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So what do you actually gay guys think about Russia starting to raid LGBTQ clubs and deeming the "ideology" extremist?
 
The other two LGBT discussion threads are dead and don't show signs of life so I'll ask the people here.
1. 5, I'm very bisexual. Very detached from the entire culture though.
2. This is clever manipulation of statistics. It's basically 1% everyone else, the rest are probably bisexual or just sexually flexible in a pinch.
3. Always have been. Their numbers get inflated by bisexuals who have homosexual preferences too, as well as bisexuals who are socially pressured to go full homosexual.
4. With the correct definitions there's genuine arguments to get us up to 50%, it's a definitions game.
5. We want eachother to die. The idea of a unified front crumbles in any location where the only thing we agree on happens: abolition of anti-homosexual laws, and the institution of same sex marriage as a legal concept. Otherwise there's almost no overlap.
6. Column A column B. Some are a thing, most the sexualities are bullshit names for "having standards/a type/being a prude" and a lot are just LARPs. I hold an opinion of "pro-trans, fuck troops, yes there is a difference".
7. If you're over 25, probably yes. If you're not part of the psychotic cult culture, probably yes. Personally? Yes and I have physically assaulted someone while drunk when they tried to force me to accept the term as "reclaimed". Not a proud moment, but it illustrates my opinion.
8. Almost none online, as any I do face is typically in jest and insincere. Offline though when I came out in highschool I lost my best friend over it. Fuck him though, he later helped someone sexually assault his ex for dumping him. Most the shit I get is from gays actually.
9. Bisexuality is a thing. Funnily enough though I'm bisexual with a homosexual preference, but my romantic inclination is straight. As I say "dick is more fun, but gay guys are the worst". Sexuality exists independently from romantic attraction. Think of it like this. The hot chick in media, you'd fuck her brains out right? You probably wouldn't want to marry her though. Same thing. Bisexuality is the one place though were "it's a spectrum" applies. After all I know bisexuals who massively prefer homosexual interactions, and those who prefer straight. I'm pretty close to the middle though. I'm the oddity.
10. Yes. Yes. And yes. We hate them back.
11. Idk, I have actual mental issues that impairs me from having enough of a view from another person's perspective to have an opinion.
12. Population density. It seems as population density goes up, gay ratio goes up. Also gay culture forces bisexuals into presenting as gay. Bisexuals are really the key here. We naturally will absorb into either the straight or gay community depending on preference.
13. No it's funny as fuck. Yes you would.
14. Bisexual. I'm part of the breeder stock by default. The marriage issue though is mostly a gay culture thing. Gays culture is a disease that forces a promiscuous lifestyle devoid of long term dedication relationships. I believe that is a personal choice, and shouldn't be shamed nor praised. Monos should be allowed to be monos without shame. Polys like me, so long as we don't involve ourselves with monos who want us to "settle down" and don't betray their trust, should be allowed to do our thing without shame. Neither of us are better than the other. Fuck I've been with the same woman for a decade now. I've had other partners and people I love deeply, but who do I come home to? That's something the sex obsessed fags and the pearl clutching normies really don't get. A relationship is deeper than fucking.
15. See my previous answer, this is a case by case thing. It's a personal decision, but most actual LGBT couples are detached from the culture and less performative about things. Some want the family, but aren't wired for making one. Some don't. Some people are happy without a dedicated relationship. Some breakdown without one. This also goes for straight people, and there's more instances of such there than with gays.
16. Faggots. Gay men hate my bisexuality. Runner up are Indian immigrants. The sihks though are very much "we disapprove, but you're still people and we won't give you trouble" about it though.
17. Stereotypes exist for a reason. Beyond that, you start to pick up on gay culture behaviours.
18. Yes and no. Funny thing, homosexuality is most commonly noticed in wealthier demographics with higher education. Not because there's more there, but because there's more opportunities to get away from the family sooner and be yourself in such demographics. This leads to being more capable of understanding context, but also being raised with "polite" norms. We know when it is an insult or a joke, at least face to face, so we react accordingly.
 
So what do you actually gay guys think about Russia starting to raid LGBTQ clubs and deeming the "ideology" extremist?
Well, I think it’s not purely motivated by morality, but a practical position for them to take.

