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If this thread ends up becoming a place where autistic family-oriented nerds find each other, then maybe Kiwifarm's public image could change for the better? (unlikely)
r/childfree - Where child-haters congregate
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Considering most of us are probably male, I doubt that's likely.
Montalbane
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I found out thats not true the hard way.
Thought I was cumming into a boyhole only to find out it was a vagina (female).
Am I wrong in thinking that this is just a female-centric version of the incel ideology?
Both take something that could be considered normal, "not having kids", "not having sex" and turning it into a political ideology with their own language such a "Stacy" and "breeder", "looksmax", "DINK".
Then they spend all their free-time on internet communities coping and ranting about the "Chad"/"Crotchfruit" at Thanksgiving dinner.
Both seem to rebell against what's expected of each sex.
Men are expected to find a wife, women are expected to have children.
Both take something that could be considered normal, "not having kids", "not having sex" and turning it into a political ideology with their own language such a "Stacy" and "breeder", "looksmax", "DINK".
Then they spend all their free-time on internet communities coping and ranting about the "Chad"/"Crotchfruit" at Thanksgiving dinner.
Both seem to rebell against what's expected of each sex.
Men are expected to find a wife, women are expected to have children.
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And don't have families/gfs/sexual intercourse
SpiderBitch
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I feel like it's less general incel and specifically MGTOW- for people going their own way, they sure do spend a lot of time bitching about the people they allegedly separating themselves from
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I know some members of that subreddit legitimately become distressed if a celebrity they looked up to gets kids, or if a fucking cartoon character does. I've seen a lot of Rick and Morty or Bojack Horseman (the "It's A(borted)" balloon meme) edits while lurking the sub. For people that claim to have a lot more freedom and self-worth without kids, they sure do attach a lot of stakes to random people/drawings.
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Rick and Morty memes are always the cornerstone of a deep intellectual's mental architecture.
Tootsie Bear
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Oh man! This reminds me of when I was an edgy atheist and how often I saw posts that emotions were nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain. If there's one thing that dehumanizes these groups it's that.
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Frankly you have to have a high IQ to comprehend Rick and Morty memes and to end your genetic line because nihilist soience-lovers say so.
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Although the incel position is generally that they want to find a partner and can't, where as the childfree types try to reinforce a collective delusion that having children is awful and they're overjoyed to never have them.
My guess is that a whole lot of these are women who are at an age where they're seeing other girls moving towards having kids and are bitter/insecure about the fact they aren't (either because they aren't in a position to or because they're womanchilds who are emotionally still kids themselves). It's cope more than rebellion.
I'm no Rick and Morty expert, but I'm pretty sure the idea is supposed to be that Rick Sanchez says shit like that, but you as a viewer are supposed to infer by his life of depressed nihilism, constant drinking, frustration, social alienation, etc. that in fact no matter how much you try to reject the more ephemeral elements of life (like love, family, purpose) as being nothing but an illusion for regressive idiots, we can't get away from them and need them to feel fulfillment.
So that post is probably more appropriate than they realize.
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The only DINKs I know who are successful, wealthy, and happy wanted kids but couldn't. Right now some elderly relatives of mine are shedding their wealth with philanthropy and nieces and nephews that their comfortable life couldn't burn through.
Granted I also know of people who's marriage was destroyed by infertility.
There's another class of DINK that I've encountered but they're all relatively young so who knows maybe their lives will blossom by their 80s. The ones I work with can barely afford rent but in the same breath brag about how much money they're saving. Back when I was renting some dorks in the neighborhood had a spoof of those family window stickers on their Civic, but instead of children it was bags of money. Considering their car and the crappy complex they were parked in front of, well I'm going to guess they weren't swimming in it like Scrooge McDuck.
Granted I drive an ugly piece of shit most days and this kind of behavior is why my family has money. Anyway, children are a giant investment but I feel like for a lot of people if there's money in the bank it gets spent, making it seem like they can't afford children. It would mean having to move out of expensive hip areas, relinquish some hobbies, reduce travel, and stop updating possessions to follow trends. I recognize many won't want to do that.
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Kids are not as expensive as antinatalists constantly claim. Incels have convinced themselves they'll never find a GF because their jaw bone is the wrong size. Childfrees have convinced themselves they'll never have kids because they can never afford to. The difference is they get really fucking smug and confident about this "fact", the same way they do about "believing in science" and global warming.
It's a lie. It's liberal propaganda. The gay Jewish financial guru that makes you feel smart on TikTok is lying to you about how expensive it is and how much money you'll have to make. They believe it and they repeat it because it makes them feel smart and safe.
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Your first kid is expensive at first, because you’re having to get so much stuff for an infant and pay for hospital bills. Beyond that they’re pretty inexpensive. If you have more kids they start to get much cheaper because you tend to reuse the stuff you bought for the first/previous.
Food expenses do go up and once they’re a little more independent you do end up having to buy stuff for them like toys or furniture but if you’re smart you can save money still, using Facebook marketplace for furniture, keeping track of sales and clearance items and, buying in bulk at the DINKs favorite (sponsored) place, Costco.
However, having kids is a huge motivator to improve your life and career, as you’ll want to increase your kids’ quality of life.
