Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

I think im gonna vomit. How do any of these freaks get women attracted to them?
They don’t. Trannies don’t date often at all, and if so it’s usually only with other trannies. Which is funny because not even trannies want to date eachother.

The vast majority of times a tranny is married it’s because they trooned out while already married, often when their spouse is trapped by being pregnant or already has small children. Women are often guilted and gaslit into staying.
 
Came across this, which is apparently the summation of a pooner meeting with doctors regarding SRS.

Noteworthy are some of the boldfaced lies the doctors told her (“milking a penis is totally normal, all cis men do it!”) and the horrifying statistics they straight up tell her. (“100% complications. And… Oh yeah… You’ll need to see a urologist once a year for the rest of your life!”)

View attachment 5564734
View attachment 5564735
Really something to see the barefaced lies and gaslighting that surgeons do to Pooners written down in black and white.
It seems to be common sense that if they knew about the results of these atrocities they would back out, so its natural to assume they don't even ask, but as this shows, even if the Pooner asks before hand, these butchers have no problem lying to them.
As an owner of an actual penis I've never had to worry about "milking" stale piss out after I take a piss so I don't soak my boxers, or getting a fistula, or a UTI, or hairs growing inside my urethra (:cryblood:) or any of the other things that are a virtual guarantee for the post-surgical Pooner.
 
Sorry for crossposting between here and the thunderdome, but I think most people in this thread would be interested in this recent article in Unherd about The Secret Life of Gender Clinicians, which is a researcher reporting from inside their events.

Text below:

This was no ordinary medical conference. Over the course of three days, I learned a great many things. That eunuchs are one of the world’s oldest gender identities and that doctors should not judge their strange desires for castration but fulfil them. That, “ideally, patients wouldn’t be actively psychotic” when they initiated testosterone, but that psychotic patients consent to take medication like stool softeners and statins all the time and “people don’t pay that much attention”. That it would be “ableist” to question an autistic girl’s insistence on a double mastectomy. That patients who claim to have multiple personalities that disagree about which irreversible steps to take toward transition can find consensus — or at least obtain a quorum — using a smartphone app.

It is hard to shock me these days — but as I moved around the World Professional Association for Transgender Health’s symposium in Montreal in September 2022, I often felt as if I’d slipped sideways into some strange universe that operated in accordance with other laws: where up is down and girls are boys and medicine has left its modest brief — healing — far behind in its breathless pursuit of transcendence.


I wasn’t really supposed to be there. I hadn’t misrepresented myself — I am what I claimed to be: a graduate student researching gender identity — but this was a convocation for believers and I’m a sceptic. When WPATH, the world’s most prestigious and influential gathering in transgender healthcare, came to Montreal, I couldn’t resist the opportunity to see up close the people and ideas I had pursued through so many articles and books.

I wanted to know what gender clinicians were saying behind closed doors. I wanted to see how they understand the work they do, the patients they serve, and the criticism they face. That’s why I began attending WPATH conferences, starting with the symposium in Montreal, followed by the European Professional Association for Transgender Health conference in Killarney, Ireland, in April, and the US Professional Association for Transgender Health conference in Denver, Colorado, just a few weeks ago.

After years of flying under the radar, the field of transgender health care is facing serious questions about whether minors can consent to life-altering interventions; what role factors like autism, sexual orientation, and social influence may play in the explosion of children and young people identifying as trans; and what to make of mounting evidence of medical harm, regret, and detransition. In response, the field of trans healthcare is becoming ever more secretive. There is a sharp demarcation between what gender clinicians say in public and what they say in private.
At these conferences, the big questions confronting transgender health care hardly feature. Instead, these conferences serve a different purpose: to shore up the faithful and cultivate a revolutionary vanguard within medicine. To this end, the proceedings revolve around a strange set of parables: that of the good gender clinician and the bad gender clinician.
In this world, being a good gender clinician means deferring to patients’ self-understandings and having the humility to serve even what one does not understand. The mark of a good gender clinician is her credulity in the face of brave new manifestations of gender.

“People outside this room get hung up on questions like ‘How can we make sure people are really trans and are not going to regret their transition later?’” one gender clinician in Denver mused. “I’m interested in giving the very best possible care to trans young people, the care that they need and deserve… it’s easy to roll down this pathway of ‘how do you know if somebody’s going to change their mind?’ or ‘how do you know if somebody’s really trans or not?’ and that’s not the conversation I’m really participating in.”

