Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Pecano]

One of my biggest regrets with my brother was not calling him out when I began to notice the red flags. First it was long hair but he was a metal head with a beard so I wrote it off. Then he shaved the beard and got weirdly into skincare, but I figured he was single and trying to be more attractive to women or some shit. By the time he was painting his nails and doing drunken girl voices as “jokes,” I was fully alarmed and debating confronting him but it was far far too late. Troons like to throw you in the pot and slowly dial up the heat. He is still slowly drip feeding my parents with his tranny bullshit. I wish I had said something. For now, try to get your cousin the fuck away from discord/the internet in general — invite him out with the boys, for a movie night, etc. anything to keep him away from the troons.

The nails was the first thing for me with my brother where I was like "what's going on here?" He's always switched between long and short hair as a kid and teenager, so that meant nothing to me and five years ago I got long hair (just something different for a while) and my anti-troonery opinions have gotten bigger. Also, my facial hair looks shit and I find it itchy, so I'm almost always clean shaven, unless I cant be bothered to shave.

Funny, I've also done the dumb girl voices to annoy my friends. Maybe I'm a stubborn outlier.

Seriously though, it really is upsetting basically getting boiled alive by trans ideology.

 

[GayRapistWithAIDs]

Fuck dude, I just saw a picture of what used to be my best friend from Highschool, and they look like a walking fucking corpse. I'd known they were trans for a while, they had told me when we were sophomores that he wished he had been born a woman, and I was not in any way, very supportive of that idea, I was an unironic edgy Nazi in highschool, and I didn't sugar coat how I felt about it. After we graduated we remained friends, he got a job pushing shopping carts at home Depot, and I meandered around, between bullshit jobs, gradually we drifted apart. Eventually COVID happened, and it was a wakeup call for me that I was doing nothing, the days were slipping by and away from me, and I was vocal about how I wished I could go out and change and do things. My friends, namely my former best friend were very vocal about the fact that I was being a bummer, and that no one needed to do anything. I'll admit I was a spaz, I always have been, but I decided to leave, I left the chat and blocked all of them, that was at middle of 2020 I think, and I'm glad I did, I got a new job, I traveled, I moved out, and switched between a bunch of different jobs, but unfortunately tonight, curiosity got the better of me and I tracked down my friend, he looks awful, and he is still fucking pushing carts at Home Depot. I'm glad he is alive at least, but it's just so fucking grim, I loved him, I truly did. But idk, id known from the start he wasn't happy with who he was, maybe I could have helped him, maybe I shouldn't have left, I haven't spoken to him in years, I'd say he looks happy, but every picture ive seen of him, he has that ever present AGP smirk, which to be fair, he did always have. Maybe I should just be happy I got out, that I didn't get dragged down into that, and Lord knows I could have, at the time that I had left, I was a particularly degenerate bisexual. He just looks like a fucking corpse, it's such a mix of emotions I'm feeling rn, on one hand, holy shit, if I was still working as a fucking cart pusher I'd have killed myself years ago, I WAS right, that doing what we were doing was not the way forward, but on the other, that was my best friend. I hope he at least thinks he is happy.

 

[Pedophobe]

But idk, id known from the start he wasn't happy with who he was, maybe I could have helped him, maybe I shouldn't have left,

Sounds like you had plenty of your own stuff to deal with. You can't be expected to live someone else's life for them at the same time.

 

[Thursday]

I've mostly stopped my social media use but check it infrequently to see what my mutuals are up to.

Every mutual of mine on social media that trooned out have not stopped talking about being trans for years now. Many trooned out prior to 2020 due to most being into video games and anime (go figure!) but it feels like I'm not even seeing people anymore... I'm just seeing bots regurgitating an ideology. Jesus christ man how many times are they going to repost "TRANS RIGHTS!!!" until they get sick of it themselves? I've never forced anyone to accept me if they innately don't like me for any reason whatsoever, I just move on with my life but looking at this from the outside it seems nothing short of them trapped in their own handmade hell.

It's terrifying, but if I express even an inch of concern I'll be obliterated for my "transphobia" despite always being kind to every last one of them. I don't hate them, I just wish they'd see how much damage they're doing to their mental health with the false idea that the only reason they're unhappy is because of transphobia.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

Yeah it’s wild to scroll back and see how many mutuals have trooned out. Lotta nb too. Every single one of em has co-morbid mental issues.
Turns out that having Yay For Trannies flashed into your eyeballs 5x a minute for 10 years does have some side effects.

 

[Protistology]

I've mostly stopped my social media use but check it infrequently to see what my mutuals are up to.