They have a lot of Muslim pockets who are discouraged from overt displays of religion, and policies like this help assuage them.

Russia also has an incredibly high rate of HIV, primarily spread through intravenous drug use, but still, gay men are negatively synergistic with spreading that.

Russia has an enormous population crisis. They have basically zero population growth over the last 30 years. They continually attempt policies to encourage their citizens to have babies, but people don’t like to have a lot of kids in economically disadvantaged situations.

All in all, lgbt activism isn’t good for anyone if what you want is a stable and productive self sustaining society, but Russia has a lot of areas where it’s particularly vulnerable, so discouraging it is in their best interest
 
Well, I think it’s not purely motivated by morality, but a practical position for them to take.

They have a lot of Muslim pockets who are discouraged from overt displays of religion, and policies like this help assuage them.

Russia also has an incredibly high rate of HIV, primarily spread through intravenous drug use, but still, gay men are negatively synergistic with spreading that.

Russia has an enormous population crisis. They have basically zero population growth over the last 30 years. They continually attempt policies to encourage their citizens to have babies, but people don’t like to have a lot of kids in economically disadvantaged situations.

All in all, lgbt activism isn’t good for anyone if what you want is a stable and productive self sustaining society, but Russia has a lot of areas where it’s particularly vulnerable, so discouraging it is in their best interest
I'm curious about our gay libertarian friends types, that are "I don't care, I vote Republican/right wing anyway, trannies BTFO".
This is basically a right wing regime realized, full with imperial ambitions and authoritarianism, and ostracizing of rebellious minorities.
So, dear KF gays, are you still right wing considering these factors?
 
I'm curious about our gay libertarian friends types, that are "I don't care, I vote Republican/right wing anyway, trannies BTFO".
This is basically a right wing regime realized, full with imperial ambitions and authoritarianism, and ostracizing of rebellious minorities.
So, dear KF gays, are you still right wing considering these factors?
Personally I’m a constitutional originalist who thinks that “living document” is bullshit to legislate from the bench when a proposal is too controversial to pass the correct legislative process.

I’m “right wing” right now because they’re the ones pushing in the correct direction the majority of the time. If I had to appoint a dictator, it would be Ron Paul, though I’d certainly hope he’d have a backup plan to actually defend the country if diplomacy fails. Rand would do, anyways.
 
They have a lot of Muslim pockets who are discouraged from overt displays of religion
Yeah, so "discouraged" that they pray in public.
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Well, I think it’s not purely motivated by morality, but a practical position for them to take.
Yeah, it's just a big PR stunt, a country-level virtue signal. "Look at us, we're so based and trad, we've banned the LGBT completely!" Nevermind that gay marriage and adoption had never been legal in Russia, that there's already a law against "gay propaganda" and being openly gay is basically asking to be assaulted and ostracized. So it's not like anything has fundamentally changed.
Russia also has an incredibly high rate of HIV <...>
Russia has an enormous population crisis.
And it's not like this law is going to stop gay men from fucking in secret or encourage straight couples to conceive more children.
 
I am deeply closeted in my real life.
Most people don't know I'm gay. It's just not something I go around advertising. Plus I act like an average guy, not all faggoty. I really, really hate the LGBT community and haven't been a part of it in a long time. I just don't want to be associated with all that craziness.
 
The other two LGBT discussion threads are dead and don't show signs of life so I'll ask the people here.

1. On a scale of 1-10 how gay are you?
3 with the alpha channel. Zero interest in men but not particularly into pussy either.

2. The latest claims of size of the LGBT population worldwide is about 8-10 percent. As gays, what do you think? Is it accurate? Is our world less or more gay?
Worldwide? Dunno, I believe it varies greatly per culture. It's definitely nurture rather than nature in my case.

As an example of cultural attitudes: me, and many people of my generation, think it's more degenerate (or, to put it in woke terms, a greater commitment) to engage in oral sodomy than to have normal penis-in-vagina sex. I would lie back and think of England if I absolutely had to. I'd rather die than suck a cock OR pussy. But, apparently, oral sodomy is something Western men can easily pressure women to do in lieu of sex, when a woman is "just not ready". Wat.

