Total Retard War: Lessons of War - Taking the tactics of Honeycomb.io's Field CTO Liz Fong-Jones and making them available to everyone.

[Harvey Danger]

I think the first article should be a overview of what the farms is. Ive found talking to people IRL, people really don't know what this place is, and those that do think its some dark web hacker fourm that sells drugs. As a writer, I would request

• Personal anectdotes as to why you stay on the farms- community, friends, etc
• What your favorite board is and why (If everyone says chris chan i will cut you)
• What you think of Josh
• How has the feeling of community helped you in your day to day life?
• Any notes of learning anything on the farms- cars, movie facts, electronics
• How has the farms made the world safer (Hint, nick bates tier pedos getting locked up)

Let me know people. This will be our first shot across the bow

The personal stuff helps 1-to-1, but not as a statement to the world.

Essentially you need a counter to Wikipedia, in its rough style and tone. At the top: interest them in the first 10 seconds of reading, reiterate and outline the whole thing within 30 seconds, deliver the whole premise within 2 minutes (finishing the top summary). Embed links along the way, so that they can read longer explanations later, and link to verification sources within that longer section. But many people just stop at the top and are convinced by the summary.

And just like Wikipedia, you can ascribe motivations in that summary to get the point across. For a pro-Farms page, you don't have to include every single warning and mod action to prove KF doesn't harass people; just state it and link to the longer summary below. For a LFJ dossier page, you don't have to include every single scrap of what he's said; just note "he started the crusade to erase personally embarassing evidence that he abuses his job position, covers up for sexual abuse, and is an accused rapist himself".

You need the virtual equivalent of a pamphlet, with all the restraint and editing that implies. Or the equivalent of LFJ's own attack email. Something professional enough that you can hand it to your boss and say "everything I said is true, here's the summary".

 

[Null]

Maybe I'm stupid and don't understand what this project is but if you're trying to convince people that KF has provides value to society you should be very conservative to filter out all but the most "objective" wins. Wins that cannot be argued against in good faith, that's why I mention the zoosadism stuff.

I've seen it come up over and over on plebian websites, people can't argue against it, "I hate KF buuuuut they did expose the zoosadists" x20 --le redditor.

The second you start talking about trannies, for any reason, even regarding charity fraud, normies will recoil in panic because they know they're not allowed to even discuss the issue. You will never get fired from your job for denouncing puppy torture, but you can be fired for denouncing genital mutilation of human children.

You don't have to convince people KF is "good", but that it's existence is valid, that it serves a functional purpose, even if gray. Frankly we shouldn't have to prove that, just that KFs existence protects all other websites from censorship. When KF disappears, you're next. If KF exists, you should feel safe. But most people don't see it that way.

I disagree. I think that even transgender activists would agree it's an important win. It was spurred on by FtM activist Buck Angel. To them, betraying the community is a huge sin.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Id love to say my piece as to why I like the place but perhaps making a thread would be a good start to this rather than having people answer your questions ITT.

I think Crunk is going to do that sometime soon. Not asking for a novel, just a sentance or two.

This place is lifeline and a blessing for anyone who is seriously interested in undermining zoosadists. People who get pleasure out of torturing animals are rooting for dropkiwifarms. If you’re serious about this give me 24 hours and I’ll try and have something over to you.

If you have articles, DM me or put them on my wall. I am very serious about this

Although I much like your rationalism and optimism, I don't think we're dealing with honorable or sensible individuals. Aristotelian logic and rationality are unimportant to these folks. All of them are focused on advancing agendas, fetishes, and suppressing anything that deviates from them.

Todd down the street seems pretty rational to me. That is who these articles are for

The personal stuff helps 1-to-1, but not as a statement to the world.

Essentially you need a counter to Wikipedia, in its rough style and tone. At the top: interest them in the first 10 seconds of reading, reiterate and outline the whole thing within 30 seconds, deliver the whole premise within 2 minutes (finishing the top summary). Embed links along the way, so that they can read longer explanations later, and link to verification sources within that longer section. But many people just stop at the top and are convinced by the summary.

