Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

I have is this subsection on this godforsaken site to comfort me in the madness.
I’m sorry ur having such a hard time kiwibro, ❤️the important thing is you got out of that insane man-eating cult alive. You can’t save everyone, and they have their own road to choose. People change. You got better, he got worse. It’s sad but it’s his life to ruin. Now it’s time to find new healthy friends who care about you and share similar opinions. People who are not actively destroying themselves.
He’s still young, and as long as he don’t chop his dick off or go on hormones for a long time he still can retain his physical health (mostly) . There’s still chance he might come to his senses sometime in the future. Only thing you can do for him now is pray
 
Involuntary commitment makes you over 40 times more likely to commit suicide, fam. If you really give a shit, encourage outpatient stuff, which can sometimes be called "partial hospitalization." Coercive treatment fucks people up like you would not believe. Also, note this isn't 40%, this is forty times. That's 4000%.
Sir, are you an autist, or just not good at understanding these kinds of studies?

Because no. OF COURSE INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT DOESNT MAKE YOU FORTY TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ROPE. That’s patently ridiculous.

What the study shows, is that patients who are so mentally bad off, that they get commited against their will, have a 40 times higher risk of killing themselves. (You know, probably because… Crazy?)

So in other words: If a person is bad enough mentally that they see a psychiatrist or get committed, they have a higher chance of committing suicide.

Ninja edit: Also, this is fucking Denmark. The USA? HAHAH FUCKING GOD it's so much worse.
Don’t count on it. Healthcare is pretty shitty in Denmark, especially in things like specialist medicine since it’s a public system.

It’s not unusual with six months waiting lists for a psychiatrist. Want to see a specialized psychiatrist like a youth psychiatrist? Might have to wait a few years.

I know I keep posting here, but then again this is a support thread and I literally have nowhere else to turn to. Terf tags on Tumblr is cool and all except I don't believe in true radfem ideology. I don't hate men. I don't even hate troons, I hate the government and all this bullshit that created troons.
Honestly, sounds like you need a break.

Like a REAL break. Take a few weeks or few months off if possible and travel to somewhere where all this degenerate insanity isn’t as common. Give yourself some time to breathe.
 
Things are going okay in my life for once
Thats what you should focus on. Sounds like maybe you have some survivor guilt because you dodged the bullet and that person didn't but you work with what you can control and for the rest you can only hope to have patience otherwise you'd go crazy. Its must be frustating to watch but is not your burden. Give youself a break
 
Someone I know online has been bitching about how much she hates her breasts, and how she must have top surgery soon or she'll 41% for well over a year now.

Found out in more of her recent ranting that she hasn't received hormones yet, or a hysterectomy, or even changed her name and sex legally. She's just now teasing binding her big ass breasts for the first time ever. And yet, she's in the process of waiting for a decision at a gender clinic to get the top chop despite being fat as fuck. She's been "out" for as long as I've been acquainted with her. And yet, she hasn't even done the bare minimum beyond making sure that her RL co workers know her (absolutely dreadful) troon name. Somehow that makes everything even worse to me. What a fucking mess. So close to leaving unscathed if she detransed right now, but she's not going to. She's honestly a personal lolcow to me for other reasons. This is just the latest fuckery with her.

Interestingly, the FTM I know that did get top surgery never showed off her chest. She did experience a lot of wound separation from what she did post. She claimed that she was no longer pursuing bottom surgery shortly after describing her post surgery complications, so maybe on some level she knows she fucked up. Not that it matters, since she still claims that she must flee to the north to not get killed for being trans.
 
And yet, she's in the process of waiting for a decision at a gender clinic to get the top chop despite being fat as fuck.
Smarter people than me have said it here, but it would be interesting to correlate the rise of obesity with the rise of troonery. Self-esteem, body issues, excess endogenous estrogen.

Women can convince their insurance company to pay for surgical removal of their topmost fat bulge, if they say enough magic gender words. You can't demand that with abdominal fat, and nobody's figured out the right incantation to make their insurance pay for a panniculectomy on the grounds of feels, rather than weight loss and subsequent documented susceptibility to infection.
 