3. All the estimates say that most of Gay Alphabet Soup people are bisexuals, is it true? Are gays a minority even within a minority?
In terms of sexual attraction, depends on coomerism per country but probably yes. I believe that reproductive pressure is strong enough that gays/lesbians are people whose nature/nurture fucks up their prescribed attraction target. E.g. I grew up thinking/feeling strongly that women are the fairer sex and it's right and proper to love them, even though society evidently disapproved; they [we] can try to be normal and thus acquire a history of relationships with both sexes.
But self-identified bisexuals are just sluts.

4. Do you think that you're 20-30 percent of the world's population as some shitlibs and progtards claim?
Gays? No. Coomers? Potentially yes, enough coomerism can turn 30% into indiscriminate coomers, which will be celebrated as people "coming out" and "feeling free to be who they are".

5. What are relations between different letters in GAS are? Who gets the most shit among you?
They mostly interact in the alphabet soup. Male gays, as bottoming is against the [criminal] Understandings.

6. What do you think of trannies, queers and pan/demi/whatever sexuals? Are they a real thing or is it just a LARP to get asspats for being more special than regular gays?
They're "real" but they're pornsick. Especially the demi whatever, their whole life is centered around sexualizing every single thing.

7. Do you, gays, consider queer a slur? Do you personally consider it a slur?
No, it was even the title of a gay magazine in the 90s. Yes, especially now that it's a catch-all term for pornsickness and pedophilia.

8. Where do you face more homophobia, online or offline?
Online, from "the queer community".

9. I personally think that bisexuals are just straights who want to be gay without doing the gay, they're simply pretending to for this or that reason. Is bisexuality a real thing?
They don't want to "be gay", they just want to coom. Yes it's real (as in, bisexuality is distinct from homosexuality) but they're coomers first and foremost, fucking the same sex gives them more opportunities to fuck (men) or be sluttier (women).

10. I hear a lot claims that a good chunk of gays hate women, a good chunk of lesbians hate men, both gays and lesbos hate trannies and bis, are these claims true?
Gays hate women: yes. "irrational", "pmsing" ("should be banned from working, assigned male guardians"), "slobs" (no makeup) / "whores" (makeup), etc -- all this from muh ghey cummunity.
Lesbians hate men: not quite, it's rabid man-haters who turn "political lesbians", but "real" lesbians view men more like distant Cold War opponents, with strong aspirational tendencies. Many men claim to cultivate and extol virtues that many lesbians aspire to but many women openly condemn, therefore real lesbians can't despise men as a sex.
Gays and lesbians hate trannies and bis: unfortunately not, gays are opportunistic and lesbians are woke.

11. I think that feminine/androgynous men and masculine/androgynous women are a fetish thing for heteros who don't want to be gay, but want to try what it's like, and so liking twinks/femboys/tomboys/butches is for faggots, is it true?
No.

Men who are into tomboys/butches (not pooners!) are just normal.
Tomboys are the ultimate straight man choice. a regular girl has tits and pussy but comes loaded with gay shit such as makeup, desire for shopping clothes and useless shit and watching boring shitty tv shows.

A gay dude is gay but he has a partner that shares his interests.

A tomboy is the best of both worlds, a female body but with enough /fit/ness to keep up with you, good interests and great personality

A trap is 200% gay. Not only are you fucking a dude, you are also putting up with the faggotry of a female.

With women, it's more complicated. Women who are into femboys are either
(1) lesbophobic straight faghags, or
(2) anime-loving, technically lesbian pooners who avoid actual males because males would not accommodate the uwu softboi fantasy. I've seen three of these turn straight as soon as they found a man and dropped the anime habit.

(with fetishes, it's important to differentiate between the fantasy and the sex acts that actually happen, if any).

12. Why are some countries, even in Western world, gayer than others? Portugal has more gays than its neighbor Spain does, Germany has more gays than France, US has more gays than Canada, for example.
Culture affects both how many gays there are and how people identify (what they admit to).

13. Is calling you Gay Alphabet Soup homophobic? Would I get shit for this if I use this acronym outside Farms?
Me? It'll be unfair because I'm not part of the soup but it exists. Not up to me, the words I use for the 'soup are more derogatory than that.

