CN Vice-premier supports Mandarin language learning to go global

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By Zhao Yimeng
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Reuben Kozary (left), a student from Australian National University, receives a certificate of completion after completing the 2023 ANU-ECNU Summer Program.

China will continue to support international Chinese language education to ensure its global development, Vice-Premier Ding Xuexiang said during the World Chinese Language Conference in Beijing on Saturday.

The country should strengthen two-way communication between Chinese and other languages, and support young people from other countries to visit China and experience Chinese culture, Ding said at the conference's plenary session.

The three-day conference, which began on Thursday, had the theme "Chinese for the World, Openness into the Future". It attracted some 2,000 guests from China and abroad, including government officials and experts on Chinese language education.

Several panels and forums discussed issues such as the development of Confucius Institutes and academic systems for international Chinese language education.

The results of international Chinese language study could be seen at the first World Young Sinologists Forum on Thursday, with many foreign attendees able to express themselves fluently in Chinese.

Over the past 10 years, nearly 1,000 overseas students from more than 90 countries had opportunities to study in leading higher education institutions in China through the China Studies Program, an official said during the forum.

The program was launched by the Ministry of Education's Center for Language Education and Cooperation, one of the organizers of the conference.

Jing Wei, the center's deputy director, said a large number of young Sinologists have been cultivated who are proficient in Chinese, familiar with foreign languages and cultures, and actively participate in international academic exchanges and cooperation.

Dario Famularo, an Italian postdoctoral researcher at the Beijing Language and Culture University, said Sinologists help the world better understand China and enhance cultural communication.

People cannot fully understand China through the media and the internet, Famularo said.

"I have a more direct understanding of China after living here for 10 years. You cannot know the real China, both positive and negative aspects, just from watching TV or reading stories online," he said.

Anush Minasyan, an Armenian doctoral candidate at Nankai University in Tianjin, said the Chinese language is well-loved by young people in Armenia. "It is a competitive skill in job seeking," she said.

Nearly 10 years ago, she volunteered to learn Chinese at a Confucius Institute in her country.

"Although my parents were not supportive at that time, I was intrigued by Chinese language and culture," she said.

Now majoring in tourism management, she went to Jiangxi province this year as part of an education program.

"That was a great opportunity for us to witness the changes in China amid rural vitalization," she said, adding that she had a better understanding of rural areas after talking with villagers in Chinese.

Lena Abbas Jawad, an Iraqi doctoral candidate and fluent Chinese speaker, is taking part in the China Studies Program at Renmin University of China.

"The HSK program (the Chinese proficiency test) was just launched in Iraq this year, providing a channel for people in the two countries to better communicate," she said.
 
Chinese is very difficult. I don't know if I could manage a tonal language.
 
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Even my backwater high school had Chinese available for your required foreign language credit. They even had Chinese nationals teaching them, though that might've been to their detriment considering most of the students were rather disrespectful of them.
 
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The problem is Mandarin is very time consuming to learn. It's objectively an inefficient tonal language requiring a lot more effort to learn than others. The tonal aspect alone causes problems.
I've got partial tone deafness so its pretty much impossible for me to try learning it.
Even my backwater high school had Chinese available for your required foreign language credit. They even had Chinese nationals teaching them, though that might've been to their detriment considering most of the students were rather disrespectful of them.
Based. Fuck Chinese nationals. All of them are goddamn spies.
 
Chinese is very difficult. I don't know if I could manage a tonal language.
Chinese is one of the five most difficult languages taught at the Defense Language Institute. The others are Japanese, Arabic, Korean and Pashto. These courses run six hours a day, five days a week, for 64 training weeks. There are probably 200-300 students learning Chinese at DLI at any given time.

Graduated from the Korean course, but Korean isn't tonal. Vietnamese is also tonal but not as hard as Chinese. Vietnamese uses the Latin alphabet so no characters needed. Korean has its' own alphabet, very easy to learn, only easy part of learning the language. Koreans can mix Chinese characters into certain higher-level written materials.
 
Koreans can mix Chinese characters into certain higher-level written materials.

Hanja is based off traditional Chinese characters, so is really more compatible with Kanji, and HK and Taiwan.
Mainland uses simplified Chinese characters. General rule is if you can read traditional you have little problem with simplified, however simplified readers can struggle with traditional.
 
The others are Japanese
I argue most of the difficulty of the Japanese language actually is how it is taught, from both the average textbooks and teachers, by giving really bad habits to newcomers such as ignoring the importance of sentence particles (the structure order of a sentence isn't set in stone like in English/French/German besides the main verb at the end) and recognizing Kanji characters through radicals (which are like alphabet letters).

It's time-consuming nonetheless as it's a whole new language, unlike going from English to French or vice-versa as both languages have the latin alphabet and some similarities.
But there is motivation in learning a language even for personal hobbies (not solely for business and professional reasons) thanks to the Internet which really made things much more accessible for a self-learning approach.
 
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I argue most of the difficulty of the Japanese language actually is how it is taught, from both the average textbooks and teachers, by giving really bad habits to newcomers such as ignoring the importance of sentence particles (the structure order of a sentence isn't set in stone like in English/French/German besides the main verb at the end) and recognizing Kanji characters through radicals (which are like alphabet letters).

