2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict: Official Mass Debates Edition

Who do you support?

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Random Internet Person said:
Yeah, things could really go tits up.
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Oh please.
Nothing would go busted because of anti-Semitism. Ukraine functions even with 25% occupied territory. Armenia functions. Arab countries function. Many are now indisputably richer than the West.
Bigotry doesn't collapse a society. Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza just fucking fine.
Also your meme doesn't fit cause I have no ideology, basically
 
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I wonder if the pro-zionist crowd on the farms will ever realize that many Israelis openly despise Nethanyahu's government for dragging them into a war to save its own skin.
In that sense, you don't support Israel, you support a clique of megalomaniacal psychopaths because the liberals are supporting Hamas (because all Gazans are Hamas in practice) and therefore you must unconditionally champion whatever opinion is assigned to your political group, no matter how full of shit it is.
 
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Omnium Ultimatus said:
I wonder if the pro-zionist crowd on the farms will ever realize that many Israelis openly despise Nethanyahu's government for dragging them into a war to save its own skin.
In that sense, you don't support Israel, you support a clique of megalomaniacal psychopaths because the liberals are supporting Hamas (because all Gazans are Hamas in practice) and therefore you must unconditionally champion whatever opinion is assigned to your political group, no matter how full of shit it is.
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I think for Zionists abroad, Israel is bigger than one leader. But yeah, Ben is really struggling.
 
Omnium Ultimatus said:
I wonder if the pro-zionist crowd on the farms will ever realize that many Israelis openly despise Nethanyahu's government for dragging them into a war to save its own skin.
In that sense, you don't support Israel, you support a clique of megalomaniacal psychopaths because the liberals are supporting Hamas (because all Gazans are Hamas in practice) and therefore you must unconditionally champion whatever opinion is assigned to your political group, no matter how full of shit it is.
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Random Internet Person said:
I think for Zionists abroad, Israel is bigger than one leader. But yeah, Ben is really struggling.
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Weren't there recent polls in Israel that majority support the IDF going full TOTAL PALLY DEATH over there?

Bibi found the perfect distraction, lets kill some muzzies this time but also this time, we gonna annex everything.

AgendaPoster said:
Nothing would go busted because of anti-Semitism. Ukraine functions even with 25% occupied territory. Armenia functions. Arab countries function. Many are now indisputably richer than the West.
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Somalia functions.

And it functioned better unironically under Islamic loonies than it does under its current Globohomo appointed government that only runs just the small rich part of Modagishu.

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Sweden has to be the most batshit of them all.

Raping a indigenous Swedish woman is pretty much okay with their government.

Raping a foreign Israeli woman whether in Sweden or Israel is pretty much not okay with their government.
 
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MrJokerRager said:
Weren't there recent polls in Israel that majority support the IDF going full TOTAL PALLY DEATH over there?

Bibi found the perfect distraction, lets kill some muzzies this time but also this time, we gonna annex everything.
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Yeah, that’s what I’ve heard. The only thing is that while most allies want just Hamas eliminated, Israel seems to want the whole region to be glassed.
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Somalia functions.

And it functioned better unironically under Islamic loonies than it does under its current Globohomo appointed government that only runs just the small rich part of Modagishu.
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So that’s what the line of conflicts are.
 
AgendaPoster said:
Why?
What's in it for you, specifically?
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Palestine’s history is riddled with communism, and still aligns with countries that are hostile to the US. Palestine has operated on communist ideals and has yet to get rid of them. Israel was once more socialist, but massively improved once they adopted more capitalist measures. I don’t see any benefit to letting a place like Palestine exist when it is both communist and hostile to all western society. A two state solution was never going to work long term, either, as both Palestine and Israel have operated on the ultimate goal of destroying each other. And, if one side is going to win, I’d rather it be the side that isn’t dependent on hostile countries for water (Palestine was given aid to develop independent water systems by Israel, but decided bombs were a better idea). If Palestine at least was able to develop water and power systems independently of Israel, Israel would have had a much harder time clearing the area. I’d have much more sympathy if they actually made having a functioning society independent of Israel a bigger priority than attempting to end Israel. Israel, resource wise, is mainly good for research and development. Natural resources are a lot more scarce there, and if Palestine takes over, it will turn into another Zimbabwe.
 