14. A lot of you are sceptical or hostile towards marriage, family and long lasting partnership because it's what hetero breeder chuds do, but now LGBTs can have children and marry too (in some places at least), does that mean that you, LGBT people, can technically be breeder chuds too?
Long-lasting partnerships are awesome. Children are awesome, breeder chuds are awesome and it's ok/aspirational to imitate them within the bounds of what's considered acceptable for children. Lots of conditional probabilities involved. If a child's father fucks prostitutes, the sex of the prostitute doesn't make a difference. If a child's mother acquires a live-in sex partner, it's safer for the child if it's another woman (but a good stepfather would be better still; the risk and reward even out).

15. I don't see a lot of same-sex couples and families thou, do you need that? Are you happy with just the ability to bonk in peace and find more partners? Or is giving gays the right to marry, adopt and use surrogacy essential?
"Marry", "adopt", and "use surrogacy" are very different things. Gay marriage I don't care about except that it's a harbinger of GAE victory, which would be bad. Surrogacy is evil and should be prohibited for everyone. Sperm donation for women (regardless of sexual orientation) should be legal, it's better than fucking random men. Egg donation may be legal if strictly regulated, too (the mother is the woman who gives birth -- no surrogacy through the backdoor by having the egg donor adopt the child). A child should have a mother and ideally a father. No "gay parents".

There's also a difference between the law and its reach versus perfect knowledge and your conscience (as with vigilantism). I'd like adoption by homosexuals to be banned, but single-parent adoption should be allowed and the standard for adoptive parent(s) should be strict enough such that if a gay successfully passes it with 2010s level tech, he'll be no worse than a straight as a parent. However, it'll soon be possible to instantly identify people by their speech (it's already possible to identify individuals, but soon the gubmint could feed a prospective adoptive parent's application into a search engine and find everything s/he ever wrote). I don't want speech chilled to the extent that adoption officials can chase gays on the online unless they in turn launder their speech through anonymizing AI instances.

16. Which people have been the most hostile to you (believers/non-believers, Christians/Muslims/Judaists/non-abrahamic believers/pagans and wiccans, right-wingers/left-wingers, whites/ethnic and racial minorities, natives/migrants and refugees, city slickers/rednecks from the country)?
I'm a Commie Slavmutt female, all of these earn me way more hostility than lesbianism.
Practicing Orthodox Christians really, really hate women (it doesn't matter if we're lesbians or straight or completely chaste), far more than they hate gay men. Non-Orthodox Christians hate Russians. Libs hate leftists more than they hate Putin. I don't interact with minorities much, whether native or migrant. My friends are mostly Marxist and Maoist [anti-woke, anti-GAE] men.

17. Is there a way to spot gays from afar? How do you know that a person is gay without looking into them much? Can you master a gay radar?
Master, no, but you can get better than random chance by noticing gross degenerate fashions that normal people wouldn't be caught dead wearing. But if you looked at me (a dyke) and my friend (a straight mother of two) and had to pick the dyke, you'd probably guess wrong (because I'm currently flabby and she's ultra fit).

18. Has the word "faggot" been reclaimed yet? Will the world see homos calling each other faggots casually and openly like black people in the West call each other niggas?
[I'm Russian] English loanwords have always been ok. Russian slurs for gay males, yes. Russian slurs for lesbians, no, lesbians are too woke.


being openly gay is basically asking to be assaulted and ostracized.
Why is everyone in the media gay then? Why is the liberal darling male influencer Dud gay? Why is the CEO of Channel 1 gay? Why is the CEO of Sberbank gay? Why did Putin's spox and his family attend gay-prancing shows in the Bolshoi and crack-licking pop concerts, up until the degenerates came out as hohol supporters? Why does my [female] middle-class, restaurant-dining customer wear a sweatshirt with "100% gay" on it at her white-collar workplace? Being anti-gay is a working-class belief.
 
Why is <...>
You know what they say? "Moscow is not Russia."

EDIT: I also decided to fact check your statement about the sexualities of those public figures.
Yuri Dud has a wife and two children. Is he gay? I don't think so.
CEO of Channel 1 has had multiple mistresses over the years. Is he gay? I kinda doubt it.
CEO of Sberbank has had 2 wives and 4 children. It doesn't sound like he's gay either.