Smarter people than me have said it here, but it would be interesting to correlate the rise of obesity with the rise of troonery. Self-esteem, body issues, excess endogenous estrogen.
I've seen it work both ways, where unhappy overweight women and girls poon out (and generally fail to slim down) while porn-addicted AGP coomers start as skeletons and balloon up on HRT.
 
Sir, are you an autist, or just not good at understanding these kinds of studies?
We all are
Because no. OF COURSE INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT DOESNT MAKE YOU FORTY TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ROPE. That’s patently ridiculous.

What the study shows, is that patients who are so mentally bad off, that they get commited against their will, have a 40 times higher risk of killing themselves. (You know, probably because… Crazy?)

So in other words: If a person is bad enough mentally that they see a psychiatrist or get committed, they have a higher chance of committing suicide.

From the article: The study found that, compared to those who had no psychiatric treatment in the previous year and after adjustment for other risk factors: those who only received psychiatric medication had 5.8 times the risk of suicide; those with at most outpatient psychiatrist treatment had 8.2 times the risk of suicide; non-admitted patients who had contact with emergency departments had 27.9 times the risk of suicide; and admitted patients had 44.3 times the risk of suicide.

Also from the article: We have also argued elsewhere that a proportion of the suicides that occur during, or shortly after, psychiatric hospitalization might be properly regarded as “nosocomial”—that is primarily due to factors inherent in hospital-based care [13]. The Hjorthøj study demonstrated a statistically strong and dose-dependent relationship between the extent of psychiatric treatment and the probability of suicide. This relationship is stepwise, with significant increases in suicide risk occurring with increasing levels of psychiatric treatment.

Given that we're all autists, you should be a better autist and read the paper m'dude.

Smarter people than me have said it here, but it would be interesting to correlate the rise of obesity with the rise of troonery. Self-esteem, body issues, excess endogenous estrogen.

Women can convince their insurance company to pay for surgical removal of their topmost fat bulge, if they say enough magic gender words. You can't demand that with abdominal fat, and nobody's figured out the right incantation to make their insurance pay for a panniculectomy on the grounds of feels, rather than weight loss and subsequent documented susceptibility to infection.

JFC you just reminded me - lots of women had to say "I'm pooning out, dood" to get lady-surgery and have even posted about it. Didn't save the links but sheesh.
 
I hate the government and all this bullshit that created troons.
The absurdity of it all, it makes me feel like I must be the one in the wrong even though I know that's not true. That maybe I must be the crazy one. That I'm the loser for detransitioning. It's so lonesome. It's so bizarre. All I have is this subsection on this godforsaken site to comfort me in the madness.
My case is a little different, I posted here months ago to speak about why I did not transitioned, so obvisouly I do not have the same pain as you.

Please, follow Fapcop advices. DO NOT let it destroy your mental health, let it go. LET IT GO. Do not let it fester like a wound. Beyond a certain point you can only pray for their souls. At least that's what I will do now for some of them, for I pity those who will come back to their senses and go through the mental and physical journey that will follow.

Me, I let it fester for too long with other things. In a cascade of complications I am going through a hard anguish/anxiety crisis to the point of being at the end of my rope(I am seeking help and I am currently under meds). Some of the complications are exactly those bullshits. Those careless assholes, NGOs, governements agencies and others groups are ruining everything for me. Because each time I know they have influence in a community I am in and I see their damn flags I am reminded I nearly butchered myself and they will gladly or coldly push it on others more vulnerable than I. I too feel anger, sadness and empathy for some of those who fell prey to all this madness.
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I lost a dear, decade old, circle of friend in part because of all of this and things might have gone differently if I had the courage to talk to them about this openly. I still very much fear to speak openly about all of this except here.

You are not alone, hang on, let it go and may be pray for their souls if you have the strength. Peace.
 
