

“If they [people] are not listening to you, why are they not trusting you?” he asked the medical professionals. “Talk to the moulvis, talk to the community leaders, do the outreach. If we sit in our crystal palaces and imagine that we are the educated and they don’t know what they are doing, this cycle will continue.”

The $2 million cure

Similar to Thalassemia, Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) poses a unique set of challenges to the Pakistani population due to its frequent occurrence as well as “limited resources and access to healthcare” in the country.

Even though it is a common disease in Pakistan, it seldom gets the attention it deserves. “It does not get the visibility of thalassemia because instead of 20 years, you die within two years of age.”

In SMA, the child is born healthy, but by six months of age, “parents realize that something is wrong.”

“The [baby] is not moving its head, it’s not moving its limbs, and it slowly loses power in its muscles, it stops breathing, or it has very shallow breathing, it can’t swallow, so it starts swallowing the milk that goes down its lungs, they get pneumonia, and it dies,” said Dr Kirmani.

The doctor has seen multiple families where two or three children suffer from SMA.

He proceeded to show me the first gene therapy vial for the disease in the world, framed in his office.

Novartis, an multinational company launched a “managed access programme” where essentially they would provide a hundred doses of the treatment around the world, given how expensive it is. The Zolgensma (onasemnogene abeparvovec) treatment costs a whopping $2.1 million.

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The Zolgensma treatment adminstered by Dr Salman Kirmani — Author

“They didn’t call it a lottery because they couldn’t. But that is what it was. Every doctor worldwide who has a patient enters their patient’s details and everything. After every two weeks, the lottery comes out. And the one whose name is selected gets the dose.

Dr Kirmani entered 50 names in the ‘lottery,’ but only five of them got the dose. The other 45 children passed away.

“Parents used to call and ask, ‘Doctor sahab, did we get our name in the lucky draw or not?’”

Waiting is a fatal process for most. He called two families to congratulate them that their child’s name was selected and to bring the child. The parents told him that the baby died a week prior.

“Can you imagine getting that phone call?” he asked.

Considering the dire consequences and the harsh reality of these illnesses, the debate surrounding consanguinity becomes even more intricate. On one hand, the principle of individual autonomy is paramount; on the other, the lack of resources for the majority of the country’s population cannot be disregarded.

Nevertheless, in light of the ineffectiveness of laws and policies in Pakistan, the issue cannot be simplified or resolved with a broad stroke of universal bans. A collective effort is needed, involving medical professionals, religious scholars, and local communities, to engage with each other and come up with pragmatic and realistic solutions that consider the practical challenges faced by the majority of people in the country.

Perhaps, only then we can prevent many others like Shazia from pleading to have a healthy child.


Header image: Microsoft Bing’s Image Creator

The author is a KAS-Dawn.com media fellow, interested in the intersection of gender, visual cultures and lived experiences.
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Ah yes, lets waste MILLIONS of dollars on expensive gene therapy treatments for shitty mudslime children who will always be fucked up and flawed, because for some reason Pakistanis want to marry and fuck each other like they're Habsburg royalty instead of just, you know, NOT marrying your first cousins.
 
“In Pakistan, there are geographically isolated villages where members frequently marry their first cousins for generations.”
“Imagine you are a parent living in a remote area. You know all the boys because they are from your family. If you want to marry outside the family, then you will have to marry [someone that lives] like 200 km away from your own village.”
Similarly, women in rural areas with limited interactions with men outside their families reduce their chances of meeting potential suitors who are not related to them.
Lol, blaming it on remote villages. Pakistani women will travel all the way to Western countries to claim asylum and live there for months/years while their claim is processed, then the moment they have legal status they fly back to Pakistan to marry their cousins and try to get pregnant as quickly as possible, and then come back again to give birth so the cousband can obtain a visa on the grounds that he's the father of a citizen.
 
Lol, blaming it on remote villages. Pakistani women will travel all the way to Western countries to claim asylum and live there for months/years while their claim is processed, then the moment they have legal status they fly back to Pakistan to marry their cousins and try to get pregnant as quickly as possible, and then come back again to give birth so the cousband can obtain a visa on the grounds that he's the father of a citizen.
 
because for some reason Pakistanis want to marry and fuck each other like they're Habsburg royalty instead of just, you know, NOT marrying your first cousins.
Well, apparently, it's easier to marry a cousin than find a guy who won't beat you:
Furthermore, studies have found that “being married to a first cousin on either the father’s or mother’s side was associated with a decreased likelihood of abuse when compared with another relationship” in Pakistan.

This perception encourages parents to marry their daughters to close relatives in the hope that if a conflict arises, they would be able to easily intervene.
But remember, we should respect their culture.
 