It's still time-consuming nonetheless as it's a whole new language, unlike going from English to French or vice-versa where you can spot similarities from the get-go.
But there is motivation in learning a language even for personal hobbies (not solely for business and professional reasons) thanks to the Internet which really made things much more accessible for a self-learning approach.
Kinda related I just want to give this youtube traveller a plug because he's amazing. A Japanese kid who just one day got obsessed with the Romanian language and self taught himself the language to the point that he could easily travel there. He then mastered 12 other languages and you can just look through his library he's mostly in the parts of Europe you would never expect a lone Japanese man to visit.

I think he's a damn genius but hell if he mastered 12 languages I reckon most people with dedication can at least be bilingual.
 
Yeah like the first comment says, if you learn Chinese you’ll have to deal with Chinese people, and your life will suck as a result
 
Even my backwater high school had Chinese available for your required foreign language credit. They even had Chinese nationals teaching them, though that might've been to their detriment considering most of the students were rather disrespectful of them.
Not unexpected from the kinds of people who giggle uncomfortably when the reproduction chapter of health class or biology is discussed.
 
The problem is Mandarin is very time consuming to learn. It's objectively an inefficient tonal language requiring a lot more effort to learn than others. The tonal aspect alone causes problems.
That's only the start of your problems the other thing is their script just simplified is like 8000 characters. Nigger better learn other ching chong language like Indonesian

Kinda related I just want to give this youtube traveller a plug because he's amazing. A Japanese kid who just one day got obsessed with the Romanian language and self taught himself the language to the point that he could easily travel there. He then mastered 12 other languages and you can just look through his library he's mostly in the parts of Europe you would never expect a lone Japanese man to visit.

I think he's a damn genius but hell if he mastered 12 languages I reckon most people with dedication can at least be bilingual.

Nah bilingual is easy unless you are American every school system on the planet has English baked in since 4th grade at least its when you are learning 3rd 4th language is when shit gets fucked especially if they are in Same familial group like English and Norwegian or native slavic and another Slavic language. Then shit turns to absolute word salad . Especially if you force the person to use more than two languages per hour it takes time for the brain to switch. My syntax is 10 kinds of fucked up due to this
 
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Kinda related I just want to give this youtube traveller a plug because he's amazing. A Japanese kid who just one day got obsessed with the Romanian language and self taught himself the language to the point that he could easily travel there. He then mastered 12 other languages and you can just look through his library he's mostly in the parts of Europe you would never expect a lone Japanese man to visit.

I think he's a damn genius but hell if he mastered 12 languages I reckon most people with dedication can at least be bilingual.
Romanian, being a Latin language, is also relatively easy to learn. If you can learn one Latin language you can learn them all.

The most difficult languages for Americans to learn have the least in common with English - different alphabet, grammar, sounds. Was the associate dean of an Arabic language school for a year, just picked up a few words, never even tried learning the script. Last school I worked in taught Russian and Persian-Farsi. Learned Cyrillic with little problem, never even tried Farsi. Just because you can learn one tough language doesn't mean you can learn them all, in my opinion.

As an aside, Korean is apparently the easiest foreign language for Japanese to learn, and Japanese the easiest foreign language for Koreans to learn.
 
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I reckon most people with dedication can at least be bilingual.
I'm technically trilingual, with both English and Japanese as my secondary languages acquired through years of self-learning.
While the time and process vary depending of someone's skill in linguistics, I believe that having hobbies related to the foreign language (such as videogames, comics, novels, movies, etc.) does most of the drive. I can't see myself learning more languages as a result of not seeing personal reasons to do so.
 
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Romanian, being a Latin language, is also relatively easy to learn. If you can learn one Latin language you can learn them all.

The most difficult languages for Americans to learn have the least in common with English - different alphabet, grammar, sounds. Was the associate dean of an Arabic language school for a year, just picked up a few words, never even tried learning the script. Last school I worked in taught Russian and Persian-Farsi. Learned Cyrillic with little problem, never even tried Farsi. Just because you can learn one tough language doesn't mean you can learn them all, in my opinion.

As an aside, Korean is apparently the easiest foreign language for Japanese to learn, and Japanese the easiest foreign language for Koreans to learn.
True but he went beyond Latin.
I am so incredibly jealous of this guy.
 
I argue most of the difficulty of the Japanese language actually is how it is taught, from both the average textbooks and teachers, by giving really bad habits to newcomers such as ignoring the importance of sentence particles (the structure order of a sentence isn't set in stone like in English/French/German besides the main verb at the end) and recognizing Kanji characters through radicals (which are like alphabet letters).

It's time-consuming nonetheless as it's a whole new language, unlike going from English to French or vice-versa as both languages have the latin alphabet and some similarities.
But there is motivation in learning a language even for personal hobbies (not solely for business and professional reasons) thanks to the Internet which really made things much more accessible for a self-learning approach.
At DLI languages are taught very intensively, in sections of no more than ten students, taught by teams of civilian and military instructors, six hours a day, five days a week, plus homework. First day of class, you sit down and the teacher welcomes you in the target language. You learn dialogues for each day. Believe Korean has a limited immersion program later in the course, think some students get to go to Korea for a short time. My 47-week Korean course of nearly fifty years ago garnered me 27 semester hours or 40 quarter hours of college credit; DLI is accredited. Today's 64-week course would provide even more college credits.
 
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