Every mutual of mine on social media that trooned out have not stopped talking about being trans for years now. Many trooned out prior to 2020 due to most being into video games and anime (go figure!) but it feels like I'm not even seeing people anymore... I'm just seeing bots regurgitating an ideology. Jesus christ man how many times are they going to repost "TRANS RIGHTS!!!" until they get sick of it themselves? I've never forced anyone to accept me if they innately don't like me for any reason whatsoever, I just move on with my life but looking at this from the outside it seems nothing short of them trapped in their own handmade hell.

It's terrifying, but if I express even an inch of concern I'll be obliterated for my "transphobia" despite always being kind to every last one of them. I don't hate them, I just wish they'd see how much damage they're doing to their mental health with the false idea that the only reason they're unhappy is because of transphobia.

Trans rights is the weirdest thing for me. "Trans rights", "[anime character says] Trans rights". What does that even mean? Trans rights are human rights? Trans rights matter? No, it's just an incomplete sentence. It's so bizarre.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Trans rights is the weirdest thing for me. "Trans rights", "[anime character says] Trans rights". What does that even mean? Trans rights are human rights? Trans rights matter? No, it's just an incomplete sentence. It's so bizarre.

It means "i want to groom children by associating my fetish with a popular cartoon character "

 

[Jarch6]

Old highschool friend is getting dangerously close to trooning out. Besides slurping up every bit of liberal propoganda in college, he recently sent me a picture of himself with painted nails and a they/them pin. Being cordial I didn't inquire further and it doesn't look like he's done anything drastic yet. His parents went through a divorce at a late age and he resents his dad greatly so I suppose the premonitory signs were there but it's still rather shocking.

 

[King Dead]

I've mostly stopped my social media use but check it infrequently to see what my mutuals are up to.

Every mutual of mine on social media that trooned out have not stopped talking about being trans for years now. Many trooned out prior to 2020 due to most being into video games and anime (go figure!) but it feels like I'm not even seeing people anymore... I'm just seeing bots regurgitating an ideology. Jesus christ man how many times are they going to repost "TRANS RIGHTS!!!" until they get sick of it themselves? I've never forced anyone to accept me if they innately don't like me for any reason whatsoever, I just move on with my life but looking at this from the outside it seems nothing short of them trapped in their own handmade hell.

It's terrifying, but if I express even an inch of concern I'll be obliterated for my "transphobia" despite always being kind to every last one of them. I don't hate them, I just wish they'd see how much damage they're doing to their mental health with the false idea that the only reason they're unhappy is because of transphobia.

It's straight up culty behavior, is what it is. Anyone who's been around them long enough can attest to this. They don't seem like people anymore, they've gone full NPC and only parrot what the cult tells them to. It's truly disheartening to see people that you used to know that were lively and fun and energetic, and most of all human, turn into boring sad sacks that repeat the same lines over and over.

I wish there were a foolproof way to tell them how you feel without them blowing up on you for not accepting their true selves, but if there exists one then I haven't found it yet. I want to just say, "look, I really do care about you, I don't hate you, but this isn't you, you're clearly not happier than you were before, take a step back and ask yourself if you're any better off than you were before all this." But then I'd get screeched at and either blocked or canceled.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Trans rights is the weirdest thing for me. "Trans rights", "[anime character says] Trans rights". What does that even mean? Trans rights are human rights? Trans rights matter? No, it's just an incomplete sentence. It's so bizarre.

I'm too lazy to find anything but a pop science article on cults so feel free to google it yourself:

In a darkly humorus twist, the article answers why troons are so successful and cultlike: pick on weaknesses, offer a group, create us verses them...

Trans rights is a thought terminator. You can't argue with trans rights, you slap that down and it's all up in there, no argument and no questions unless you're a bigot. It's also theoretically empowering by giving them something "brave" to say, something they can declare proudly against any who are opposing them or as a rallying cry to find their fellow members.

 

[doodoocaca]

Well, yeah, troons are a fucking cult, to a fucking T. Same with woqueness. Same with most american political bullshit right now, for that matter.

Fuck it all, but TTD first, QTIYD.

 

[Zirnwyb]

An online friend I haven't spoken to in a while contacted me recently and we've been talking again. It's been nice to talk with him again since him and I used to nerd out about shit a lot. Today he decided to drop this bomb on me

and I just responded with "I see. Well that is certainly a thing." and have been ignoring him since. I don't know what to say to him beyond that because I just don't want to talk to him anymore. This is a guy who has issues with finding women to be with because he's well... I'm going to come off rude as fuck but, well, he straight up looks like Cobes. Barring appearance, he's someone that constantly rags on himself so when he DOES find a woman to be with they don't stay with him for long because they get tired of him being so shitty about himself to himself. The fact that he chose something so degenerate as listening to someone get off as his troon awakening pretty much has me completely disgusted. Maybe in his mind he'll be able to find a woman to be with when he's his True and Honest self but I know that isn't going to happen. He's going to end up 41%ing because he's chronically depressed. The fact that he thinks this is the best path for him just makes me want to scream at him over how stupid he is but I know when you confront people over shit like this they double down on it.