People assume that Dr Kirmani would be more against cousin unions as he is a geneticist. However, he believes that marriage between a man and a woman is their business.
It's not "their" business, it's their parents' business. Parents of the bride want to keep the money in the family because Pakis are savages:

At over 2000 dowry-related deaths per year, and annual rates exceeding 2.45 deaths per 100,000 women from dowry-related violence, Pakistan has the highest reported number of dowry death rates per 100,000 women in the world.​

edit: ⏰'d by @Coo Coo Bird
 
This is one of the reasons I don't see Islam as a desirable replacement for Clown World
Besides spergs like Tate or some overzealous reverts nobody is asking for that.
Muslim states are as diverse as it gets. You won't find these practices in Bosnia for example, but the more Central Asia or Africa you go the more lunacy you find.
Ethnicity and tribe are still at the basis of this shit. Just like with Ottomans normalizing homosexuality with young boys, just like with Afghans doing their bachabazi idiocy.
You would probably get stoned to death for this shit in Saudi Arabia or any actually Islamic, sharia country.
The marriage thing is the consequence of Muhammad deciding that he should have opinions on everything under the sun and failing, as we didn't have genetics back then. The Islamic jurisprudence generally says these marriages are allowed, but not recommended. Similar to how it's allowed to eat pork to survive, or use dirt/sand instead of water to clean yourself before prayer if no water is available. It's a pretty flimsy argument and the tribal dudes will just shrug and fuck their cousins cause whatever, who cares.
And then they wonder why Islam is no longer an empire.
 
And then they wonder why Islam is no longer an empire.
On that topic, I recently came across this video by an Arab Ex-Muslim about how Muslims view White people:


TL;DW: Muslims have a weird relationship with White people where they view them as degenerate, subhuman infidels, but also recognize that White people have dominated Muslims and the rest of the world culturally, academically, and technologically for centuries at this point. Because of this in the event that a White person (specifically a Westerner, they don’t care about Bosnians or Chechens) converts to Islam, they immediately become something of a celebrity.


Another video I watched corroborates that mentality. The video is about an Australian NEET who converted to Islam and joined ISIS and ISIS immediately used him as propaganda, even promoting that he was so much more ready for jihad and devoted to their cause than Arabs who had been devout Muslims for their entire lives. Ironically, he went on to die in a suicide bombing that killed zero people other than himself.
 
I’ve long thought it fascinating that the WEIRDness of Europeans compared to everywhere else on earth may come down to a power struggle between the 6th century Church and political rulers in Europe.

By obsessing over and forbidding cousin marriage, the church aimed to break up kin-based power centres that might oppose them. And in doing so forged the individualistic, institution-building Western Europeans.


How the early Christian church gave birth to today's WEIRD Europeans

Centuries-old incest ban made Westerners more independent and trusting of strangers, study argues

In September 506 C.E., the fathers of what would later become the Roman Catholic Church gathered in southern France to draw up dozens of new laws. Some forbade clergy from visiting unrelated women. Others forbade Christians from marrying anyone more closely related than their third cousin. The authors of a sweeping new study say that last, seemingly trivial prohibition may have given birth to Western civilization as we know it.
"If the authors are right, or even in the vicinity of being right, it couldn't be bigger," says Stephen Stich, a philosopher and cognitive scientist at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, who wasn't involved in the work. "What they are offering to explain is the emergence of democratic institutions, of individualism in the West."
The church's early ban on incest and cousin marriage, the researchers say, weakened the tight kinship structures that had previously defined European populations, fostering new streaks of independence, nonconformity, and a willingness to work with strangers. And as the church's influence spread, those qualities blossomed into a suite of psychological traits common today across Western industrialized nations, they argue.
"They're looking at what created the modern Western world," Stich says.
Before the Middle Ages, Europe was similar to other agrarian societies around the world: Extended kin networks were the glue that held everything together. Growing crops and protecting land required cooperation, and marrying cousins was an easy way to get it, explains Harvard University anthropologist and study co-author Joseph Henrich. Cousin marriages were even actively promoted in some societies because they kept wealth concentrated in powerful families.
But sometime around the sixth century C.E., the early church started to formulate strict marriage rules and become "obsessed" with incest, Henrich says. Historians aren't sure why, although some religious thinkers of the time connected incest with the spread of the plague.