It’s difficult to imagine clinicians practising in other areas of medicine not asking such basic questions, especially when the basis for treatment is so murky. But a good gender clinician, looking at a patient, does not see what non-believers like you or I might see. A good clinician falls under the sway of the same fantasy as the patient and conspires with her to bring her transgender self into existence. Under this framework, there is no “really trans” or not. There is only what the patient says and the readiness of the clinician to put herself at the service of the patient’s vision.

A bad gender clinician, by contrast, feels an “entitlement to know” why a patient feels the way she does or why she seeks a particular intervention. She clings to a traditional conception of her role as a “gatekeeper” who evaluates and prescribes. She thinks she can “discern a ‘true’ gender identity beyond what is articulated by the patient”. She may believe she can “identify the ‘root cause’ of a transgender identity”, which is seen as pathologising. She may try to leave the door open to desistance — the most common outcome before gender clinicians started interfering with normal development by deploying puberty-blocking drugs — in which case she is guilty of “valuing cis lives over trans lives”.


A bad gender clinician is easily “intimidated” by complicated patients, while a good gender clinician knows how to secure consent even in the trickiest cases. Mental health difficulties become “mental health differences”. Severe autism or thinking you have multiple personalities living inside your head become empowering forms of “neurodiversity”. When it comes to assessment, “careful” and “comprehensive” have become dirty words: “The answer always seems to be more assessment and more time. That’s gatekeeping.”
During the Denver conference, presenters role-played how to secure informed consent for a hysterectomy and phalloplasty in the case of a schizophrenic, borderline autistic, intellectually disabled “demiboy” with a recent psychiatric hospitalisation. At no point do the role-players encounter any real barriers. Instead, they persevere. At first, the patient struggled to understand why a phalloplasty might require multiple surgeries, but then the clinicians “explained everything” and the patient understood. This is called “lean[ing] into the nuance of capacity”.

The moral of this story is clear: failure to achieve informed consent is a failure on the part of the clinician, a failure of imagination and flexibility, not a recognition that some patients — whether because of age or mental illness or intellectual disability — will simply not be able to consent.

On WPATH’s private forums, clinicians occasionally express reservations about what they’re being expected to do, such as the social worker who wondered whether she should write letters for surgery for “several trans clients with serious mental illness… Even though these clients have a well-established trans gender identity, their likely stability post initiation of HRT [hormone-replacement therapy] or surgery is difficult to predict. What criteria do other people use to determine whether or not they can write a letter supporting surgical transition for this population?”
Her colleagues quickly put her in her place: “My feeling is that, in general, mental illness is not a reason to withhold needed medical care from clients,” an “affirming, anti-oppressive” gender therapist responded. “My assumption is that you’re asking this question because you’re taking seriously your responsibility to care for and guide your clients. Unfortunately, though, I think the broader context in which this question even exists is one in which we, as mental health professionals, have been put inappropriately into gatekeeper roles. I’m not aware of any other medical procedure that requires the approval of a therapist. I think requiring this for trans clients is another way that our healthcare system positions gender-affirming care as ‘optional’ or only for those who can prove they deserve it.”
Another gender clinician referred dismissively to the recommendation that mental illness should be “well controlled” before initiating hormonal and surgical interventions: “I am personally not invested in the ‘well controlled’ criterion phrase unless absolutely necessary… in the last 15 years I had to regrettably decline writing only one letter, mainly [because] the person evaluated was in active psychosis and hallucinated during the assessment session. Other than that, everyone got their assessment letter, insurance approval, and are living [presumably] happily ever after.” Everything hinges on that “presumably”.

For years, gender clinicians have reassured patients and parents that the evidence would eventually bear out the lofty promises of transition: that transition is life-saving; that psychotherapeutic approaches to gender distress don’t work and instead constitute unethical “conversion therapy”. But as the data starts to come in, transition appears unlikely to live up to these high expectations.
During the Ireland conference, researchers bracketed discouraging findings with upbeat statements of belief such as: “We all know gender-affirming care is effective.” A Swedish researcher who found that psychiatric hospitalisation increased after patients initiated puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones told the audience that she was “really concerned”, not about the results themselves, but “about how results will be interpreted” because, “as you all know, there are improved mental health outcomes following puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones” — even when the research can’t find those benefits.