And just like Wikipedia, you can ascribe motivations in that summary to get the point across. For a pro-Farms page, you don't have to include every single warning and mod action to prove KF doesn't harass people; just state it and link to the longer summary below. For a LFJ dossier page, you don't have to include every single scrap of what he's said; just note "he started the crusade to erase personally embarassing evidence that he abuses his job position, covers up for sexual abuse, and is an accused rapist himself".

You need the virtual equivalent of a pamphlet, with all the restraint and editing that implies. Or the equivalent of LFJ's own attack email. Something professional enough that you can hand it to your boss and say "everything I said is true, here's the summary".

I was thinking more along the lines of a informative pamphlet, for a start anyway. LFJ honestly is later down the line. We must show why we have the right to exist first

 

[OK_Cogitator]

I dunno most of these solutions seem to depend on a system that hates us. media, lol. government, lol. jewish corporate entity out of DC, double lol....

Anyway here is my crazy idea:

Can we dump like a K or two into buying wacky domains and making themed frontends? 100+ domains all making calls to one backend API (just an IP), have users make themes and buy the domains.

Imagine Dong Gone trying to explain that potatoplantation.pl and flightlessbirdwatchers.net and cornharvesting.co.uk and god knows what else are the ALL the kiwi farms even though they have no direct connection to Jersh. It would get really schizo sounding real fast and it would be extra annoying for cogent employees to process (especially when their support system is getting so many reports about so many sites for so many reasons) and they would have to waste a ton of time and money coming up with proceedures or tooling and since domains are cheap and they can't blacklist us all you could literally do it forever... and it would be fun to see who could come up with best and most memorable domains/themes and to watch them rise and fall.

If any domain owner decides to go rouge you just revoke their API key.

I love this and I have a fucking armada* of the "hey, it was funny to me, fuck off" domain names I've bought over the years and autistically renew every year since I never know when I'll need mypetmexican.com**, or the like, for some esoteric reason.

This may be my time to shine.

* Armada == 34.

** This is an example URL meant to illustrate how retarded my domains are, but I may have to scoop it up and make it the 35th.

 

[Enne]

If we're going for the court of public opinion thing then maybe Null could do a stream or record a video on the history of the site and what really happened throughout all these events and what he's had to deal with. Retards do not read websites and they just consume content on youtube or whatever, the issue with this is that it wouldn't really be able to go around on youtube because the archive sites will get taken down before any of their videos spread around too much but I don't know if it's worth a shot, maybe if there's evidence for certain events it could be shown alongside audio clips and spread around on tiktok like Null suggested doing for his stream clips since the kinds of things that go viral on tiktok can be pretty out there. It would also probably need to be presented without the nigger/tranny words since it makes it harder to share with others for the nigger cattle but I'm sure that's manageable.

Not sure this is a worthwhile suggestion but thought I'd put it out there.

 

[JULAY]

Man, i miss the 2006 freedom era or 1990's of expression.

Indeed. I'm old enough to remember when the prevailing ethos was "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

That idea seems hopelessly anachronistic now. The corporate consolidation of telecommunications and website ownership has enabled the oligarchs to herd everyone into walled gardens where only the approved opinions on any given topic are allowed.

This is what they want for the world, and unfortunately, sooner or later, they're probably going to get it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I disagree. I think that even transgender activists would agree it's an important win. It was spurred on by FtM activist Buck Angel. To them, betraying the community is a huge sin.

Hmm. This would have to be done carefully and with a high degree of precision. It would essentially have to be written that i could hand this to a transgender, they read it, and agree that trans life line was doing really shitty behavior. I need to know more about this before i start writing on it

If we're going for the court of public opinion thing then maybe Null could do a stream or record a video on the history of the site and what really happened throughout all these events and what he's had to deal with. Retards do not read websites and they just consume content on youtube or whatever, the issue with this is that it wouldn't really be able to go around on youtube because the archive sites will get taken down before any of their videos spread around too much but I don't know if it's worth a shot, maybe if there's evidence for certain events it could be shown alongside audio clips and spread around on tiktok like Null suggested doing for his stream clips since the kinds of things that go viral on tiktok can be pretty out there. It would also probably need to be presented without the nigger/tranny words since it makes it harder to share with others for the nigger cattle but I'm sure that's manageable.