My verdict:
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EDIT: I also decided to fact check your statement about the sexualities of those public figures.
Yuri Dud has a wife and two children. Is he gay? I don't think so.
CEO of Channel 1 has had multiple mistresses over the years. Is he gay? I kinda doubt it.
CEO of Sberbank has had 2 wives and 4 children. It doesn't sound like he's gay either.
They all could be beards and the children could've been conceived through concentrating willpower to do something they won't normally do.

Now a few more questions:
1. Gays and gay rights activists demand not just marriage, surrogacy and adoption, but for religious institutions to recognise same-sex marriage, military service and blood/organ donation. Do you need all this or is it as a dunk on straights? "We can do everything you can do, but better and fabulous, you've lost, cischuds"?
2. Do you think it'll get better for gays or not?
3. Will we see gay pride marches in Nigeria, lots of gay clubs in Indonesia, gay couples getting married in Haiti and gay adoption in Laos? In our lifetime or in a few hundred years?
4. How do you get people to stop being homophobic? When I see something that tries to make you sympathetic towards gays, it's usually "UwU poor abused softboy homos are being killed for not loving the other sex, they just want to be held and hugged by a boy, just like in le heckin Thai porn cartoons, how can you not love these creatures, gay rights and liberation now", but is it effective?
5. If you had to, how would you convince somebody to stop being homophobic?
6. Do you think most people are homophobic by nature or only because the environment/society around them is?
7. Best countries/regions/cities for gays?
8. What do you think are the gayest/most homophilic countries on Earth?
9. Why do so many gays (mostly Westies) side with countries that would execute them on sight? Why do so many LGBTs love Palestine, China, Vietnam, Nepal - is it lack of knowledge? The want to be edgy and countercultural? Genuine retardation?
10. Why do gays get into theater, music and fashion at a disproportionate rate? Because it's easier to express the gay there?
11. Is it true that wherever you are, the music/theater scene will always be made up of mostly gays?
12. How can you tell someone is in the closet?
 
They all could be beards and the children could've been conceived through concentrating willpower to do something they won't normally do.
Yeah, sure, let's say hypothetically, for the sake of argument, that they're all secretly gay and just pretending to be straight, but in that case it's just like I said:
being openly gay is basically asking to be assaulted and ostracized
Otherwise they wouldn't be pretending.
 
The public backlash was immense
Yeah-yeah, there's always a public backlash and yet, nothing changes.
Some dude burnt a quran, was sent to prison for that, and Ramzan Kadyrov's teenage son Adam beat him up. The backlash was also immense, but... did Adam apologize? Did he have to pay a fine? Nope, he was awarded a medal(several ones, IIRC).
A bunch of hilarious memes was made, but that was that.
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Yeah-yeah, there's always a public backlash and yet, nothing changes.
Some dude burnt a quran, was sent to prison for that, and Ramzan Kadyrov's teenage son Adam beat him up. The backlash was also immense, but... did Adam apologize? Did he have to pay a fine? Nope, he was awarded a medal(several ones, IIRC).
A bunch of hilarious memes was made, but that was that.
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Because Chechnya is an actual medieval caliphate, lol. With blood feuds and fifteen year olds from the royal family being appointed to government positions but amazingly - going back to the initial subject of the thread - not a single gay person. Must be the fresh mountain air and pristine lake water blessed by Allah that turns everyone straight, starting with the frogs.

I do the same when I play Crusader Kings. If you take over a troublesome region inhabited by absolute heathens, find a local warlord that is loyal personally to you, shove all those problematic vassals under him and let the unrest be his problem. At least it stopped rabid Muslim zealots exploding all over the place.

Technically it is still Russia, and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. Frankly, I am surprised Kadyrov hasn't yet tried to run for president and rename Moscow to Moskvabad. Islamic post-Putin Russia would be a badass neofeudal Muhammadan dystopia.
 
Because Chechnya is an actual medieval caliphate
Yes, I'm not arguing against that. What I'm arguing is that being overtly muslim is not discouraged. And the fact that Putin has to appease Kadyrov is the reason(or a part of it, at least).
 