Lesser prohibitions against incest were already swirling around Europe when the church fathers formalized their marriage and family program. The new regulations prohibited people from marrying their first and second cousins and banned the practice of levirate marriage, in which a widow must marry her dead husband's brother. "That part of a wedding where the officiant asks, ‘Does anybody here have any objections?' goes back to the church asking, ‘Does anybody here know if these people are cousins?'" Henrich says.​

Centuries living under these restrictions fundamentally reshaped European societies' kinship structure—and their psychology, the authors say. Traditional kin networks stressed the moral value of obeying one's elders, for example. But when the church forced people to marry outside this network, traditional values broke down, allowing new ones to pop up: individualism, nonconformity, and less bias toward one's in-group.
"These are things that don't come to mind when you think about the influence of the Catholic Church," Stich says, which may explain why nobody had previously connected the church's influence with the emergence Western psychology.
Working under the assumption that more time spent under church rule would ingrain those values more deeply, the researchers compared psychological and kinship traits of modern populations with the time their ancestors spent under Roman Catholic rule. The researchers built a vast database from historical records of church exposure in every nation on Earth, beginning in the first century and ending in 1500 C.E., when European society had become nearly fully Christianized.
Next, they consulted anthropological data to assign a kinship intensity score to each of the world's major ethnolinguistic groups. This score was based on historical rates of cousin marriage, polygamy, and other factors. Finally, they drew on dozens of studies that used established psychological measures such as the World Values Survey to determine modern population-level scores for traits such as individualism, creativity, nonconformity, obedience, and ingroup/outgroup trust. (Two of the more unorthodox measures of obedience and outgroup trust, for example, were unpaid parking tickets issued to United Nations diplomats and participation in blood donation drives.)
Plotting these points together, they found that the longer a population spent under the rule of the Roman Catholic Church, the lower its kinship intensity score, meaning lower rates of cousin marriage and polygamy and looser familial and clan structures. And as kinship intensity drops off in their data, a certain suite of traits grows stronger, including individualism, nonconformity, and willingness to trust and help strangers, the researchers report today in Science.
This constellation of traits lines up with the dominant psychological profile of people living in Western, educated, industrialized, rich, and democratic countries—what Henrich and others have labeled WEIRD societies. The upshot, Henrich says, is that the church's prohibitions against marrying close relatives weakened Europe's traditional kinship networks and inadvertently replaced them with something very close to modern Western civilization's cultural customs and norms. It also reinforces the notion that studying the behavior of people in WEIRD countries is not the same thing as studying human behavior more broadly, Henrich adds.
The traits identified in the study may also have paved the way for democratic governance. "You need a civic society to sustain democracy, and what we look at in our paper is, I believe, a precursor for such a civic society," says co-author Jonathan Schulz, an economist at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. "It's individualistic people who work together and cooperate across family boundaries."
Ara Norenzayan, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, who collaborated with Henrich on studies of WEIRD societies but who wasn't involved with this study, says the work is convincing. "When you start to erode family ties, you have to evolve to find other ways to keep your society structured," he says. "It does make sense."
Although the model is "incredible in its scope," says Michele Gelfand, a cultural psychologist at the University of Maryland in College Park, it still hasn't shown that the church actually caused the development of WEIRD psychology. Other institutions also helped shape the Western world, she says. "There are a lot of open questions."
*Correction, 8 November, 11:15 a.m.: An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that Michele Gelfand suggested educational systems as another potential causative factor for WEIRD societies.
 
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A thing that is hardly talked about middle easterners is the large amount of tards they produce thanks to all the incest. Sadly, they carry this no matter where they go and there's plenty of sand people who are paying the price of their ancestors literally fucking each other as they deal with genetic defects.

This is one of the reasons I don't see Islam as a desirable replacement for Clown World
I see it more as chemo to kill off the clownworld cancer as Islam is a critical flaw to the woke ideology pervasive today. That said, there's gonna be a huge shitshow after clownworld dies a screaming death when dealing with after-effects.
 
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A thing that is hardly talked about middle easterners is the large amount of tards they produce thanks to all the incest. Sadly, they carry this no matter where they go and there's plenty of sand people who are paying the price of their ancestors literally fucking each other as they deal with genetic defects.


I see it more as chemo to kill off the clownworld cancer as Islam is a critical flaw to the woke ideology pervasive today. That said, there's gonna be a huge shitshow after clownworld dies a screaming death when dealing with after-effects.
I was laughing at the blue hairs listening to tik tok Bin Laden messages and suddenly picking up the Koran. They are posting videos of themselves really getting into Islam and musing about taking up the religion.

They know their degenerate lifestyles are empty but the can’t turn to Christianity and let Racist Uncle Randy win.

So, looking for structure and tradition they are coming for Islam. It’s going to be fascinating to watch.
 
Ah yes, lets waste MILLIONS of dollars on expensive gene therapy treatments for shitty mudslime children who will always be fucked up and flawed, because for some reason Pakistanis want to marry and fuck each other like they're Habsburg royalty instead of just, you know, NOT marrying your first cousins.
Cousin marriages are forced upon women in the middle east for a couple of reasons:

1. As someone already said, it "keeps the family fortune inside the family" as far as making sure an outsider doesn't marry into a family for wealth and decide to cut off the family he marries into financially (whereas a cousin would be expected to keep allowing other family members access to the family's wealth)

2. It's a cheap and easy way to marry off unwanted daughters and provide male family members who were not planned pregnancies a spouse since oftentimes only the first born son counts and any male children after that are basically a burden to the family.
 
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