Not sure this is a worthwhile suggestion but thought I'd put it out there.

Are you serious? I read my little google news feed daily. Most of its garbage, but if im bored, its something to do. People like articles. You just have to present them properly

 

[Monopoly Supporter]

I joined because I have not seen anything about RIFO transparency requirements being mentioned. Under the Restoring Internet Freedom Order, if ISPs are to block or degrade service to lawful content they MUST make a public notice on their website. HE and Cogent are in DIRECT VIOLATION of this rule as they intentionally leave @Null out of the loop and try to keep their lawful content blocks as secretive as possible. According to the FCC, these violations should be reported to both the FCC and, because broadband is not Title II, the FTC. Also feel free to read the whole RIFO because I probably missed some other requirements that these ISPs (really long distance carriers) are not following.

It is interesting that it’s always the pro-Net Neutrality people who enjoy censorship the most. Cloudflare, Cogent, Namecheap, Google, Reddit, etc. like Net Neutrality only for economic reasons, not for freeze peach. Title II classification was based on the economic reasons and makes the assumption that ISPs will act in their best financial interests and not go on tirades against people saying mean things on the Internet.

 

[mindlessobserver]

If we're going for the court of public opinion thing then maybe Null could do a stream or record a video on the history of the site and what really happened throughout all these events and what he's had to deal with. Retards do not read websites and they just consume content on youtube or whatever, the issue with this is that it wouldn't really be able to go around on youtube because the archive sites will get taken down before any of their videos spread around too much but I don't know if it's worth a shot, maybe if there's evidence for certain events it could be shown alongside audio clips and spread around on tiktok like Null suggested doing for his stream clips since the kinds of things that go viral on tiktok can be pretty out there. It would also probably need to be presented without the nigger/tranny words since it makes it harder to share with others for the nigger cattle but I'm sure that's manageable.

Not sure this is a worthwhile suggestion but thought I'd put it out there.

At the very least deboonking the Wikipedia article in some form of media can help. Also bring up the screenshot of the Wikipedia powermod basically saying he doesn't care if it's lies so long as the community "agrees the lies are true".

There are screenshots of that floating around the website.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I disagree. I think that even transgender activists would agree it's an important win. It was spurred on by FtM activist Buck Angel. To them, betraying the community is a huge sin.

Maybe, but Buck Angel is a Trans-Medicalist and is already in the TERF bucket. It opens up any article to a ton of bad faith attacks that most possibly-sympathetic people will not be able to parse through. Complexity makes for bad rhetoric. No one wants to google around and try to figure out if Buck Angel is actually a nazi or not, no one even knows what a trans-medicalist even is. No longer is the article about demonstrating the "in the public interest"-ness of KF, but litigating this specific complex thing.

 

[1962s Godzilla]

If they made slips before those could be used against them

 

[Fugma]

Gape the trannies, total retard war now

 

[WelperHelper99]

At the very least deboonking the Wikipedia article in some form of media can help. Also bring up the screenshot of the Wikipedia powermod basically saying he doesn't care if it's lies so long as the community "agrees the lies are true".

There are screenshots of that floating around the website.

It feels very... internet. Non tangible. The wikipedia article and that mod is certainly important- to us. Not necessarily to the people that can help us. To be perfectly frank they may never have even read the Wikipedia article. We need to appeal to the wider market. Things that specifically affect them. That's why the SOPA campaign was effective- they managed to do that, make it the normie's problem

Maybe, but Buck Angel is a Trans-Medicalist and is already in the TERF bucket. It opens up any article to a ton of bad faith attacks that most possibly-sympathetic people will not be able to parse through. Complexity makes for bad rhetoric. No one wants to google around and try to figure out if Buck Angel is actually a nazi or not, no one even knows what a trans-medicalist even is. No longer is the article about demonstrating the "in the public interest"-ness of KF, but litigating this specific complex thing.