I think we should stop judging people based on what sexes participate and more on who can form a functioning pair bond, for at least more than 10 years. I know straight degenerates (a lot) and based gay people. I am semi on both, because of personal and societal failures.
 
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2. I think it’s a little more gay, people just like to inflate the gay population to make it seem like it’s a bigger deal than it is
3. Well, think about it. Its just more likely someone would swing both ways than just one. Everyone is a little gay, everyone is a little straight.
4. No. That’s an exaggeration
5. Def bi-curious females who “want to try things out”. Lesbos hate ts
6. I mean, theyre is a whole nother discussion to be had about societies over use of labels and imo its pointless shit that people use to feel special. (not just talking about lgbt)
7. No I think its funny
8. Online duh
9.Yes? Some people just like both genders no big deal. Most bisexuals want to do the gay.
10. I don’t know whos telling you that gay men hate women. Its quite the oppisite. They may make a joke about hating pussy but the majority love women. Also yes, lesbos hate men.
11.I don’t know why you keep saying that certain identities are just “not wanting to be gay, but wanting to be on the borderline”. Theyre just doing ts because it feels right to them. Also this question is confusing so ill just say that im pretty tomboyish and im not like that because it’s a fetish.
12. Who knows? I think its because its just more accepting in some places. I mean if I lived in the middle east I wouldn’t be gay.
13. I don’t know what that means :(
14. Who is hostile towards marrige? I personally wouldn’t want to get married but jesus, I couldn’t give a rats ass if other people want to. In fact good for them cuz married people are happier lol.
15. Idc. I think they should be able to marry because why not.
16. No one has been hostile to me. Im still closeted.
17. My gaydar only goes as far as contact and conversation. But if someone is really gay, I can tell from afar just by something like their outfit, or body language, or who theyre with, or what theyre drinking.
18. yea
 
Answering the new round of questions from @Dasjas Watanid Tabas

1. Really depends on the individual. Personally I wouldn’t mind the legal benefits of marriage, but I don’t believe in forcing religious institutions to abandon their beliefs in order to cater to us either. Civil unions were a perfect substitute. I have no desire to have children so I don’t care about adoption or surrogacy.

2. Strictly speaking as an American, we have it pretty damn good. I don’t know why so many in the community continue to keep bitching. That kind of mentality just further antagonizes people.

3. Possibly we’ll see more acceptance in certain Asian countries, but it’s not gonna happen for a very long time, if ever in places like Africa or the Middle East. It’s not something I concern myself with at any rate.

4. You won’t get homophobic people to abandon their beliefs so easily, and I’m not the kind of person to keep needling at them to do so. You’ll either like me or you won’t and I’m too old to try and suck up to someone who’s decided they don’t like me for being gay. I have found that if you don’t act like a flaming faggot stereotype and just be yourself most people won’t have an issue with you.

5. Best I can do is just continue being myself and try to show through example that not every gay guy is a mincing lisping fairy who hits on everything with a pulse and exists only to coom. Like i said in my response to question 4, I don’t really go out of my way to screech at and crusade against homophobes though, I let them be and hope they extend me the same courtesy.

6. I think varying degrees of homophobia are based on environment/society. Someone raised Christian will obviously see homosexuality as a sin and not be okay with it, but a Christian is far less likely to go out of their way torturing and murdering gay people the way Muslims do.

7. Most western countries are pretty tolerant/accepting of gays at this point. The obvious answers being the United States and the United Kingdom. The Pacific Northwest in the USA has been a Mecca for gay people for decades now.

8. Gayest country is England. Not even in the homosexual sense, just all English men are faggots. Most homophobic countries are any of the middle eastern ones. Russia is up there as well.

9. Most gays are leftists and leftists are retards.

10. I’m sure that’s a big reason. Theater has always been pretty damn gay.

11. Gay guys, effeminate straight guys, fag hag women and the rare masculine straight guy.

12. Anytime someone uses the word “partner” instead of boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife I assume they’re gay. Same if they go out of their way to avoid using pronouns when referring to their partner, “they” or other neutral pronouns are what they typically use.
 
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