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Omnium Ultimatus said:
I wonder if the pro-zionist crowd on the farms will ever realize that many Israelis openly despise Nethanyahu's government for dragging them into a war to save its own skin.
In that sense, you don't support Israel, you support a clique of megalomaniacal psychopaths because the liberals are supporting Hamas (because all Gazans are Hamas in practice) and therefore you must unconditionally champion whatever opinion is assigned to your political group, no matter how full of shit it is.
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Dragging them into a war to save its own skin is a pretty dumb take considering that Bibi is polling around 20 percent and he's politically dead because of this.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
@AgendaPoster thoughts?
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The fuck can I even say. Guardian is OK on the Palestine issue, from a liberal, human rights perspective. Like me, they live on alternate universe where there's hope salvaging international institutions.
It's a pragmatic campaign of displacement and moderate ethnic cleansing. It's basically the most Israel can get away with without the US being put in an even more sensitive position internationally.
The casualties are likely to be underestimated too, because when you demolish an area and push people in smaller and smaller places, when you take over their hospitals, bomb farms, food manufacturing etc., diseases also start to mount up, and without modern medicine and its tools, even what seems to be insignificant can kill the most vulnerable.
Hamas leaders likely had a calculation and expectation this would happen (maybe not at this scale), and cynically imagined that the Arab world might help, or that international pressure would somehow contain Israel and force the country to respect international law. Obviously miscalculated. Arab countries don't want potential terrorists that would allow Israel and US to mount gayops against them, like with Lebanon. And Arab countries don't want Israel to displace the Gazans and annex yet another piece of land with no real cost.
So Palestinians are probably one of the most abandoned groups in history and will make for good tragic stories in the future.
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Palestine’s history is riddled with communism, and still aligns with countries that are hostile to the US. Palestine has operated on communist ideals and has yet to get rid of them. Israel was once more socialist, but massively improved once they adopted more capitalist measures. I don’t see any benefit to letting a place like Palestine exist when it is both communist and hostile to all western society. A two state solution was never going to work long term, either, as both Palestine and Israel have operated on the ultimate goal of destroying each other. And, if one side is going to win, I’d rather it be the side that isn’t dependent on hostile countries for water (Palestine was given aid to develop independent water systems by Israel, but decided bombs were a better idea). If Palestine at least was able to develop water and power systems independently of Israel, Israel would have had a much harder time clearing the area. I’d have much more sympathy if they actually made having a functioning society independent of Israel a bigger priority than attempting to end Israel. Israel, resource wise, is mainly good for research and development. Natural resources are a lot more scarce there, and if Palestine takes over, it will turn into another Zimbabwe.
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IDGAF about Amerimutts triggered by socialism, this is not the Cold War, and I despise neocons with a burning passion.
Hope the Arab world hates you 1M times as much as they do, cause you deserve it.
 
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AgendaPoster said:
IDGAF about Amerimutts triggered by socialism, this is not the Cold War, and I despise neocons with a burning passion.
Hope the Arab world hates you 1M times as much as they do, cause you deserve it.
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You asked for my opinion, and I gave it to you
AgendaPoster said:
Why?
What's in it for you, specifically?
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In all honesty though, isolationism was never an option for the US. It is for Romania, but that’s only because it’s that irrelevant.
 
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N Space said:
Cheaper chips. On a more serious note, the answer is nothing but of course that's the answer for (almost) all kiwis including you.
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Cheaper chips is actually desirable and good and I brought that up about Israel as a positive a number of times too.
I disagree that there's nothing for me though, I stand to profit if these aggressive states are punished and humiliated, cause my country is small and doesn't have military might, so it makes sense to desire international bodies and laws that are working. Also war of aggression, colonialism, annexation are incredibly dangerous and start chain of events, as countries all around the planet notice that the UN is impotent and the US is distant and decaying, so they just get uppity, like Venezuela for example. Or China.
Instability is not profitable for me, basically.
 
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