That is a good point. We'd have a lot of overlapping fields of fire. It's why i said i would have needed to read more into the subject before writing on it. Generally ive found in general conversation talking about trannies are a bit unsettling. Add in all these politics, and you'll just piss off whoever you're trying to reach.

 

[JULAY]

I can think of a few notable KF Ws that would paint us in a sympathetic light... Documenting Nick Bate's behavior might not have led directly to him being imprisoned for his disgusting crimes against his sister, but it certainly harms the narrative that we're an overt evil that exists solely to dox and harass innocent people.

And though there's plenty of room for debate about bringing up "the most persecuted minority in human history", i.e. troons, it is a matter of record that when Elizabeth Waite died, and the TLL crowd tried to smear us as being responsible, her widow went public with her experiences with both them and us, and said that she had nothing but positive interactions with the users here, while that shitbag Greta Gustava refused to stop invoking Waite's name in order to fundraise over her corpse even after Waite's widow explicitly asked Greta to stop.

Also, we did have a fundraiser for CWC after his house burned down. That gets a bit morally grey though since the original purpose of the board was Chris discussion though.

I'll have to think about other times where KF has been an inarguably good thing to have in the world. Ten years is a long time, and a lot of memories to sift through.

 

[Westfalia]

I think the whole idea of mending the public opinions and optics of the site are a fruitless endeavor. We're in the age of people just beveling whatever they read or told with zero desire to verify anything. That's how this mess started. Not to mention trying to convince anyone this day and age they are wrong is like screaming into the void, there's almost no self responsibility anymore. Breaking into the mainstream counterculture is the only path I see to at the very least influence a change in public perception. I see Josh is already mentioning folks of influence on Xitter and I think that's the best shot at this juncture.

As an aside what I genuinely don't understand is why 4chan is able to host /pol/ and is (I assume) is generally left alone. Other than the feds clearly using it as a honey pot, I cannot understand the double standards at play. Hell, /pol/ was the impetus for moot's departure and that seems like ages ago.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Also, we did have a fundraiser for CWC after his house burned down. That gets a bit morally grey though since the original purpose of the board was Chris discussion though.

I've thought of this too. That at the time was a really wholesome chungus moment. A great thing. We even got the "Null is a dull lol" meme out of it. Same thing with stopping the idea guys. Chris is just tainted, both after the Incest saga, and honestly when the trolls first found him. Most people would find bluespike catfishing chris and getting him to shove a clay medallion up his ass just a bit cruel to say the least. If we were to write anything on Chris, it would have to be the most cherrypicked article imaginable that railroads the reader the entire way so they don't learn about the rest. Very high risk.

 

[Constellationzero]

If we're going for the court of public opinion thing then maybe Null could do a stream or record a video on the history of the site and what really happened throughout all these events and what he's had to deal with. Retards do not read websites and they just consume content on youtube or whatever, the issue with this is that it wouldn't really be able to go around on youtube because the archive sites will get taken down before any of their videos spread around too much but I don't know if it's worth a shot, maybe if there's evidence for certain events it could be shown alongside audio clips and spread around on tiktok like Null suggested doing for his stream clips since the kinds of things that go viral on tiktok can be pretty out there. It would also probably need to be presented without the nigger/tranny words since it makes it harder to share with others for the nigger cattle but I'm sure that's manageable.

Not sure this is a worthwhile suggestion but thought I'd put it out there.

I'm aware that Josh doesn't like A&N. Having said that, how about giving a platform/voice to those who come to the Farms to read the news.

This is the main reason that brings me to the Farms. Yeah, I follow some cows and enjoy the discussion on the Worst of Stephen King. Making fun of Troonzz and Poonzz is hilarious, but I'm old.
I come here to read the news. Nation/World news, plus some regional news from my neck of flyover country. Why?