An old friend of mine just 41%’d. Turns out he had trooned out some time ago. I have zero social media presence so I had no idea he had gone that way. I found out by one of my sisters telling me he’d died and sending me screenshots of his Facebook and what he’d become.
He was one of the group that would be round mine every weekend when we were all in our late teens/early 20s and we all knew he was a repressed homosexual. You all know the type, the ones where it all comes pouring out when he’s had a lot to drink or you’re all gurning your faces off on whatever passed for pills at the time.
I always assumed he had moved to a different town and come to terms with himself when we all drifted apart and grew up. RIP
 
Lost a 15 year long friendship over a friend transitioning. It started with a vague suicide threat followed by inviting him to stay over at my place for Christmas, along with another close friend of ours. Maybe a month later I find out he told me a friend of ours had died when said friend had actually just transitioned.

Called him out on it and he said he felt justified because they were a different person, now, which was totally missing the point. The other issue was that it only came to light because he was essentially stalking this friend after... falling in love with them, I guess? He vehemently denied being gay, despite that not even being the issue I had with the whole situation. You tell me a friend is deceased, that isn't, and you think I care if you're gay?

Anyway, long story short, after confronting him and just wanting him to tell me the truth, he refused to and, instead, nuked his entire internet presence to hide from everyone he previously associated with.
 
Just wanted to pass on this piece of advice I once heard, for anyone who deals with suicide threats.

REPORT THEIR ASS. CALL THE POLICE AND TELL THEM X IS SUICIDAL.

They will most likely be commited for a 48 hour psych hold.

Best case scenario: They weren’t lying and you got them the help they need.

Worst case scenario: They were lying, but at least won’t try to pull this nonsense with you again.
I still 100% endorse this advice despite the study posted here.
The thing is, that study was talking about suicidal tendency alongside psychiatric care.
The scenario you are talking about, if I'm not completely off base, is when a person has called you up and said they are committing suicide right now. In that scenario there is a 100% serious chance they will be dead if they are telling the truth in which case you saved them. If they are lying then there isn't suicidal ideation to be increased by psychiatric care nor would they get inpatient care for a fake suicide attempt.
The ones who really were going to kill themselves are nearly always very grateful and glad they had been stopped. The ones who were faking are furious and out themselves with their behaviour afterwards.
 
Peter Boghossian does a lot talking with people on the subject of persuasion, especially with regard to trans. One of his recent podcast episodes brings up ways to help convince people of a closely held belief, and the rhetoric lessons are useful to other people having difficult conversations with friends and family on this subject.

 
I fear I may lose my older cousin to troonism. He's in his mid 30s, broke up with his girlfriend after being together for 15-ish years. They had even moved in together and adopted a dog, I'm not sure what happened, aunt says she mindbroke him or something and then took the dog (his dog, btw) when she left. But now he's refusing to speak to his family, stopped going to work and is spending a lot of time on Discord. IDK if I'm seeing red flags where there are none, but it always happens to people who are hurting and isolated.

For context, my cousin is the manliest dude I've ever met. Now he's shaved his beard and got himself studs. Says he's 'experimenting' with a different style. Kiwis am I going insane or is this a legitimate concern?
 
I fear I may lose my older cousin to troonism. He's in his mid 30s, broke up with his girlfriend after being together for 15-ish years. They had even moved in together and adopted a dog, I'm not sure what happened, aunt says she mindbroke him or something and then took the dog (his dog, btw) when she left. But now he's refusing to speak to his family, stopped going to work and is spending a lot of time on Discord. IDK if I'm seeing red flags where there are none, but it always happens to people who are hurting and isolated.

For context, my cousin is the manliest dude I've ever met. Now he's shaved his beard and got himself studs. Says he's 'experimenting' with a different style. Kiwis am I going insane or is this a legitimate concern?

He’s experimenting alright, but not with his “style”.

Let him know that you’re concerned about him being in a vulnerable place, easy to fall prey to sexual perverts and degenerate trannys. No reason to mince words at this point.
 
I fear I may lose my older cousin to troonism. He's in his mid 30s, broke up with his girlfriend after being together for 15-ish years. They had even moved in together and adopted a dog, I'm not sure what happened, aunt says she mindbroke him or something and then took the dog (his dog, btw) when she left. But now he's refusing to speak to his family, stopped going to work and is spending a lot of time on Discord. IDK if I'm seeing red flags where there are none, but it always happens to people who are hurting and isolated.