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If you're frugal and good with thrifting and Facebook marketplace you'll have kids clothes and toys thrown at you. People will stop you in the store and ask if you want their old stuff. The only people paying full price for baby clothes and toys are boomers buying gifts for their grandkids.
Outside of hospital bills, daycare is the biggest expense but that's something you should try to avoid by working from home or alternate shifts or pretty much anything else. You should really try to break out of a corporate structured life as much as you can.
When I think of a DINK I think of a woman drinking Starbucks with the newest color $40 sparkly cup, in an expensive looking office covered in gay pride flags reading emails and thinking about which coworker she wants to complain to HR about and which one she wants to fellate. When she gets home at night her and her husband ("partner") build Legos, play cartoon video games (is Borderlands still a thing), watch reels on social media, and go to bed. Two obese negros fighting in Wendy's is more civilized and natural than the life of a corporate wagie DINK.
That woman is going to tell the world her life is somehow better than yours because she is responsible with her money and knows that it costs 3.5 million dollars to have a child over 18 years and she'd rather have free time at night to engage in her hobbies (kids games and toys). I'd rather be broke and struggling with a family of my own than financially stable without kids.
Also having kids shows you the world in a different way. Life is just suddenly so much more meaningful and you will understand the entire human species differently when you watch your child grow up. I'm not trying to say it's a positive experience all the time but it's definitely real, which is what people are truly searching for deep down.
Outside of hospital bills, daycare is the biggest expense but that's something you should try to avoid by working from home or alternate shifts or pretty much anything else. You should really try to break out of a corporate structured life as much as you can.
When I think of a DINK I think of a woman drinking Starbucks with the newest color $40 sparkly cup, in an expensive looking office covered in gay pride flags reading emails and thinking about which coworker she wants to complain to HR about and which one she wants to fellate. When she gets home at night her and her husband ("partner") build Legos, play cartoon video games (is Borderlands still a thing), watch reels on social media, and go to bed. Two obese negros fighting in Wendy's is more civilized and natural than the life of a corporate wagie DINK.
That woman is going to tell the world her life is somehow better than yours because she is responsible with her money and knows that it costs 3.5 million dollars to have a child over 18 years and she'd rather have free time at night to engage in her hobbies (kids games and toys). I'd rather be broke and struggling with a family of my own than financially stable without kids.
Also having kids shows you the world in a different way. Life is just suddenly so much more meaningful and you will understand the entire human species differently when you watch your child grow up. I'm not trying to say it's a positive experience all the time but it's definitely real, which is what people are truly searching for deep down.
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Yup. The norm should be single income households. With how expensive daycare is these days if your wife is not in a high paying field her income just goes toward daycare anyways. it It also makes for happier families, stronger bond between husband and wife, and everyone feeling more fulfilled.
Every woman I know who became a stay at home mom, even with the loss of income, were much happier and more fulfilled than going to a cubicle and sitting behind a keyboard 5 times a week. Although, every woman, including my family, I know are traditional, no “screen time”, etc. So I’m speaking from personal perspective.
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This is a good point. The argument from childfree redditors is that both parents have to work and half of one salary goes to pay childcare, which is a huge waste and more proof that kids are way too expensive to have.
Forget about the cost of childcare. The logistics of that is almost just as stressful as the cost. Wake up even earlier than usual to get the kid packed and dressed up, add more time to the commute to dump your kid at some day care that's probably run by rapists and/or Filipinos. And when you're done with your daily toil and gossip at work you have to sit in traffic to go pick them up.
So don't do it. Take the salary loss. Make less money. Buy less stupid shit. Take less vacations. Stop climbing the ladder and have a family instead. It isn't too expensive.
And even if you did have to pay for childcare it's still manageable and it's worth it.
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Suzanne Venker (niece of absolute legend Phyllis Schlafly) has spent the last twenty five years trying to push against the culture of daycare and working moms. Her thesis is: for the first three years of a kid's life, mom is essential for baby's neurological development, and couples need to find ways to keep her home. After that, the baby's brain can handle the separation a bit better.
She came of age during the eighties, and has been beating this drum since the nineties. She coaches couples and and moms trying to figure it out.
What I find interesting is what she says has changed. When she first started, everyone agreed with her, and were aware that it was just dumb feminists with the media megaphone being wrong but loud. Now, she says young women are literally never told any of this, and only start looking into it once they have put their babies into daycare and the whole family is doing terribly.
Before, she would help with ideas about how couples could cut expenses, and some data about brain development. Now, young women have to contend with their own ignorance, plus a spouse who thinks his wife shouldn't take a break in earning money because equality. Many young men see their wives mothering their babies as a financial drain, as they also think daycare is just as good as mom. This is a change, young men used to take pride in being able to support their wives staying at home with babies.
Anyways, she recommends that women plan their lives around professions that let them dip in and out or work part time as their circumstances change. For example, be a teacher, not a lawyer. A nurse rather than a doctor. The classic female professions are thus because women need flexibility more than literally anything else in their working lives.
Basically, if young women understood this, they could plan their lives better rather than trying to course-correct once they are already in the shit with high mortgage and student loan debt wielding the lash..
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It's sad but not surprising. It's part of the cultural shift that happened during Obama's presidency and escalated greatly during Trump's campaign. Ideas that were widely accepted, practical and even intelligent are now seen as twisted, oppressive wives tales.
I don't know how it's going to affect the children in the long term.