Because the Farms is the ONLY PLACE LEFT that I know of that allows readers to comment FREELY. And that's important. Why?
Because (don't lie) we come to read comments to see if:

* I'm the only one who thinks this way
* Am I the only one fed up with niggers and illegals
* Am I the only lesbian fed up with the LGBT
* Am I the only person who's noticing how little groceries I can buy with a twenty
* What about the price of gas
* And my property taxes

What Josh does by having A&N and Happenings (at least for some of us), provides an INDESPENSIBLE SERVICE since the MSM and most local outlets disable comments or force you to use facebook so they can better cancel you.
They no likey when the constituency starts noticing things. And they hate it even more when we come together, compare notes, and complain.
They know damn well that being gay/lesbian, trooning, niggerdom, and illegals are all DEEPLY, DEEPLY unpopular, and frankly... on the WRONG SIDE of History. So they want to shut us all up.

So, FWIW, why not spend a minute or two acknowledging this?

Or don't. I still love ripping on troonz and Chantal.

Either way... THANK YOU, Josh, for what you do.


PS: Looking for a Kiwi Farms Positive?

Elizabeth Waite. It's wife and the raising of funds and provision of support.
While proving--with receipts--that Troonz Lifeline were thieves and emotionally cruel.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Cross posting for your enjoyment.



We got a number one victory royale
Yeah, dot net, you're 'bout to go down (Go down)
Girl talk, on the phone right now
Just wiped out their workaround
My friends just got clowned
Embezzled all the money, now we're surely jail-bound
Now we'll avenge the alpaca tranch
Look at the tree, I'm the broken branch

Take me to your HR for my complaint today
I can edit my own wiki page and my wife's a snake
I really love to stink ditch with you
We can be pro-censorship rapists

 

[JULAY]

I've thought of this too. That at the time was a really wholesome chungus moment. A great thing. We even got the "Null is a dull lol" meme out of it. Same thing with stopping the idea guys. Chris is just tainted, both after the Incest saga, and honestly when the trolls first found him. Most people would find bluespike catfishing chris and getting him to shove a clay medallion up his ass just a bit cruel to say the least. If we were to write anything on Chris, it would have to be the most cherrypicked article imaginable that railroads the reader the entire way so they don't learn about the rest. Very high risk.

To be fair, all the Bluespike shit happened years before this place even existed. Before the CWCki Forums (which became Kiwi Farms) existed, CWC discussion happened on his ED talk page, and when those fags finally got sick of it, we bounced around from one free forum hosting provider to another, which kept banning us for making fun of an autist, until Null and Champthom opened a dedicated forum to discuss Chris and his autistic antics.

That being said, I don't think any normie would make that distinction. It's probably best to avoid CWC entirely, because although we might understand that he's a less than sympathetic character, the average person would see "bullying an autistic transwoman" and immediately have a negative opinion. And that's exactly what the people who want to shut us down would lead with, because it's literally the first thing every article about the Farms says about this place.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I'm aware that Josh doesn't like A&N. Having said that, how about giving a platform/voice to those who come to the Farms to read the news.

A&N is tricky. Technically guests can't even see it. It's been purged several times. That said, it does provide a service. I just don't think it'd be very marketable. Whenever there's a crime, someone always says "guess the race". Thats a hard thing to sell, even if i massage the shit out of it writing wise

To be fair, all the Bluespike shit happened years before this place even existed. Before the CWCki Forums (which became Kiwi Farms) existed, CWC discussion happened on his ED talk page, and when those fags finally got sick of it, we bounced around from one free forum hosting provider to another, which kept banning us for making fun of an autist, until Null and Champthom opened a dedicated forum to discuss Chris and his autistic antics.

That being said, I don't think any normie would make that distinction. It's probably best to avoid CWC entirely, because although we might understand that he's a less than sympathetic character, the average person would see "bullying an autistic transwoman" and immediately have a negative opinion. And that's exactly what the people who want to shut us down would lead with, because it's literally the first thing every article about the Farms says about this place.

The part I bolded is my thoughts exactly. Wether or not we did it doesn't matter. Everyone thinks we did. And trying to tell them otherwise will just make them think we're lying, because that story is long and autistic.

And yes, i think its understated how the wider world views Chris. He is generally sympathetic. Autism is generally sympathized with. Even the legal system sees it that way- he's maced people, hit snyder with a car, fucked his mom, and yet here he is, living the good life, a free man. Talking about chris would be a nuclear landmine we would be wise to avoid