 

[Fapcop]

An online friend I haven't spoken to in a while contacted me recently and we've been talking again. It's been nice to talk with him again since him and I used to nerd out about shit a lot. Today he decided to drop this bomb on meView attachment 5587072
and I just responded with "I see. Well that is certainly a thing." and have been ignoring him since. I don't know what to say to him beyond that because I just don't want to talk to him anymore. This is a guy who has issues with finding women to be with because he's well... I'm going to come off rude as fuck but, well, he straight up looks like Cobes. Barring appearance, he's someone that constantly rags on himself so when he DOES find a woman to be with they don't stay with him for long because they get tired of him being so shitty about himself to himself. The fact that he chose something so degenerate as listening to someone get off as his troon awakening pretty much has me completely disgusted. Maybe in his mind he'll be able to find a woman to be with when he's his True and Honest self but I know that isn't going to happen. He's going to end up 41%ing because he's chronically depressed. The fact that he thinks this is the best path for him just makes me want to scream at him over how stupid he is but I know when you confront people over shit like this they double down on it.

Online friendships aren’t IRL friendships, but I’d still reckon you at least owe it to him to ask a few simple questions.

Namely: “Wouldn’t you rather be an average/below looking guy than a hideous woman? Because you ain’t exactly small, dainty and traditionally attractive”

“Aren’t you concerned with this negatively impacting your dating pool? If you look at numbers, there are a lot less lesbians out there?” (You may, depending on how much you care about him logging off in a huff, add that the number of lesbians looking for a woman with a penis is even smaller.


“Do you really need MORE complications in your life? You have issues with X. Why add more problems, before you solve that? You may think it’ll solve everything, but I’d think it would just make everything more difficult?”

You may be too late, but maybe it would make him think a little.

 

[Zirnwyb]

Online friendships aren’t IRL friendships, but I’d still reckon you at least owe it to him to ask a few simple questions.

Namely: “Wouldn’t you rather be an average/below looking guy than a hideous woman? Because you ain’t exactly small, dainty and traditionally attractive”

“Aren’t you concerned with this negatively impacting your dating pool? If you look at numbers, there are a lot less lesbians out there?” (You may, depending on how much you care about him logging off in a huff, add that the number of lesbians looking for a woman with a penis is even smaller.


“Do you really need MORE complications in your life? You have issues with X. Why add more problems, before you solve that? You may think it’ll solve everything, but I’d think it would just make everything more difficult?”

You may be too late, but maybe it would make him think a little.

Honestly? I could ask him all of that but I'm not going to. Decided I'd rather just not speak to him anymore. I tried that whole song and dance before and it got me labeled as "problematic". Whatever the fuck that means. Would rather not spend my time walking on eggshells to appease a troon. Got more important shit to worry about in life.

 

[Ser Prize]

I'm too lazy to find anything but a pop science article on cults so feel free to google it yourself:
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In a darkly humorus twist, the article answers why troons are so successful and cultlike: pick on weaknesses, offer a group, create us verses them...

Trans rights is a thought terminator. You can't argue with trans rights, you slap that down and it's all up in there, no argument and no questions unless you're a bigot. It's also theoretically empowering by giving them something "brave" to say, something they can declare proudly against any who are opposing them or as a rallying cry to find their fellow members.

I wouldn't call it 'cultlike'. Let's be honest: it's a cult. Has all the hallmarks, even castration.

 

[Kilo Riley]

Spoiler: Mentioned this in another thread, trying to avoid powerleveling.

I had a friend. I met her through an online circle and became very close with her in a very short amount of time, as did the rest of our friend circle. It was a bunch of irreverent, politically incorrect shits that just happened to live in similar geological areas and eventually planned on meeting up at some point or another. This is where me and this friend, who for the sake of brevity I will call her B, met.

B was the stereotypical autistic tomboy. Hyperfixated on one or two things at a time, usually a video game or a manga, but ultimately harmless. Short hair, glasses, and a rough background. I liked B a lot, and I'm not ashamed to say that she was one of my favorite people in that group. Everybody loved B. Her positive energy was infectious, even if she was a bit touched with the tism. You could be talking about anything and she'd respond with the same enthusiasm as if she were talking about her hyperfixation of the month. She also was just as fond of our silly, irreverent attitudes as any of us, with the only real stickler being was that she didn't entirely align with the group's general political philosophy, which was mostly center-right leaning aside from me and this person. B was also a desister, another common point between she and I. We joked t hat we were the group's resident faggots on occasion.