For context, my cousin is the manliest dude I've ever met. Now he's shaved his beard and got himself studs. Says he's 'experimenting' with a different style. Kiwis am I going insane or is this a legitimate concern?
Invite him on a hunting trip or something, troonism is a social contagion caused by excess internet and mental delusion, getting some blood on his hands will remember him that the world isn't like the internet says it is.

Or just point him at another group, by the way you're talking, he is probably in a very vulnerable state, so if you find him some other friend group, he will start "absorbing" their traits and talking points very quickly, and abandon troonism.

I say this from personal experience.

Had a friend who went off the deep end once, and got really into drugs and gang culture after a terrible, terrible thing happened to his family. Me and my friends intervened, and I ended up introducing him to my Church.

He has pretty much become a sort of born again Christian.

Even bought himself an apartment! And he is pretty young.

The best way I can put this is that, after experiencing a life destroying event, people seek to change themselves and forget who they once were, remaking their entire personality around some new concept so that what happened to them doesn't happen again.

So, if your cousin is falling prey to trannies taking advantage of his moment of weakness to make him into a degenerate, do whatever you can to push him to other social groups that will make him a better person instead.
 
All I have is this subsection on this godforsaken site to comfort me in the madness.
I feel for you seriously, sounds like what you're feeling is akin to survivors guilt. It's not exactly the same, but it's close enough.

You gotta let it, and him go.

It's hard, and it fucking sucks, but you'll drive yourself crazy dwelling on something you can't change.
I know it sucks, but from what you've said, he's made his choice, and from somenof the shit you've said, he's really not worth you running your head into a wall worrying over.
Some people you can't help. A person has to want to fix their shit, you can't drag them towards the light, you just wrap a chain round your own waist trying.

You gotta let this one go.

Focus on the good things in your life, and the things you can make a positive effect on.
It's gonna get better. Just take time is all.
You did what you can, it's not worth letting a person whose made their choice to embrace delusion and fetish shit ahead of their wellbeing drag you down with them.
 
An older guy I worked with for a couple years just trooned out. He's like fucking 50 and married. Now, I don't really care for this individual as I found him lazy and combative. He would throw a full blown tantrum if you had to correct his work, or tell him he was doing something wrong...which he did quite often. But he's a balding man who looks like a toe. He's in all honestly moderately successful in life, being a middle manager. However, I just can't understand putting why you would put yourself, and your family through that, at that age? Can't you just play dress up at home? It's not like he's got enough hair to grow out.

I feel bad for his family, and all the people caught in his destructive wake as he goes through with this. If he's going to have a mid-life crisis, can't he just buy a fast car?
 
I fear I may lose my older cousin to troonism. He's in his mid 30s, broke up with his girlfriend after being together for 15-ish years. They had even moved in together and adopted a dog, I'm not sure what happened, aunt says she mindbroke him or something and then took the dog (his dog, btw) when she left. But now he's refusing to speak to his family, stopped going to work and is spending a lot of time on Discord. IDK if I'm seeing red flags where there are none, but it always happens to people who are hurting and isolated.

For context, my cousin is the manliest dude I've ever met. Now he's shaved his beard and got himself studs. Says he's 'experimenting' with a different style. Kiwis am I going insane or is this a legitimate concern?
One of my biggest regrets with my brother was not calling him out when I began to notice the red flags. First it was long hair but he was a metal head with a beard so I wrote it off. Then he shaved the beard and got weirdly into skincare, but I figured he was single and trying to be more attractive to women or some shit. By the time he was painting his nails and doing drunken girl voices as “jokes,” I was fully alarmed and debating confronting him but it was far far too late. Troons like to throw you in the pot and slowly dial up the heat. He is still slowly drip feeding my parents with his tranny bullshit. I wish I had said something. For now, try to get your cousin the fuck away from discord/the internet in general — invite him out with the boys, for a movie night, etc. anything to keep him away from the troons.
 
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Not someone close to me, but some nerdy guy I met and became acquainted with a few years back is apparently transgender now. Kind of weird, he seemed like the last person to do that.

It really does feel like people decide to do it way too easily nowadays. Did the number skyrocket during covid? Trump? Before that?
 
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