“There’s an expectation that gender-affirming hormones will improve somebody’s mental health problems,” Johanna Olson-Kennedy, one of the leading US gender clinicians, said on the opening night of the Denver conference. Why? Because “they improve gender congruence”. In other words, if a patient doesn’t want breasts and a surgeon removes her breasts, the treatment was a success, even if her mental health deteriorates and even if she experiences regret down the road. Clinicians dismiss detransition as one of multiple possible “attenuations” of gender identity, alongside “elf”, “fairy”, and “friendly non-intimidating woman”. If a patient changes her mind later, clinicians can simply treat this new manifestation of gender incongruence by the same means: no harm, no foul.

Meanwhile, gender clinicians speak with remarkable frankness about overcoming their reservations, including the plastic surgeon who recounted the alarm he felt the first time a patient requested gender nullification surgery: an intervention that involves removing all external genitalia to create a “smooth” Ken doll-like appearance. But this surgeon soon conquered his hang-ups: he now performs “a lot” of these surgeries and promotes the procedure to his more cautious colleagues. These kinds of stories frame doubt as something to be vanquished, not investigated.
And if doubts persist, there’s always emotional blackmail. In Denver, an obese patient berated the plastic surgeons in the audience, telling them “you wouldn’t be hearing from me today” had the patient not found a surgeon willing to bend the rules and perform a double mastectomy: “I had contacted over a dozen plastic surgeons in the state of Colorado, all of them telling me they refused to do surgery on me. The surgery I so, so desperately needed so as to not kill myself. Only because of my BMI.”
So if a clinician dares to enforce standard medical practices or exercise her professional judgment, she may drive her desperate patients to suicide. The most questionable sessions end with no questions at all.

But what about the rest of us? What are we entitled to know about this bold new frontier in medicine? In Denver, public-relations specialists cautioned clinicians to spare reporters, policymakers, and parents the details of what “gender-affirming care” entails. In fact, even the use of the term “gender-affirming care” is discouraged: “When [people] hear it, they think ‘trans kids in the driver’s seat,’” health policy expert Kellan Baker said. “Many of us here, we all support trans kids in the driver’s seat because it’s their bodies, their lives. But when you think about folks who don’t know trans people, they are very scared by the idea that young people are making irreversible decisions and that nobody else has any oversight over these decisions. The term “medically-necessary care” is better, he said. “Essential medical care. Prescribed medical care.”

Presenters also recommended that gender clinicians avoid specifics. Avoid ages (“this care is highly individualised and age-appropriate”). Avoid giving information about the effects of puberty blockers and hormones. Avoid discussing the ins and outs of surgeries. In practice, “holding [the public’s] hands and helping [them] understand” looks more like covering their eyes and telling them whatever they need to hear to feel at ease. “The dinosaurs are scared,” Baker deadpanned.
This is how an entire field of medical practice became committed to virtuous obscurantism. Gender-affirming clinicians feel misunderstood by their critics. They don’t trust outsiders to put the work they do in the right light. There’s always a risk that someone will look at life-saving reconstructive chest surgeries for transmasculine minors and see the wrong thing: doctors performing breast amputations on troubled teen girls. Therefore, in order to defend the “life-saving” work they do, they must dissemble, obscure, or practise other forms of “heavenly deception”.

Critics of gender-affirming care fall somewhere along the spectrum of transphobia — with dinosaurs at one end, genocidaires at the other. In Ireland, a keynote speaker described “the gender-critical movement [as] a totalitarian and genocidal force that targets not just trans people but all institutions that uphold democracy and individual human rights”. In Denver, a state legislator announced that policymakers passing restrictions on youth gender transition “will kill children. Not with their own hands. But they will.”

The result of this Manichean worldview is that there is no possible dialogue with critics and no room for serious dissent within the movement itself: “If we are fighting amongst ourselves the forces of oppression have won,” as outgoing USPATH president Maddie Deutsch put it. No one, at any conference, discussed the risks and unknowns around puberty blockers and their possible effects on brain development, or the evidence that suggests blockers may change the course of a child’s life by turning what may have been a developmental phase into a permanent condition.
In one of the most extraordinary moments in Ireland, outgoing EPATH president Jan Motmans said: “We respect everyone’s freedom of speech, but we choose not to listen to it.” The auditorium burst into applause. But the speech they’re choosing not to listen to is the mounting evidence that something has gone wrong in the field of gender medicine.
The conviction of being on the right side of history is why criticism doesn’t stick. Clinicians don’t see themselves reflected in critiques. They are, for the most part, decent people, capable of feeling genuine horror when they accidentally say “hey guys” instead of “hey folks”. Their best impulses — their empathy, their humility in the face of what they don’t understand, their sincere desire to help distressed patients — have been hijacked by an ideological movement within medicine. In the process, they have lost sight of what they do.
 