Eventually, B drifts out of the group because of some drama involving another member of the group, but I'm one of the people she keeps in touch with. I notice that things are a little different now. We share a lot more personal information about ourselves, and we become closer, though it never went beyond 'good friends'. But B... changes. Slowly but surely, they change, until I'm the only person left in the social circle that has any contact with her, they're confiding in me doubts about themselves and their identity, how they see themselves, some of the things that happened in their life. I tried my best to be a supportive friend. In some ways, I was maybe too supportive.

The last time B and I spoke was years ago now. Of that friend group, I have one friend who I consider a brother, and he and I will likely remain friends forever. A while ago, he mentioned something about B, though neither of us could remember her name. And then it all hit me at once. I went looking for my friend. I'd failed them, I reasoned, and I needed to at least see how they were doing.

B says she's a man now, and that's the last anyone had heard of her. Her internet presence is gone, the people I knew from our friend groups have all vanished in the wind, and the only thing I have are the memories of happier times spent with friends who have all drifted apart in their own way, but those other friends, I still see. My other friends from that group are all successful, in their own ways, finding love, joy, and happiness wherever they can. Some of us still have our own personal struggles- I know that I'm fighting the same battles as I was then, though I have a new family who loves me as I am and helps me along in that journey.

But now I think about the things I regret in life, the people that I've lost and I've missed, and I wonder where my friend has gone. Is she happy with who she is now, after being just as unhappy as a 'man and a woman'? Has she fallen in with a crowd no better than the one that made her life miserable? Did their life, as tough and twisted as it was, finally take enough of a toll on them that they became another suicide statistic?

These silent moments of contemplation peaked me. I struggled with mental illness, with the feeling that I was not in my right mind or body, that I needed to mutilate myself and impose this strange new dogma on the people around me, and I eventually recognized it for what it was- a delusion of the same flavor as 'you're not good enough', 'no one will miss you when you're gone', and 'they're out to get you.' And I lost my friend to this delusion. I've lost others since, but B still sticks in my mind.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Not so much "losing" as "oh god another youtuber trooned". Anyone remember Door Monster? One of the OG Youtube sketch comedy channels. Did some pretty ambitious stuff and was pivoting to do bigger things right when the rona shit happened.

Some time in the last couple of years, one of their long-term members - Ethan Gelinas - trooned out and decided to announce it on the update video the channel did at christmas, explaining where everyone was these days.

This guy:



...has decided he is now a woman. All he does is stream games on twitch under the name "earnest wheat", or "olive", and whine about how much everything sucks for him these days. I can't say I'm all that surprised. I am a little surprised there was no door monster thread in the multimedia board, otherwise I would have posted this there instead. This seemed like the next best place.

 

[Ser Prize]

@Kilo Riley

If I'm reading this right then B was a tranny, detransed, them relapsed? That's rough.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Not someone close to me, but some nerdy guy I met and became acquainted with a few years back is apparently transgender now. Kind of weird, he seemed like the last person to do that.

It really does feel like people decide to do it way too easily nowadays. Did the number skyrocket during covid? Trump? Before that?

I've said it in another thread, but basically, COVID has a lot to do with it.
More directly: people spending time alone with themselves will drive people to come to some wild conclusions.
Most people can't be alone with themselves. They don't know what to do without regular feedback from other people, so in the absence of the assertion of what you are by the people that you associate with; someone once said that you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.

If those five people don't exist in a material way to you, you're left to figure out who you are when you're by yourself.
My theory is that a lot of people want to be trans more than they want to be the opposite gender (which supports the concept of "non-binary"), because it's this fabulous lifestyle that gets you support, accolades and it's, at least for the moment, relatively free of criticism, unlike the boring person you were before, who isn't as interesting or praise-worthy.

Hell...

Spoiler: I'm 'bout to PL...

I lived a very isolated life as an older teenager/20something, and I seriously thought that I was supposed to have been born a man. Had I been born a couple of decades later I would probably have been swept up in the movement as well. As it turns out, I'm fine as a woman but I had to get there. Most people aren't interested in introspection and self-acceptance.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

1. Not someone I know..
2. Mobile fag, please excuse me.

I was cleaning up the channels I'm subbed to on YouTube and I came across this channel that I watched some time ago. He made metal covers of video game music. I haven't seen much of him as he's been on hiatus and it turns out it's because he trooned out..

This is what he used to look like.

This is what he looks like now.

This is the video that kinda explains it all

Huh okay. Well time to unsub because people are beginning to call him mom.

Edit: No longer mobile fagging.