WPATH and the "people" in it are evil. Plain and simple.
There's no other description for this shit.
PurgingTheTroon.jpg
There's only one cure for evil.
 
Came across this, which is apparently the summation of a pooner meeting with doctors regarding SRS.

Noteworthy are some of the boldfaced lies the doctors told her (“milking a penis is totally normal, all cis men do it!”) and the horrifying statistics they straight up tell her. (“100% complications. And… Oh yeah… You’ll need to see a urologist once a year for the rest of your life!”)

View attachment 5564734
View attachment 5564735
"Big Ben Phalloplasty"?

Apparently it's a branded method of rotdog installation. (Of course. Ask for it by name, Little Pooner!)

https://archive.ph/5sUHL

The video on the live page shows how the sausage is made on dummies and with some real surgery footage. NSFL.
 
Came across this, which is apparently the summation of a pooner meeting with doctors regarding SRS.

View attachment 5564735
Surgeon named in the notes is Blair Peters. Have seen him gaining traction and gives off Sibdhbhbhbh Gallagher vibes. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.
IMG_5688.jpeg
 
Last edited:
Sorry for crossposting between here and the thunderdome, but I think most people in this thread would be interested in this recent article in Unherd about The Secret Life of Gender Clinicians, which is a researcher reporting from inside their events.
That article seriously makes me MATI, and the only way to break this kind of psychotic thinking is to break the medical professionals involved.

I’m thinking in a similar way that the DEA came down on doctors over prescribing opioids, an infinitely less serious violation imho.

Make a few examples of these clinicians, social workers and surgeons, and destroy them professionally and personally. Whether with millions of dollars of fines or a decade or two in jail, is irrelevant.

The important thing is NOT to only go for the worst offenders, but prosecute with an element of randomness and arbitrariness.

When the DEA for example came down on opioid prescribers, they left a lot of the hardcore pill mills alone, but went after a doctor who prescribed crazy amount of opiates to people with serious pain issues, who had been dropped by all other doctors because of how difficult they were to care for.

He got (I believe) two decades in jail, for continuing the treatment other doctors had initiated.

Once “gender practitioners” get a sense of “OMG! That guy went to jail?! Holy shit, that could be me!” The vaginas of the mentally ill and balls of autists, will finally be safe.

The conviction of being on the right side of history is why criticism doesn’t stick. Clinicians don’t see themselves reflected in critiques. They are, for the most part, decent people, capable of feeling genuine horror when they accidentally say “hey guys” instead of “hey folks”.

“Decent people” don’t permanently mutilate children. I seem to recall that there were plenty of decent people in the SS as well. Good husbands and great fathers, who kissed their kids good bye early in the morning because another train had rolled in during the night.
 
Last edited:
u/moldsink
Link | Archive
i am 1 month post op single stage RFF phalloplasty/scrotoplasty/vnectomy/perineal reconstruction/cystoscopy with dr. chen/buncke clinic. i am so happy w my body and my pain has been subsiding the past few days 0:) final in office post op tomorrow hopefully. ask me anything

complications: •minor wound separation on right side of my penis week 2 (resolved itself after a week, was from propping to the side)

•cellulitis (bacterial infection) on my donor arm e 2 1/2 weeks out. got arm debrided and went on bactrim for a week. the infection didn't spread to my graft thankfully. will be getting my scar on my arm revised @ stage 2 bc infection made it very large.

•unhealthy tissue around my urethra that im waiting to slough off (only about half of it has sloughed off and it's been ~2 weeks.) i can't begin voiding through my penis until it sloughs off so im still peeing through my SP catheter.

there's healthy tissue underneath the yellow tissue thankfully but there has been a lot of dark red drainage. (if anyone has had this complication i would love to know ur experience bc i am having trouble even knowing what to look up lol).

thankfully it won't affect my length or ability to urinate once it's healed but it's been frustrating to be behind on my UL timeline
tycbnakcy66c1.jpgalov8akcy66c1.jpgu7coeakcy66c1.jpgcpx2hakcy66c1.jpghal7pakcy66c1.jpgfjgytakcy66c1.jpgslfd8bkcy66c1.jpgoflkyakcy66c1.jpg
The arm pics are hilarious. The thin girly arm and the dainty way she holds it. The gemstones. The girly tattoo. The bracelet. And the way she specifically thought to photograph there so she would capture a nice background.

nice find! @Peaches Demure
 
Since the surgery I just feel generally desexed and dehumanized. Oh well.
lmao, don't get your balls cut off then.
During the Denver conference, presenters role-played how to secure informed consent for a hysterectomy and phalloplasty in the case of a schizophrenic, borderline autistic, intellectually disabled “demiboy” with a recent psychiatric hospitalisation.
Roleplaying as retarded is fun! *screeching noises*
 
Last edited:
No images with this one, but it still fits here better than the Ls thread.

(20 y/o Male) 8 months Post-Op (Archive)​

I had a complete bilateral orchiectomy done 8 months ago by a trained urologist and while I should be fully healed, I still deal with post-op complications.
Day to day I deal with pretty severe pelvic floor/inguinal pain that has a tendency to flare up randomly. I suppose it’s similar to a phantom testicular pain, but it’s not exactly that. The pain extends into my mid abdomen and feels like getting kicked in the nonexistent nuts. I can’t do most activities that put pressure on my crotch without some mild discomfort, and intimacy without pain (especially ejaculation) is out of the question.
On top of that, I have been stuck with urinary issues such as occasional incontinence and urine drip every single time I piss. I have to fasten a dick diaper out of toilet paper or risk soaking through my pants. I am 20, these are supposed to be the best years of my life. Is there any hope for resolving these issues or am I just kinda fucked over because of what I did to myself? Since the surgery I just feel generally desexed and dehumanized. Oh well.
He's detransitioning. Also he has been on puberty blockers since he was 15. u/xTheHelloKitty
Screenshot 2023-12-15 114702.png
Link | Archive
Question for post Gonadectomy Folks

I am 20 years old and have been on puberty blockers and estrogen for half a decade, I had a bilateral orchiectomy at 19 as part of my medical transition.

For those of you who went through with a gonadectomy and can’t produce your own sex hormones, what’s your plan?

Currently I take testosterone (gel) but I’m not sure how much of a long term solution it is as I’m worried about health consequences with the T. But I guess any route leads to your health suffering after having yourself neutered/spayed like the family dog.

It seems like my options are a lifetime of testosterone replacement therapy inevitably leading to some type of cardiac issue, rotting my brain and developing cancer on estrogen, and complete and total bone death & menopause if I don’t take anything at all. Fun times.
 
Last edited:
thankfully it won't affect my length or ability to urinate once it's healed but it's been frustrating to be behind on my UL timeline
LMAO! X!

BONUS POONER RECOGNITION TIP!

Aside from the (as pointed out) very dainty pictures, notice the ring finger length.

Women tend to have ring fingers as long as their index fingers (and often as long as their middle fingers) whereas men have index fingers that are shorter than the ring finger.

(Look down as see for yourself Kiwis!)

That, along with the head size is usually the dead give away even with extremely twinky pooners.
 
Last edited:
The castrated 20yo actually posted on r/eunuchs and the comments are interesting. He keeps getting perverts in the comments though.
Link | Archive
Screenshot 2023-12-15 120350.pngScreenshot 2023-12-15 120317.pngScreenshot 2023-12-15 120306.pngScreenshot 2023-12-15 120249.png
The eunuch dudes are worse than the trannies in some ways. I'm still horrified by that one that got tied up, held down and had his balls and dick cut off by his abusive boyfriend.
 
It seems like my options are a lifetime of testosterone replacement therapy inevitably leading to some type of cardiac issue, rotting my brain and developing cancer on estrogen, and complete and total bone death & menopause if I don’t take anything at all. Fun times.
Funny how those well-known side effects are never discussed on the shoving you into transition side of the argument

Hormones will fuck you up, and any doctor will tell you.
Unless you wanna troon out.

Here's another in his early 20's who is suicidal after getting (botched) GRS:

"Amazing sensation" "Great depth" "Aesthetics"
They lie to you pal. It would only hit more troon lie points if someone said the "not even obgyn can..."
 
Back